Maybe Stephen Hawking has a point? (evil aliens)

This reminds me of Star Trek Voyager. All the aliens were either
hostile or like the Third Worlders on Earth; whining, self-
insufficient parasites with their hands out, demanding that Westerners
(Earthlings in Voyager) "owed" them something. In any case, before
man ventures into space in a big way (and the only way that will ever
happen is by building Project Orion) they should go heavily armed.

BBC:
Hawking warns over alien beings

Aliens almost certainly exist but humans should avoid making contact,
Professor Stephen Hawking has warned.

In a series for the Discovery Channel the renowned astrophysicist said
it was "perfectly rational" to assume intelligent life exists
elsewhere.

But he warned that aliens might simply raid Earth for resources, then
move on.

"If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed
in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans," he
said.

Prof Hawking thinks that, rather than actively trying to communicate
with extra-terrestrials, humans should do everything possible to avoid
contact.

He explained: "We only have to look at ourselves to see how
intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn't want to
meet."

On Apr 25, 7:54*pm, Rich wrote:
This reminds me of Star Trek Voyager. *All the aliens were either
hostile or like the Third Worlders on Earth; whining, self-
insufficient parasites with their hands out, demanding that Westerners
(Earthlings in Voyager) "owed" them something. *In any case, before
man ventures into space in a big way (and the only way that will ever
happen is by building Project Orion) they should go heavily armed.

BBC:
*Hawking warns over alien beings

Aliens almost certainly exist but humans should avoid making contact,
Professor Stephen Hawking has warned.

In a series for the Discovery Channel the renowned astrophysicist said
it was "perfectly rational" to assume intelligent life exists
elsewhere.

But he warned that aliens might simply raid Earth for resources, then
move on.

"If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed
in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans," he
said.

Prof Hawking thinks that, rather than actively trying to communicate
with extra-terrestrials, humans should do everything possible to avoid
contact.

He explained: "We only have to look at ourselves to see how
intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn't want to
meet."

I would like to think that our race has outgrown this 'time travel'
nonsense,a consequence of empiricists not understanding their own
system and especially what Isaac was commenting on in terms of
absolute/relative time -

"Absolute time, in astronomy, is distinguished from relative, by the
equation or correlation of the vulgar time. For the natural days are
truly unequal, though they are commonly considered as equal and used
for a measure of time;" Newton

Considering that Isaac built his predictions agenda on the Ra/Dec
system,it was no wonder that Mach expressed rage while not
understanding what is wrong with the system which uses 'sidereal
time' to express the Earth's planetary dynamics and subsequently how
the celestial arena and solar system is viewed -

"This absolute time can be measured by comparison with no motion; it
has therefore neither a practical nor a scientific value; and no one
is justified in saying that he knows aught about it. It is an idle
metaphysical conception." Mach, Analyse der Empfindungen, 6th ed.

There is no use expressing surprise any longer at the complete
disinterest is discovering exactly what is what,as far as I can
tell,empiricists mine Newton's distortions while paying no attention
to how it stacks up against actual astronomical principles ,in this
case,the references for timekeeping averages.Over 100 years ago,Mach
was good enough to come close but not good enough to put Isaac's view
in context of actual astronomical descriptions in the difference
between natural noon and 24 hour noon and since the emergence of that
'time travel' junk in the early 20th century,nobody else has come
close to asking where this junk is coming from.

Many of the millions of viewers looking in on that program will hardly
know what is behind all these absolute/relative time,space and motion
things whereas many here now know exactly what they are ,the ironic
thing being that in fighting for Newton's hypothetical observer on the
Sun/absolute space to resolve retrogrades,they contend with the
exotic early 20th century concepts directly and in doing so find
themselves in the middle of a contradiction.The readers of
sci.astro.amateur have a better understanding of the empirical
approach to astronomy than any other group on the planet,not just the
ins and outs as to how our race came to believe in 'time travel' but
what was lost in the process and what gridlock exists to maintain the
predictions/modelling agendas of empiricism.

On Apr 26, 5:43*am, oriel36 wrote

I would like to think that our race has outgrown this 'time travel'
nonsense...

I don't see where Hawking said anything about time travel, so why are
you bringing it up?

Any old excuse to hijack yet another innocent thread, right?

\Paul A

On Apr 26, 8:53*am, palsing wrote:
On Apr 26, 5:43*am, oriel36 wrote

I would like to think that our race has outgrown this 'time travel'
nonsense...

I don't see where Hawking said anything about time travel, so why are
you bringing it up?

Any old excuse to hijack yet another innocent thread, right?

\Paul A


Yeah Birdman of Ethernet is a thread molester and should register as
such.

btw- doesn't anybody ever rememebr the old film w/ the phrase "Keep
watching the skies!", ?


berk

TBerk wrote:
On Apr 26, 8:53 am, palsing wrote:
On Apr 26, 5:43 am, oriel36 wrote

I would like to think that our race has outgrown this 'time travel'
nonsense...
I don't see where Hawking said anything about time travel, so why are
you bringing it up?

Any old excuse to hijack yet another innocent thread, right?

\Paul A


Yeah Birdman of Ethernet is a thread molester and should register as
such.

btw- doesn't anybody ever rememebr the old film w/ the phrase "Keep
watching the skies!", ?


berk


Bad advice, you get a crick in your neck.

