Venus for dummies (6.0) / Brad Guth (GuthVenus)

On 4/10/2012 9:42 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

Of any humanoids or other intelligent species that's capable of
surviving interstellar treks, at least technically should have no
problems with remaining stealthy or even capable of infiltrating and
mingle within any community of existing life-forms upon any given
planet they chose to study or even to populate and commercialize by
extracting valuable elements in order to suit their own needs.

I don't follow that reasoning at all. You're attempting to extrapolate
from some, ex hypothesi feasable, technology to the feasibility of any
other technology that might be useful.

Sylvia.

On Oct 8, 10:57*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 4/10/2012 9:42 AM, Brad Guth wrote:


Of any humanoids or other intelligent species that's capable of
surviving interstellar treks, at least technically should have no
problems with remaining stealthy or even capable of infiltrating and
mingle within any community of existing life-forms upon any given
planet they chose to study or even to populate and commercialize by
extracting valuable elements in order to suit their own needs.

I don't follow that reasoning at all. You're attempting to extrapolate
from some, ex hypothesi feasable, technology to the feasibility of any
other technology that might be useful.

Sylvia.

You seem to be okay with excluding and/or obfuscating known technology
that could be applied, not to mention what any truly interstellar
travel capable intelligence could muster for dealing with that hellish
surface environment of Venus or that of infiltrating our planet.

Secondly, according to others even of your very own kind, Venus wasn't
always as extremely hot, because our sun was originally a much cooler
star by at least -25%.

BTW; true science is always about extrapolations and otherwise it's
extensively a subjective methodology of trial and error on behalf of
figuring out or interpreting new stuff. Sorry if that's upsetting
you.

Are you suggesting, if we mange to get our species of humans onto
another planet or substantial moon that's already populated by complex
lifeforms, that some of us wouldn't bother to exploit that new world
in order to suit their own goals or hidden agendas?

On 10/10/2012 6:21 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:57 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 4/10/2012 9:42 AM, Brad Guth wrote:


Of any humanoids or other intelligent species that's capable of
surviving interstellar treks, at least technically should have no
problems with remaining stealthy or even capable of infiltrating and
mingle within any community of existing life-forms upon any given
planet they chose to study or even to populate and commercialize by
extracting valuable elements in order to suit their own needs.

I don't follow that reasoning at all. You're attempting to extrapolate
from some, ex hypothesi feasable, technology to the feasibility of any
other technology that might be useful.

Sylvia.

You seem to be okay with excluding and/or obfuscating known technology
that could be applied, not to mention what any truly interstellar
travel capable intelligence could muster for dealing with that hellish
surface environment of Venus or that of infiltrating our planet.

Secondly, according to others even of your very own kind, Venus wasn't
always as extremely hot, because our sun was originally a much cooler
star by at least -25%.

BTW; true science is always about extrapolations and otherwise it's
extensively a subjective methodology of trial and error on behalf of
figuring out or interpreting new stuff. Sorry if that's upsetting
you.

Are you suggesting, if we mange to get our species of humans onto
another planet or substantial moon that's already populated by complex
lifeforms, that some of us wouldn't bother to exploit that new world
in order to suit their own goals or hidden agendas?


None of which addresses the point that I raised.

Sylvia.

On Oct 9, 6:06*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 10/10/2012 6:21 AM, Brad Guth wrote:









On Oct 8, 10:57 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 4/10/2012 9:42 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

Of any humanoids or other intelligent species that's capable of
surviving interstellar treks, at least technically should have no
problems with remaining stealthy or even capable of infiltrating and
mingle within any community of existing life-forms upon any given
planet they chose to study or even to populate and commercialize by
extracting valuable elements in order to suit their own needs.

I don't follow that reasoning at all. You're attempting to extrapolate
from some, ex hypothesi feasable, technology to the feasibility of any
other technology that might be useful.

Sylvia.

You seem to be okay with excluding and/or obfuscating known technology
that could be applied, not to mention what any truly interstellar
travel capable intelligence could muster for dealing with that hellish
surface environment of Venus or that of infiltrating our planet.

Secondly, according to others even of your very own kind, Venus wasn't
always as extremely hot, because our sun was originally a much cooler
star by at least -25%.

BTW; true science is always about extrapolations and otherwise it's
extensively a subjective methodology of trial and error on behalf of
figuring out or interpreting new stuff. *Sorry if that's upsetting
you.

Are you suggesting, if we mange to get our species of humans onto
another planet or substantial moon that's already populated by complex
lifeforms, that some of us wouldn't bother to exploit that new world
in order to suit their own goals or hidden agendas?

None of which addresses the point that I raised.

Sylvia.

