The Ping-Pong Ball and The Sun / S D Rodrian

"Aardvark" wrote in message
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Once the ping-pong ball reaches the center
of the Sun it will achieve gravity equilibrium
and lie forever suspended there (at the exact
center of a great hollow).

Conclusions from the above
thought experiment:

There is either a huge cavity at the center
of the Sun, or certainly a cavernous region
therein where there isn't as much Sun-
matter as there must be surrounding it.

Rather than a cavity, the region is one of zero gravity!

According to the current laws of gravity.

However, current theory says that the center
of the Sun (of every star) is the place where
the greatest amount of pressure exists. In
fact: It is at the center of every star that the
fusion that keeps a star "going" is taking
place--exactly because this is the region of
the highest amount of gravitational pressures!

The pressure assures that nucleii are closest to one anotther there. Fusion
could be self-regulating... If it gets too hot, the core expands, moderation
occurs and the fusion slows, etc. No thermostat required.

These are two self-excluding viewpoints:

The vacuum concept is the one that does not occur, per se. In its place is
the Zero gravity field, which allows for mixing with no gradients
interfereing, an intersting cauldron.

Or fusion DOES indeed take place
at the center of the stars because the center
of every star is its region of maximun
pressure--and therefore the effect of
gravity is "somehow" negated/voided
inside the stars. *

My recollection og vraity theoryin bodies is as you say maximum at the
durface and dcreases linearly into the core center

Which is it? SEE:

http://physics.sdrodrian.com

Very long winded. I never got to any core punch line.

Back to cores. We have a similar dilemma with the core of our earth. We feel
pretty ceertai n that there is a lot of iron down there, but the
distribution of that, and ligher, and havier substances is still
undtetermined by our collective scientific society. Trouble is that if we
(they) know very little about it, then Mim's the word, and nothing gets
done.

Continuing on that thought experiment, It seems that gradients and
stratification is for the mid and upper levels, but not for the lower levels
toward the center. So all heavy atoms are down there, mixed in a soup. Radon
gas is the only tracer from those environs besides heat and magma (the light
stuff) This indicates residual decaay. Originally, I was of the opinion tha
there is a farly large dose of heavier atoms that are still on their decay
curve from original earth coalescence. This seems seems unhandy from the
standpoint that because of the mesured age of the earth (hundreds of
millions of years), it's incredible that any decay tails at all are still
meaningful. But it is a long way from a nuclear exposion to just some melted
iron. Has anyone made the calculation? The only other option is that there
are daisy chain reactions in play; where "This" begets "That", and now
"That" has a new lease on life. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Angelo Campanella

All right now, I knew this is where I'd
eventually end up: Listen up! Once there
was a toy maker named Geppetto ...

and his life was so legnosita (woody)



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On Nov 21, 12:29 am, "Angelo Campanella"
wrote:
Rather than a cavity, the region is
one of zero gravity!

Sorry: The region (core) is one of the MOST/
THE HIGHEST pressure of all--My point, rather,
is that according to the laws of gravity THIS
SHOULD NOT BE. And yet it is. Did you miss this?

The vacuum concept is the one that
does not occur, per se. In its place is
the Zero gravity field, which allows for
mixing with no gradients
interfereing, an intersting cauldron.

Well, if you can explain how the hydrogen
atoms are PRESSED closed enough together
to knock them into a fusion reaction... WITHOUT
any gravitational intervention: THAT would
certainly be something worth listening to!

Which is it? SEE:

http://physics.sdrodrian.com

Very long winded. I never got to
any core punch line.

This is the history of people who do
not know and probably will never know:
You simply are not interested enough to
pursue the hard road to where the answer IS.

I'll write it he Gravity does not exist.
There is NO such thing as "gravity" (e.g.
gravitons, gravity waves, or anything like).
Now go read the complete solution at:

http://physics.sdrodrian.com

The universe (and stars, the Sun) does
not work by gravity--what has been
described as gravity). Nor is it the result
of a primordial infinitely dense atom
exploding (a Big Bang) where the 4 forces
were one or any such nonsense (hell,
even the people who propose this will
instantly turn around and tell you in the
very next breath that gravity is not really
a force: "It is a timespace fabric" upon
which marbles and balls roll around...
bending the fabric Einstein knitted to
replace the ether idea he himself had
torn to shreds (replaced, really, as you
can see). BECAUSE it is impossible to
defend the existence of the "force" of
gravity. Please ask these people how
gravity ceased to be a force immediately
after the Big Bang and became an ether.