I wonder if it would be remotely possible to have a single intelligent
discussion on the OPs post? If intelligent life exists on earth it
certainly can't be found here amongst the regular posters.

If an intelligent, technological race exists one must assume they have
followed our own very recent history. Which suggests machines, then
AI, then useful robots which provides all the free labour they need.
This rules out the need for mass invasion to secure (stroppy) slaves.
With countless cheap robots, they have no need of large numbers of
idiots doing menial tasks. The security issues of keeping these slaves
fed and doing anything useful easily outweighs the gain from free
labour. It is a nonsense story based on our own tragic history.

My belief is that intelligent races exists quite close by but cannot
contact us for moral and (our) health reasons. The arrival of an
intelligent race would immediately undermine our self confidence and
our slow advance towards equality and respect for human rights.
Religion, which is one of the essential safety valves and correction
modes, for our present gross inequalities would collapse overnight.
Still centuries away, at present progress, I still see a flat
hierarchy as the inevitable goal of any intelligent species. Do not
assume that the idiot sitting in the big office is any better than a
fortuitous, self-seeking psychopath.

"They" would also need to inoculate all of us ( and all the other
creatures of our world) to ensure our survival when subjected to
viruses to which we have had no previous exposure. No doubt they could
protect themselves if they are sufficiently advanced in immunisation
but it would not help us at all. A pandemic of their more own Measles
or 'Flu could sterilise an entire planet of existing life. Even the
arrival of foreign fungi or microscopic contaminants could spread
through our oceans making them worthless for life, or travel.

We view aliens through the filters of our own history which has cross-
contaminated our literature and entertainment industry. Our
parochialism is our downfall in being able to judge the motives for
the lack of open contact. They may be much better judges of what is
best for us (i.e. isolation) than we are ourselves. An unforeseen
breakthrough in AI or robotics could change our global viewpoints and
opinions beyond recognition almost overnight. We have the completely
unforeseen Internet yet it is still being used like any other
commodity in a global market. And, like all commodities is still being
denied or filtered to many at the whim of those still stuck in the
12th century and beyond.

Going on present form, those in charge of our affairs are more alien
than any creature circling our earth under the cloak of invisibility
to protect us from global revolution. Given sufficient experience in
contacting other worlds I imagine they have discovered that the
dominant species needs to sort out its own affairs before open contact
is remotely possible. Who knows? We may still be considered the
aggressive retards of the Milky Way? Perhaps we were put here in our
an inescapable prison until we learn the lesson which put us here in
the first place.

Cue Oriel and his doting acolytes? Or can we actually have have an
intelligent conversation without such irrelevancies dragging us back
to the showers, with bared teeth and sharpened combs in B Block?

The real truth about the human race and alien contact is that as a
race we hate the truth. The truth of how we actually treat each other
is a daily reminder of our own greed, selfishness and
acquisitiveness. We are brought up to close our eyes to the misery we
cause each other. It can be seen in the behaviour of any group of
children. Exclude anything which which is even slightly different is
written, indelibly, in our DNA. Our behaviour had value in the distant
past. Now we use it to further our economic survival in a world which
no longer needs us. Or our psychopathic behaviours. Survival is no
longer the issue for the human race. We can do that with both hands
tied behind our back. We only need to look at the mess we have made of
our nest. When will we fly? When we are, finally, ready. But not yet.
Not by a long shot.

vonKevin wrote:

There is no reason to automatically presume any potential alien life
we might someday contact will be hostile.

There is equally no reason to automatically presume it will NOT be
hostile.

If the unlucky *******s land in the great state of Aryan Zona they
won't get a chance to explain their intentions.

Davoud

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

In article , Davoud wrote:
vonKevin wrote:

There is no reason to automatically presume any potential alien life
we might someday contact will be hostile.

There is equally no reason to automatically presume it will NOT be
hostile.

And even if they have the best of intentions that may not mean they
are not dangerous to us.

Even if the Spaniards had visited the New World with the best of
intentions, say their goals were peaceful trade and missionary
activities. It wouldn't have helped much for the Indians. The diseases
would still have taken their toll.

If the unlucky *******s land in the great state of Aryan Zona they
won't get a chance to explain their intentions.

You assume that our weapons can do them much harm. OK, the the
thermonuclear weapons will probably work. But apart from that,
remember the battles of Omdurman and Fish River.

-- mrr

On Apr 27, 4:42 pm, Davoud wrote:
vonKevin wrote:
There is no reason to automatically presume any potential alien life
we might someday contact will be hostile.

There is equally no reason to automatically presume it will NOT be
hostile.

If the unlucky *******s land in the great state of Aryan Zona they
won't get a chance to explain their intentions.

Davoud

Maybe instead of casting aspersions on the Great State of Arizona, you
should broaden your narrow viewpoint and get your facts straight:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14632

Arizona authorities will deal with carloads of illegal Norwegian
immigrants too (if they ever encounter any such vehicles.)

On Apr 25, 1:54*pm, Rich wrote:
This reminds me of Star Trek Voyager. *All the aliens were either
hostile or like the Third Worlders on Earth; whining, self-
insufficient parasites with their hands out, demanding that Westerners
(Earthlings in Voyager) "owed" them something. *In any case, before
man ventures into space in a big way (and the only way that will ever
happen is by building Project Orion) they should go heavily armed.

So Rich are you promising us that you will stop cashing your welfare
checks?