Not really, as over the past decade I've pointed out several
alternatives for accommodating advanced intelligence on that hellishly
hot surface (especially when accommodated within those rigid composite
airship-shuttles), with resources and energy to spare.

Are you suggesting that the best expertise and technology can't
possibly deal with whatever the planet Venus has to offer?

Are you also suggesting that Venus L2 isn't sufficiently cool and
highly desirable as an outpost/oasis gateway?

On 10/10/2012 12:51 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:06 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 10/10/2012 6:21 AM, Brad Guth wrote:









On Oct 8, 10:57 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 4/10/2012 9:42 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

Of any humanoids or other intelligent species that's capable of
surviving interstellar treks, at least technically should have no
problems with remaining stealthy or even capable of infiltrating and
mingle within any community of existing life-forms upon any given
planet they chose to study or even to populate and commercialize by
extracting valuable elements in order to suit their own needs.

I don't follow that reasoning at all. You're attempting to extrapolate
from some, ex hypothesi feasable, technology to the feasibility of any
other technology that might be useful.

Sylvia.

You seem to be okay with excluding and/or obfuscating known technology
that could be applied, not to mention what any truly interstellar
travel capable intelligence could muster for dealing with that hellish
surface environment of Venus or that of infiltrating our planet.

Secondly, according to others even of your very own kind, Venus wasn't
always as extremely hot, because our sun was originally a much cooler
star by at least -25%.

BTW; true science is always about extrapolations and otherwise it's
extensively a subjective methodology of trial and error on behalf of
figuring out or interpreting new stuff. Sorry if that's upsetting
you.

Are you suggesting, if we mange to get our species of humans onto
another planet or substantial moon that's already populated by complex
lifeforms, that some of us wouldn't bother to exploit that new world
in order to suit their own goals or hidden agendas?

None of which addresses the point that I raised.

Sylvia.

Not really, as over the past decade I've pointed out several
alternatives for accommodating advanced intelligence on that hellishly
hot surface (especially when accommodated within those rigid composite
airship-shuttles), with resources and energy to spare.

Are you suggesting that the best expertise and technology can't
possibly deal with whatever the planet Venus has to offer?

Are you also suggesting that Venus L2 isn't sufficiently cool and
highly desirable as an outpost/oasis gateway?


I'm not saying anything about Venus, or any other place in the Universe.
I'm raising doubts about your reasoning process.

Sylvia.

On Oct 9, 6:52*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 10/10/2012 12:51 PM, Brad Guth wrote:









On Oct 9, 6:06 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 10/10/2012 6:21 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:57 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 4/10/2012 9:42 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

Of any humanoids or other intelligent species that's capable of
surviving interstellar treks, at least technically should have no
problems with remaining stealthy or even capable of infiltrating and
mingle within any community of existing life-forms upon any given
planet they chose to study or even to populate and commercialize by
extracting valuable elements in order to suit their own needs.

I don't follow that reasoning at all. You're attempting to extrapolate
from some, ex hypothesi feasable, technology to the feasibility of any
other technology that might be useful.

Sylvia.

You seem to be okay with excluding and/or obfuscating known technology
that could be applied, not to mention what any truly interstellar
travel capable intelligence could muster for dealing with that hellish
surface environment of Venus or that of infiltrating our planet.

Secondly, according to others even of your very own kind, Venus wasn't
always as extremely hot, because our sun was originally a much cooler
star by at least -25%.

BTW; true science is always about extrapolations and otherwise it's
extensively a subjective methodology of trial and error on behalf of
figuring out or interpreting new stuff. *Sorry if that's upsetting
you.

Are you suggesting, if we mange to get our species of humans onto
another planet or substantial moon that's already populated by complex
lifeforms, that some of us wouldn't bother to exploit that new world
in order to suit their own goals or hidden agendas?

None of which addresses the point that I raised.

Sylvia.

Not really, as over the past decade I've pointed out several
alternatives for accommodating advanced intelligence on that hellishly
hot surface (especially when accommodated within those rigid composite
airship-shuttles), with resources and energy to spare.

Are you suggesting that the best expertise and technology can't
possibly deal with whatever the planet Venus has to offer?

Are you also suggesting that Venus L2 isn't sufficiently cool and
highly desirable as an outpost/oasis gateway?

I'm not saying anything about Venus, or any other place in the Universe.
I'm raising doubts about your reasoning process.

Sylvia.

My deductive reasoning, is that if you were capable of interplanetary
travel (not to mention interstellar capability), there's a pretty darn
good chance that you'll have the expertise and technology to fit in or
infiltrate almost anywhere.

For all I know, most of what is represented by GuthVenus is the result
of advanced robotics doing their thing.
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