No Evidence Crew Survived -- Till When?

John Maxson wrote
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The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

The photo caption begins:

"Lower right-hand forward fuselage of the orbiter
Challenger ..."

Allegedly it was the *left-hand* forward fuselage which so
damagingly struck the water. My mind is open to heat, impact,
and crush damage at altitude. My book's conclusions (based
upon cause's different from NASA's) reopen the 'cabin' door.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

what's the link to those pictures please ?

Thanks

Lou


"Moe Blues" a écrit dans le message de
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In article , "John Maxson"
wrote:

From Jesse Moore's 4:15 pm press briefing on 1/28/86:

"I regret that I have to report that based on very
preliminary searches of the ocean where the
Challenger impacted this morning, these searches
have *not* [his emphasis] revealed *any* [my
emphasis] evidence that the crew of Challenger
survived."

Survived until when? Moore did not say! Did anyone ask?

Over four and one-half hours had elapsed since the main
blast at the time of Moore's delayed press briefing. Surface
searches had been conducted by helicopter, plane, and sea.

Surely the large floating pieces of forward fuselage had been
examined by then. If they had been considered evidence of
crew survival until ocean impact, it seems logical that Moore
would have (or should have) mentioned that. He did not!

Jesus wept! You really are an idiot, aren't you? Does it occur to you
that *CONTEXT* of the quoted statement is in reference to finding any
SURVIVING (as in still alive) shuttle crew? Nitwit!


The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

Yeah, I guess having several tons of LOX and liquid hydrogen detonate
mere feet away, then fall miles to the ocean should result in no damage
whatever.

And you wonder why nobody ever takes your comments seriously?

Moe


--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

Check these pages for several pictures of the remains of the orbiter :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_OV.htm
and
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...s_OV_part2.htm

This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm

This page for the remains of the External Tank :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_ET.htm


Lou







"John Maxson" a écrit dans le message de
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John Maxson wrote
in message ...

The tiles on those floating pieces certainly looked damaged
to me (in Av Week's excellent color photos), despite the fact
that they were designed to withstand very high heating.

The photo caption begins:

"Lower right-hand forward fuselage of the orbiter
Challenger ..."

Allegedly it was the *left-hand* forward fuselage which so
damagingly struck the water. My mind is open to heat, impact,
and crush damage at altitude. My book's conclusions (based
upon cause's different from NASA's) reopen the 'cabin' door.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

Well done! Good presentation technique, Lou.
Your site will go on my favorites list. Thanks!

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)



Lou Van Hille wrote
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Check these pages for several pictures of the remains of the orbiter :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_OV.htm
and

http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...peres_OV_part2.
htm

This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm

This page for the remains of the External Tank :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_ET.htm


Lou

"John Maxson" wrote in message
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Well done! Good presentation technique, Lou.
Your site will go on my favorites list. Thanks!

Lou Van Hille wrote
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This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :

http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm


On your favorites list? One of the pictures on this page shows a burned-out
hole in an SRB near the joint, and is labelled:

Le trou de la fuite

which altavista translates as

the hole of the escape.

"fuite" = "escape" but "fuite"=" leak" too

1) I did not make the site. It's a French site I found on the web and I find
the entire site quite impressive :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/
It's also one of my favorite and one of the most complete (and interesting)
fan-made site I've found

2) "Le trou de la fuite" would be translated by "the hole of the leak" (or
"the hole where the leak was"... or "the place in the SRB where the flame
made a hole though the metal" or however you would correctly say it in
english... Sorry for my grammar mistakes).


Lou




"RP Henry" richard.p.henry@saic dot com a écrit dans le message de
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"John Maxson" wrote in message
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Well done! Good presentation technique, Lou.
Your site will go on my favorites list. Thanks!

Lou Van Hille wrote
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This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :

http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm


On your favorites list? One of the pictures on this page shows a
burned-out
hole in an SRB near the joint, and is labelled:

Le trou de la fuite

which altavista translates as

the hole of the escape.

"Lou Van Hille" wrote in message
...
"fuite" = "escape" but "fuite"=" leak" too

1) I did not make the site. It's a French site I found on the web and I
find
the entire site quite impressive :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/
It's also one of my favorite and one of the most complete (and
interesting)
fan-made site I've found

2) "Le trou de la fuite" would be translated by "the hole of the leak" (or
"the hole where the leak was"... or "the place in the SRB where the flame
made a hole though the metal" or however you would correctly say it in
english... Sorry for my grammar mistakes).

You're doing just fine. I thought I knew what the French meant, but I
wanted an authoritative translation (clumsy as altavista's was).

Just a thank you to John and Lou. Great to see some quality posts in
here!

I wish I could contribute something to the discussion, but frankly
most of the events surrounding the Challenger explosion have always
seemed rather confusing to me. Time to kick back and learn.

Steve


In article , John Maxson wrote:
Well done! Good presentation technique, Lou.
Your site will go on my favorites list. Thanks!

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)



Lou Van Hille wrote
in message ...

Check these pages for several pictures of the remains of the orbiter :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_OV.htm
and

http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...peres_OV_part2.
htm

This page for the remains of the Solid Rocket Boosters :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...uperes_SRB.htm

This page for the remains of the External Tank :
http://www.capcomespace.net/shuttle/...cuperes_ET.htm


Lou