Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020

Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...,1252176.story
Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point.
But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

" But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things
that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other
that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new
manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd even
settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of Weightlessness
and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central
East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents
Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges".

On Jan 27, 7:02�pm, "Val Kraut" wrote:
" But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things
that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other
that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new
manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, �I'd even
settle for something like "A Determination of �the Effect of Weightlessness
and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central
East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents
Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges".

good luck ISS has just been a example of how NOT to run a program.

Science? Thats dead last after pork spending

"Val Kraut" wrote in message
...

" But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things
that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other
that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new
manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd
even settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of
Weightlessness and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the
Sub-Sahara Central East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of
Atmospheric Constituents Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited
Toilet Priviledges".

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...xpedition.html

Start here.

The problem with most science is "it's boring." That's why people don't
hear much about it.

Don't see ant Tse-Tse flies though.






--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
Start here.

The problem with most science is "it's boring." That's why people don't
hear much about it.

Don't see ant Tse-Tse flies though.

And no follow-up on the Shuttle's groundbreaking work regarding the
effects of weightlessness on a inanimate carbon rod.

Pat

"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote:

"Val Kraut" wrote in message
...

" But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things
that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other
that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new
manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd
even settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of
Weightlessness and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the
Sub-Sahara Central East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of
Atmospheric Constituents Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited
Toilet Priviledges".

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...xpedition.html

Start here.

The problem with most science is "it's boring." That's why people don't
hear much about it.

It's not so much that, but rather that if the science isn't exciting
the people don't think it's science. Decades of edutainment have done
that for us.

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

In article ,
Derek Lyons wrote:

It's not so much that, but rather that if the science isn't exciting
the people don't think it's science. Decades of edutainment have done
that for us.

The Station Science page is poorly executed and yes, it completely fails to capture
the attention of fellow scientists from related fields, let alone the general public's
attention.

If you would like to see a good example of communicating science to the taxpaying public,
look he

http://kb.psi-structuralgenomics.org/

and he

http://www.pdb.org/

When I look at the Station Science page, I would expect to be able to see a photograph
describing the experiment, an experimental result for completed missions, perhaps
a photograph of the experiment _in situ_ at ISS, and optimally, a brief video from
someone at NASA or the experimental group explaining why I should care about this
experiment.

If there is such a page describing station science, I'd love to be directed to it.


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On Feb 13, 2:21*pm, (Craig Bingman) wrote:
In article ,

Derek Lyons wrote:
It's not so much that, but rather that if the science isn't exciting
the people don't think it's science. *Decades of edutainment have done
that for us.

The Station Science page is poorly executed and yes, it completely fails to capture
the attention of fellow scientists from related fields, let alone the general public's
attention. *

If you would like to see a good example of communicating science to the taxpaying public,
look he

http://kb.psi-structuralgenomics.org/

and he

http://www.pdb.org/

When I look at the Station Science page, I would expect to be able to see a photograph
describing the experiment, an experimental result for completed missions, perhaps
a photograph of the experiment _in situ_ at ISS, and optimally, a brief video from
someone at NASA or the experimental group explaining why I should care about this
experiment.

If there is such a page describing station science, I'd love to be directed to it. *

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The closest thing to the science page you're looking for is:

http://ryushin018.files.wordpress.co...the_worlds.jpg

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:02:01 -0500, "Val Kraut"
wrote:

Somewhat off topic - but I would really like to see a list of the things
that have been done on the ISS to date that justify it's existance, other
that fixing toilets in weightlessness, Things like new miracle drugs, new
manufacturing techniques, advances in chemistry and physics, Hell, I'd even
settle for something like "A Determination of the Effect of Weightlessness
and Low Atmospheric Pressure on the Mating Rituals of the Sub-Sahara Central
East African Tse Tse Fly While in the Presence of Atmospheric Constituents
Associated with Mid-Sized Primates with Limited Toilet Priviledges".

Keep in mind, ISS isn't finished. It didn't get its full-fledged
laboratories until 2008 (Destiny was there earlier, but it was used
mostly for command and control) didn't complete its power grid to run
them at 100% until last spring, and didn't get a full crew of six that
provided time for significant scientific work until last summer. So it
shouldn't come as a surprise that major advances and miracle drugs
have not yet appeared.

Except that, maybe one has: a vaccine for salmonella.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/0...a-vaccine.html

So if ISS has generated a vaccine for an illness that sickens millions
and kills thousands ever year, and did that before it was even fully
operational, then maybe it deserves more time and funding to do its
job.

But as Greg says, the ISS is a laboratory, and the vast majority of
laboratory work is mundane, seldom making headlines. Breakthroughs
come after years or decades of such work. ISS critics demand the
breakthroughs, but don't want to pay for the mundane work.

Brian

In article ,
Brian Thorn wrote:

Except that, maybe one has: a vaccine for salmonella.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/0...a-vaccine.html

Maybe, but it is unclear to me what part of the putative vaccine development
was actually made possible by the microgravity experiments.

Just because a group did work on (A) the effect of microgravity on bacterial
virulence and the same group is (B) doing work on a vaccine does not mean that
A led to B.

It is a bit of a stretch, based on what I know about the molecular mechanisms
of bacterial virulence, but I would love to be mistaken.
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