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The General Accounting Office (GAO) has released a report of the costs
of Shuttle Operations. I have taken this from the 2009 figures - there were five flights, cost per flight was $596.34 million each. With a 24.4 metric ton payload this is a cost of $24.44 million per metric ton. Where would a commercial entity cut costs? Total Space Shuttle: $2,981.7 million Flight and Ground Operations: $1,031.2 million Launch & Landing: $705.5 Landing Operations $ 4.0 Mission Operations: $236.5 Flight Crew Operations: $87.6 Space & Life Sciences: $12.6 Transition: $2.0 Flight Hardwa $1,460.9 million Orbiter: $459.1 EVA: 0.2 ET: $253.6 RSRM: $301.6 SSME: $193.8 SRB: $ 154.1 SSC Test: $30.0 Transition: $85.8 Program Integration: $489.6 million System Engineering & Integration: $74.0 Safety and Mission Assurance: $54.8 Flight Softwa $100.9 Flight Operations & Integration: $54.8 Space Shuttle Propulsion Systems Integration: $16.6 Construction of Facilities: - Safety & Sustainability: - Mission Directorate Support: $12.2 Contract Administration: $25.5 Closed Accounts: $1.0 Transition: $1.5 Severance: $40.3 Here are some courses that introduce core costing concepts and apply them to aerospace systems; 6.83J Space Systems Engineering ______ Undergrad (Spring) (Same subject as 12.43J) Prereq: Permission of department Units: 3-3-6 Add to schedule Lectu T3-5 (35-225) Lab: F1-3 (35-225) ______ Design of a complete space system, including systems analysis, trajectory analysis, entry dynamics, propulsion and power systems, structural design, avionics, thermal and environmental control, human factors, support systems, and weight and cost estimates. Students participate in teams, each responsible for an integrated vehicle design, providing experience in project organization and interaction between disciplines. Includes several aspects of team communication including three formal presentations, informal progress reports, colleague assessments, and written reports. Every other year, 16.83 is the first term in the three-term capstone subject, followed by 16.831 and 16.832. Can be taken alone. D. L. Miller, S. Seager 16.866J Cost Estimation and Measurement Systems ______ Graduate (Fall) H-Level Grad Credit (Same subject as ESD.361J) Prereq: ESD.301 or a basic understanding of statistics and permission of instructor Units: 3-0-6 ______ Focuses on principals of cost estimation and measurement systems with specific emphasis on parametric models. Theories from the fields of hardware, software, systems engineering, Systems of Systems, and enterprise science will be applied to a variety of contexts (i.e., aerospace, IT, manufacturing). Material is divided into five major sections: cost estimation fundamentals, parametric model development calibration, economic principles, measurement systems, and government/ policy issues. R. Valerdi To design and build a rocket system from scratch costs between $5 million and $30 million per metric ton. Which is pretty much the cost of what it takes to put something on orbit. In a nutshell, what you do is figure out what the total structural fraction is - how many tons - for a given vehicle - and then multiply it by the estimated range of numbers from $5 to $30 million based on a number of factors (maturity of the technology, overall size of the system, overall production volume, etc.) Different systems have different costs as well. Tankage, engine, empennage, etc. One way to reduce cost is to build commodity items - like MEMS rocket arrays - and standardize on them to achieve missions. You can see the Shuttle doesn't do this. In fact, there is a resistance to do this since it adversely impacts the standing army of men and women that work to keep the Shuttle flying. This paper describes what might be possible; http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/CDReadyM...V2005_3650.pdf At 50 pounds per square inch and $10 per square inch for MEMS rockets, and 1,000 to 1 thrust to weight - A metric ton of lift costs $440 and the device itself weighs only 2.2 pounds! It is also highly efficient, reliable, controllable, and so forth. I have developed a technique to use HDTV control methodology to control the direction as well as the amount of thrust a 'propulsive surface' produces http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXwctPXT4c WIth this sort of performance (and appropriate attention paid to MEMS based and Micro-based pumps and piping) structural fractions as low as 5% are obtained. A 1,000 ton engine set forms a disk that spans 7 meters (22 ft) and lifts 720 tons take off weight vehicle that weighs 40 tons empty. The cost of the vehicle at $10 million per ton is $400 million. Reused 1,000 times costs pe rlaunch is $400,000, 680 tons at $100 per ton for cryogens is another $68,000 - operating costs less than $500,000 - total cost less than $1 million per launch. $1 billion for 1,000 launches - including vehicle purchase. The payload is 59.79 tons using hyrogen oxygen - more than double the space shuttle. The vehicle comes back and lands under rocket power like the DC-X making good use of the MEMS technology. Five vehicles would put nearly 300,000 tons into orbit over 1,000 launches for less than $5 billion. Even in large scale production the payload itself would cost $5 million per kg. So, each launch would cost $30 million on that basis. A fleet of five vehicles launched one every other day would produce 15 launches per month and have a 10 day turn-around per vehicle. Total cost $465 million per month - the same cost as a single space shuttle launch. |
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:03:28 -0800 (PST), William Mook
wrote: The General Accounting Office (GAO) has released a report of the costs of Shuttle Operations. I have taken this from the 2009 figures - there were five flights, cost per flight was $596.34 million each. With a 24.4 metric ton payload this is a cost of $24.44 million per metric ton. Where would a commercial entity cut costs? Total Space Shuttle: $2,981.7 million You probably need to add the "Space and Flight Support" part of the Space Operations budget, too, although how to divide that between Shuttle and ISS is a problem. Brian |
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On 17 Feb, 23:03, William Mook wrote:
The General Accounting Office (GAO) has released a report of the costs of Shuttle Operations. *I have taken this from the 2009 figures - there were five flights, cost per flight was $596.34 million each. With a 24.4 metric ton payload this is a cost of $24.44 million per metric ton. *Where would a commercial entity cut costs? very interesting post about the "commercial cargo" to ISS, the calculation of its price-per- ton is very easy... COTS funds paid by NASA: $500M COTS funds paid by investors: $500M COTS extra-funds from 2011: $300M SpaceX+Orbital CRS program: $3500M TOTAL funds for R&D and ISS services: $4800M TOTAL cargo delivered to the ISS by COTS/CRS contractors: 40 tons price-per-ton of cargo carried to the ISS by SpaceX and Orbital: $4800M / 40 tons = $120M per ton that's about four-five times the price of the Space Shuttle also, the Shuttle carries 6-7 astronauts to the ISS at every flight, that, in "Soyuz seats costs" is a money saving around $300-350M for each Shuttle flight so, if we consider the saving in "Soyuz seats", the real price-per-ton of each Shuttle flight's cargo is LESS than HALF the (already low) costs calculated above... everything as already explained in this article: http://www.ghostnasa.com/posts2/061comparison.html .. |
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I give up....
Tell you what 'G' why don't you start a program for private investors to take over operation of the shuttle if it's such a bargain? Dave |
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On Feb 18, 8:40*pm, David Spain wrote:
I give up.... Tell you what 'G' why don't you start a program for private investors to take over operation of the shuttle if it's such a bargain? Dave Sorry, but that's strictly reserved for William Mook and myself, although I'd have no problems with the gaetanomarano think-tank and its subsequent R&D responsibilities. My primary job would pertain to tranquillizing Mook from time to time, plus having a commercial stun- gun handy whenever Mook is allowed to be active. ~ BG |
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On Feb 18, 11:40*pm, David Spain wrote:
I give up.... Tell you what 'G' why don't you start a program for private investors to take over operation of the shuttle if it's such a bargain? Dave If you look at Boeing and Lockheed 10K and 10Q you can see that their space operations are money losers while their primary actvities - of building aircraft and missile systems - are money makers. So, if you buy Boeing, split off the space operations from the commercial aircraft operations, and sell the commercial aircraft operations - you can actually make about $8 billion. If you had a commercial use for the space faring component, this would be a way to get it funded. The simplest approach would be to build a network of satellites in polar orbit that created a global wireless hotspot, that made $80 billion or more in revenue each year. Then, power sats. Then, asteroid capture. and so forth. |
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