OT heartbreak

The following was forwarded to me by my son-in-law and as a dad and
grandfather I cannot help myself I am forwarding this every way I
can...please take a little time to help make this brave young girls wish
come true beyond even her dream....David




Riley Philpot is a 9 year old little girl who has been battling a rare form
of cancer since she was 6. Her cancer has returned and she is currently in
the hospital. Make A Wish Foundation was contacted and Riley's wish was not
a trip to Disney World. It is to have the mailman dump a bag of "a million"
Get Well cards at her door when she returns!! Please take the time to send
a Get Well card to Riley. Thank you so much! You do not have to know this
little girl to make this wish come true. If this was your child, and a
simple wish like this was asked, a stamp is not much. I hope that you smile
as you drop it in the mail. Please forward this to anyone who you think
will help this dream come true. I do not know when she will return from the
hospital, but let's attempt to have your card in the mail by October 16th.



Here is her name and address:

Riley Philpot

206 Slaney Loop Road

Winterville, NC 28590



And please keep her in your prayers as well.

David Staup wrote:

Riley Philpot is a 9 year old little girl who has been battling a rare form
of cancer...

This is indeed tragic. My heart goes out to her and her family.

And please keep her in your prayers as well...

I would caution against praying for Riley. God is already angry at
little Riley or is getting at a family member through her. If God cared
about little Riley she wouldn't be in the tragic situation she's in.
Better to let medical science and its practitioners do what they can
and not bring oneself to God's attention because he might decide to
punish anyone who appeals to him to help Riley. He has a long history
of punishing innocents when others have broken his arbitrary rules, and
for all we know he has a rule that says no one may pray for little
Riley.

He works in _very_ strange ways, does He not?

Davoud

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You liberal atheistic scum. Figures you would come in here with your
predictable response, you low life. Just because you don't get His word
doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. IF you read a little more
between the lines, you'd discover that YOU are one of the reasons why this
girl and other people suffer. Atheism is a huge sin and no doubt only aids
in wrecking innocent lives and causing massive afflications. At least I
*know* where she's going if/ when the time comes, but of course you don't.
You can't ever keep your mouth shut for once, can you David (I won't
misspell your name to satisfy your perverted whim).

lou

"Davoud" wrote in message
...
David Staup wrote:

Riley Philpot is a 9 year old little girl who has been battling a rare
form
of cancer...

This is indeed tragic. My heart goes out to her and her family.

And please keep her in your prayers as well...

I would caution against praying for Riley. God is already angry at
little Riley or is getting at a family member through her. If God cared
about little Riley she wouldn't be in the tragic situation she's in.
Better to let medical science and its practitioners do what they can
and not bring oneself to God's attention because he might decide to
punish anyone who appeals to him to help Riley. He has a long history
of punishing innocents when others have broken his arbitrary rules, and
for all we know he has a rule that says no one may pray for little
Riley.

He works in _very_ strange ways, does He not?

Davoud

--
I agree with everything that you have said and everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

"Davoud" wrote in message
...
David Staup wrote:

Riley Philpot is a 9 year old little girl who has been battling a rare
form
of cancer...

This is indeed tragic. My heart goes out to her and her family.

And please keep her in your prayers as well...

I would caution against praying for Riley. God is already angry at
little Riley or is getting at a family member through her.

He works in _very_ strange ways, does He not?


Not sure what you are saying - in summary is it one of these?
a) you believe in God, but think he/it is evil
b) you think that the rational response of people who believe in God should
be as 'a)'
c) you don't believe in God but think you know better than people who do
d) you think you know what people who believe in the power of prayer believe
in even though you don't believe in the things that they believe; and,
because you believe they believe in the things you believe they believe (but
you don't yourself believe in them) they are mistaken.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:42:41 +0100, "OG"
wrote:

Not sure what you are saying - in summary is it one of these?
a) you believe in God, but think he/it is evil

I believe he is simply pointing out the logical conclusion that if you
believe some god responds to prayers by helping children, such a god is
intrinsically evil for placing the child in such a bad condition in the
first place.

b) you think that the rational response of people who believe in God should
be as 'a)'

Rational people don't believe in gods. Or perhaps it would be better to
say that a belief in gods is inherently irrational, so a person who
believes in a god has, at the very least, a big hole in their overall
degree of rationality.

c) you don't believe in God but think you know better than people who do

Anybody who doesn't believe in a god is operating on far more
intellectually stable ground than anybody who does.

d) you think you know what people who believe in the power of prayer believe
in even though you don't believe in the things that they believe; and,
because you believe they believe in the things you believe they believe (but
you don't yourself believe in them) they are mistaken.

It's not a matter of belief. The power of prayer- at least in medical
matters- has been scientifically demonstrated to be non-existent.
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
[snip]

Rational people don't believe in gods.

On the very contrary, Chris: It is _precisely_ the rational people who might end
up believing in God.

I'd say with very much certainty, that the more science one has done, the closer
one gets to God. In the end, the mind completely boggles with the wonders that
are out there. It's just too much to be explained by any _single_ human
endeavor, scientific or otherwise.

One either sees Him or not. The distinction is as clear as the light of day.
Atheists for example are as much convinced that there is no God, as much as
theists are convinced that He exists. But, if He has decided that you (or anyone
else) should not see, then I don't think it is wise for anyone to try to
convince anyone otherwise.

I am content with the atheist, as much as I am with the theist, because it is
fairly obvious that both are a different face of Him. You are as much one side
of Him as any theist is.

In the end what matters is for us to come to terms with this divine variety and
perhaps, even enjoy it :-)

[snip]

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Ioannis

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:33:55 +0300, "I.N. Galidakis"
wrote:

On the very contrary, Chris: It is _precisely_ the rational people who might end
up believing in God.

I'd say with very much certainty, that the more science one has done, the closer
one gets to God. In the end, the mind completely boggles with the wonders that
are out there. It's just too much to be explained by any _single_ human
endeavor, scientific or otherwise.

I am excited and amazed by nature, but my mind never boggles. And I've
seen nothing that seems unable to be explained by human analysis.

One either sees Him or not.

Why not "them"?
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"I.N. Galidakis" wrote in message
news:1255649637.625799@athprx04...
Chris L Peterson wrote:
[snip]

Rational people don't believe in gods.

On the very contrary, Chris: It is _precisely_ the rational people who
might end
up believing in God.

Yes, thank you!

I'd say with very much certainty, that the more science one has done, the
closer
one gets to God. In the end, the mind completely boggles with the wonders
that
are out there. It's just too much to be explained by any _single_ human
endeavor, scientific or otherwise.

I think of it as circumstances, experiences and science related, yes. There
are simple things that cannot be explained about the atom- as well as space-
that cannot have any other explanation.

One either sees Him or not. The distinction is as clear as the light of
day.
Atheists for example are as much convinced that there is no God, as much
as
theists are convinced that He exists.

Yes, you have to seek Him out. Some people never do, no matter what
exposure.

But, if He has decided that you (or anyone
else) should not see, then I don't think it is wise for anyone to try to
convince anyone otherwise.

The closest answer I can see that being is the fact that we all have free
will. I don't think He decides whether or not an individual sees Him, but
the individual him/herself decides.

I am content with the atheist, as much as I am with the theist, because it
is
fairly obvious that both are a different face of Him. You are as much one
side
of Him as any theist is.

I am not content with the atheistic approach because I believe it is helping
bring the world to an abrupt end, something that might be avoided with more
believers. Of course, I accept the fact that I might be seeing this
differently but it is a compulsion nevertheless and I am not alone so there
must be a reason.

In the end what matters is for us to come to terms with this divine
variety and
perhaps, even enjoy it :-)

I agree with this up to a point, except when I perceive that a person has
exceeded his or her bounds.

lou

[snip]

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"Chris L Peterson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:42:41 +0100, "OG"
wrote:

Not sure what you are saying - in summary is it one of these?
a) you believe in God, but think he/it is evil

I believe he is simply pointing out the logical conclusion that if you
believe some god responds to prayers by helping children, such a god is
intrinsically evil for placing the child in such a bad condition in the
first place.

Uh, not if you base your belief on what The Bible says.

b) you think that the rational response of people who believe in God
should
be as 'a)'

Rational people don't believe in gods. Or perhaps it would be better to
say that a belief in gods is inherently irrational, so a person who
believes in a god has, at the very least, a big hole in their overall
degree of rationality.

Where is the world you come up with this beats the heck out of me. There
are plenty of rational people who believe in God- scientists, engineers,
doctors, etc.

c) you don't believe in God but think you know better than people who do

Anybody who doesn't believe in a god is operating on far more
intellectually stable ground than anybody who does.

And can you prove this? I can certainly prove the converse.

d) you think you know what people who believe in the power of prayer
believe
in even though you don't believe in the things that they believe; and,
because you believe they believe in the things you believe they believe
(but
you don't yourself believe in them) they are mistaken.

It's not a matter of belief. The power of prayer- at least in medical
matters- has been scientifically demonstrated to be non-existent.

No, no, no. Do the research. There are doctors saying and documenting the
opposite.

Are you sure you're not trying to take your buddy's part as you did before
here just to help inflame matters?

lou

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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:35:41 -0400, "lou feeders"
wrote:

Uh, not if you base your belief on what The Bible says.

Well, there is no hope for those who believe in the Bible. That
mish-mash of nonsense goes so far beyond rational thinking that analysis
is useless. I'll accept the possibility of some sort of supernatural
deity, but the idea that it's the one found in the Bible is too absurd
to consider.


Where is the world you come up with this beats the heck out of me. There
are plenty of rational people who believe in God- scientists, engineers,
doctors, etc.

I disagree. These people may be able to compartmentalize their minds so
as to operate rationally in some areas, but as I noted, the belief in
gods is irrational pretty much by definition.


Anybody who doesn't believe in a god is operating on far more
intellectually stable ground than anybody who does.

And can you prove this? I can certainly prove the converse.

The fact that you even believe such an assertion (or its converse) is
provable demonstrates that you don't fully understand logic.


It's not a matter of belief. The power of prayer- at least in medical
matters- has been scientifically demonstrated to be non-existent.

No, no, no. Do the research. There are doctors saying and documenting the
opposite.

Not a chance. The only studies that show any value of prayer are where
the person being prayed for knows it. And that can't be separated from
the placebo effect, which is demonstrably powerful.
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