And it all goes back to HOW the universe
came to be formed in the first place: In
its simplest sense, think of it as an area
in "the primordial voids" of lesser pressure
into which the surrounding greater pressures
rushed--And there was created our universe.

That "rush" of everything towards center(s)
is still going on (but ever faster and faster
because of the conservation of angular
momentum one sees when something/anything
spinning suddenly occupies a smaller area).
This is essentially what has been going on in
the universe all along... and eventually creates
a universe of hydrogen atoms which eventually
becomes a universe of black holes and then--?

Since the universe is rather ancient now and
it is ever-accelerating, its "speed" now must
be horrifically fast--Why don't we notice it?
We do, in the speed of light. But this hints
at an even profounder human condition: Our
lives, which appear to be so protracted, are
really unimaginably instantaneous (which
give us the sensation of a universe just
hanging around, chilling as it were, because
our every thoughts are so fleeting): Our
lives are a blink, we just don't see it.

Life, as we know it, can only exist in the
universe in transition from hydrogen atoms
to black holes. So take time to understand
things now, because there will never exist
understanding ever again.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3.sdrodrian.com


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On Nov 29, 6:06*pm, Aardvark wrote:

Sorry: The region (core) is one of the MOST/
THE HIGHEST pressure of all--My point, rather,
is that according to the laws of gravity THIS
SHOULD NOT BE. And yet it is. Did you miss this?

I think I explained this to you in another thread.

Yes, the gravity is zero at the center. But pressure is transmitted
through fluids by pushing on them - this is why hydraulic brakes on
your car work. Your foot is only on the brake pedal - it isn't in side
the brake drum on the car, and yet there is pressure there! Because
while the push by your foot was at the pedal, the pressure was carried
along by the brake fluid.

So the gravity on the outer part of the Sun creates pressure from that
outer part wanting to fall down - and the next inner part wants to
fall down too, pulled by the weaker gravity there, and so on - and
since down is the direction of all the pushing, all the pressure adds
up to the full total at the center.

John Savard

On Nov 29, 9:48*pm, Quadibloc wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:06*pm, Aardvark wrote:

Sorry: The region (core) is one of the MOST/
THE HIGHEST pressure of all--My point, rather,
is that according to the laws of gravity THIS
SHOULD NOT BE. And yet it is. Did you miss this?

I think I explained this to you in another thread.

Yes, the gravity is zero at the center. But pressure is transmitted
through fluids by pushing on them - this is why hydraulic brakes on
your car work. Your foot is only on the brake pedal - it isn't in side
the brake drum on the car, and yet there is pressure there! Because
while the push by your foot was at the pedal, the pressure was carried
along by the brake fluid.

So the gravity on the outer part of the Sun creates pressure from that
outer part wanting to fall down - and the next inner part wants to
fall down too, pulled by the weaker gravity there, and so on - and
since down is the direction of all the pushing, all the pressure adds
up to the full total at the center.

John Savard

The first step in understanding
is to get down off your tree.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com

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On 2009-11-30, Aardvark wrote:

The first step in understanding
is to get down off your tree.

the phrase you want is "out of your tree"

On Dec 4, 6:16*am, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2009-11-30, Aardvark wrote:



The first step in understanding
is to get down off your tree.

the phrase you want is "out of your tree"

No ... I'm pretty sure I'm a monkey
not a termite. But I'll bite.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com




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In article a147dcab-bf27-4bd4-b539-acc18343e368
@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, says...
On Nov 21, 12:29 am, "Angelo Campanella"
wrote:
Rather than a cavity, the region is
one of zero gravity!

Sorry: The region (core) is one of the MOST/
THE HIGHEST pressure of all--My point, rather,
is that according to the laws of gravity THIS
SHOULD NOT BE. And yet it is. Did you miss this?

But when you add in the equally applicable laws of thermodynamics and
hydraulics, you see that it SHOULD BE, and IS.

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