Cosmology insanity

What gives the Universe all the room to have enormous (or infinite)
space? It had to come from somewhere! What is the origin of
all the matter/energy in the universe? It had to come from
somewhere! If the universe has infinite size, does it also
have infinite energy? What created that?

Good grief, I know these are fundamental problems of cosmology but
it still drives me absolutely insane. I have a few cosmology books
here in the house, but they seem to tiptoe around a lot of these
issues and delve into other stuff, such as redshift and different
rehashes of what happened in the first second of the Big Bang.
I guess it wouldn't be proper for these books to speculate,
which is understandable, but I'd at least like to read an
inkling of speculation.

The idea of ANYTHING growing out of an absolute vacuum, no
matter what the circumstances are, is so counterintuitive it
is insane. The Universe shouldn't even exist! Aghh!!
More fodder to contemplate during my next observing night.

PTM

On 10 Jul 2003 22:19:37 -0700, (Powdered Toast
Man) wrote:

The idea of ANYTHING growing out of an absolute vacuum, no
matter what the circumstances are, is so counterintuitive it
is insane. The Universe shouldn't even exist! Aghh!!
More fodder to contemplate during my next observing night.

You'll feel much better if you just get over the notion that the Universe has to
be intuitive. It isn't, and why should it be? We live between the very small and
the very large. Things at both ends behave differently then they do here in the
middle. But they still follow a discoverable, consistent, and understandable set
of rules. I'm happy that we apparently live in a well behaved universe.

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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

(Powdered Toast Man) wrote in message . com...
What gives the Universe all the room to have enormous (or infinite)
space? It had to come from somewhere! What is the origin of
all the matter/energy in the universe? It had to come from
somewhere! If the universe has infinite size, does it also
have infinite energy? What created that?

Good grief, I know these are fundamental problems of cosmology but
it still drives me absolutely insane. I have a few cosmology books
here in the house, but they seem to tiptoe around a lot of these
issues and delve into other stuff, such as redshift and different
rehashes of what happened in the first second of the Big Bang.
I guess it wouldn't be proper for these books to speculate,
which is understandable, but I'd at least like to read an
inkling of speculation.

The idea of ANYTHING growing out of an absolute vacuum, no
matter what the circumstances are, is so counterintuitive it
is insane. The Universe shouldn't even exist! Aghh!!
More fodder to contemplate during my next observing night.

PTM

God + Powdered Toast = Cosmic Inflation... BIG BANG Big Stinking Bang

(Powdered Toast Man) wrote in message . com...
What gives the Universe all the room to have enormous (or infinite)
space? It had to come from somewhere! What is the origin of
all the matter/energy in the universe? It had to come from
somewhere! If the universe has infinite size, does it also
have infinite energy? What created that?

Good grief, I know these are fundamental problems of cosmology but
it still drives me absolutely insane. I have a few cosmology books
here in the house, but they seem to tiptoe around a lot of these
issues and delve into other stuff, such as redshift and different
rehashes of what happened in the first second of the Big Bang.
I guess it wouldn't be proper for these books to speculate,
which is understandable, but I'd at least like to read an
inkling of speculation.

The idea of ANYTHING growing out of an absolute vacuum, no
matter what the circumstances are, is so counterintuitive it
is insane. The Universe shouldn't even exist! Aghh!!
More fodder to contemplate during my next observing night.

PTM


Pretty tough thing to contemplate, for sure. Actually, the fact
that even one atom exists is amazing enough to drive a person nuts.
Big Bang, so what? Where did the material come from to start with?

HG

On 11 Jul 2003 04:00:23 -0700, MrGrytt wrote:


Pretty tough thing to contemplate, for sure. Actually, the fact
that even one atom exists is amazing enough to drive a person nuts. Big
Bang, so what? Where did the material come from to start with?

HG


Virtual particles! (?)

Lawrence Sayre

--
My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as
a moral being, with his own happiness as the moral
purpose of his life, with productive achievement as
his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

Ayn Rand (in the appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged')

Powdered Toast Man wrote:
.........The idea of ANYTHING growing out of an absolute vacuum, no
matter what the circumstances are, is so counterintuitive it
is insane. The Universe shouldn't even exist! Aghh!!
More fodder to contemplate during my next observing night.

As Allan Sandage said: "Why is there something instead of nothing?"

If you think really hard about this, you will hurt your brain.
Seriously, I am confident that a scientist, or more likely a team of
scientists, will figure this out. In the meantime, have fun observing!

To quote one of my professors: "if it was simple then any fool could
understand it"!

Del Johnson



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What gives the Universe all the room to have enormous (or infinite)
space? It had to come from somewhere! What is the origin of
all the matter/energy in the universe? It had to come from
somewhere! If the universe has infinite size, does it also
have infinite energy? What created that?

Good grief, I know these are fundamental problems of cosmology but
it still drives me absolutely insane. I have a few cosmology books
here in the house, but they seem to tiptoe around a lot of these
issues and delve into other stuff, such as redshift and different
rehashes of what happened in the first second of the Big Bang.
I guess it wouldn't be proper for these books to speculate,
which is understandable, but I'd at least like to read an
inkling of speculation.

The idea of ANYTHING growing out of an absolute vacuum, no
matter what the circumstances are, is so counterintuitive it
is insane. The Universe shouldn't even exist! Aghh!!
More fodder to contemplate during my next observing night.

PTM

Powdered Toast Man wrote:

What gives the Universe all the room to have enormous (or infinite)
space? It had to come from somewhere! What is the origin of
all the matter/energy in the universe? It had to come from
somewhere! If the universe has infinite size, does it also
have infinite energy? What created that?

Good grief, I know these are fundamental problems of cosmology but
it still drives me absolutely insane. I have a few cosmology books
here in the house, but they seem to tiptoe around a lot of these
issues and delve into other stuff, such as redshift and different
rehashes of what happened in the first second of the Big Bang.
I guess it wouldn't be proper for these books to speculate,
which is understandable, but I'd at least like to read an
inkling of speculation.

The idea of ANYTHING growing out of an absolute vacuum, no
matter what the circumstances are, is so counterintuitive it
is insane. The Universe shouldn't even exist! Aghh!!
More fodder to contemplate during my next observing night.


Here is some of what we do know abouth the ultimate free lunch
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm