Comparison of Delta IV, Aries 1 and Atlas V

Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

"M" wrote in message
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Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

I'm not sure.

But minor rant here (and not directly solely at you since many others ahve
done it.)

It's Ares. As in the Greek god of war. Not Aries as in the Ram.

(though Griffin is trying to ram it down people's throat.)

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
But minor rant here (and not directly solely at you since many others ahve
done it.)

It's Ares. As in the Greek god of war. Not Aries as in the Ram.

(though Griffin is trying to ram it down people's throat.)


And I'd treat any payload to LEO estimates on it with a great deal of
skepticism, as NASA hasn't even completely finalized its design yet, so
its actual weight at launch is a unknown quantity.

Pat

M wrote:

Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

How can you possibly compare that which you cannot spell and which does
not exist?

Hill L wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:33:40 -0600, kT wrote:

M wrote:

Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

How can you possibly compare that which you cannot spell and which does
not exist?

**** yuo.

Ares I - imaginary launch vehicle

America - imaginary democracy.

Americans - the dumbest mother****ers in the room.

Shizzle wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:28:15 -0600, kT wrote:

Americans - the dumbest mother****ers in the room.

America - Ares I.

Hahaha hahaha ahaha ... and they can't even spell it right.

A nation simply cannot get much ****ing dumber than America right now.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12...bailout-costs/

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

The dumbest nation on Earth.

Possibly the universe.

"M" wrote in message
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Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

It's hard to compare the two since they have completely different missions.
That said, I think NASA's ESAS report looked at them. But people have been
complaining that this report lacks some of the detils which are contained in
(missing) appendices:

http://www.nasa.gov/directorates/esm...AS_report.html

I think you want:

Part 6: Launch Vehicles and Earth Departure Stages (6.5 Mb PDF)


Jeff
--
"Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
My own standards have changed too." -- Freeman Dyson

On Dec 15, 1:33*pm, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:
"M" wrote in message

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Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

It's hard to compare the two since they have completely different missions.
That said, I think NASA's ESAS report looked at them. *But people have been
complaining that this report lacks some of the detils which are contained in
(missing) appendices:

http://www.nasa.gov/directorates/esm...AS_report.html

I think you want:

Part 6: Launch Vehicles and Earth Departure Stages (6.5 Mb PDF)

Jeff
--
"Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
My own standards have changed too." *-- Freeman Dyson

Thanks, that is perfect. Just what I was looking for.

"M" wrote in message
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On Dec 15, 1:33 pm, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:
"M" wrote in message

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Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

It's hard to compare the two since they have completely different
missions.
That said, I think NASA's ESAS report looked at them. But people have
been
complaining that this report lacks some of the detils which are
contained in
(missing) appendices:

http://www.nasa.gov/directorates/esm...AS_report.html

I think you want:

Part 6: Launch Vehicles and Earth Departure Stages (6.5 Mb PDF)

Thanks, that is perfect. Just what I was looking for.

Please be aware that this is the "bait" Ares I of the "bait and switch"
which Griffin pulled on all of us. For Ares I, ESAS assumed a four segment
SRB topped with an air started SSME powered upper stage. This has been
replaced with a five segment SRB topped with a much less efficient J-2X
powered upper stage. Performance of Ares I has suffered as its development
has progressed.

Also, I would not trust all of the EELV information in there. It's dated,
at the least.

Jeff
--
"Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
My own standards have changed too." -- Freeman Dyson

On Dec 16, 9:32*am, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:
"M" wrote in message

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On Dec 15, 1:33 pm, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:



"M" wrote in message

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Where can I go for a web page that has a direct comparison of the
Aries 1 payload capability versus the Delta iV Heavy and the Altas V?

It's hard to compare the two since they have completely different
missions.
That said, I think NASA's ESAS report looked at them. But people have
been
complaining that this report lacks some of the detils which are
contained in
(missing) appendices:

http://www.nasa.gov/directorates/esm...AS_report.html

I think you want:

Part 6: Launch Vehicles and Earth Departure Stages (6.5 Mb PDF)

Thanks, that is perfect. Just what I was looking for.

Please be aware that this is the "bait" Ares I of the "bait and switch"
which Griffin pulled on all of us. *For Ares I, ESAS assumed a four segment
SRB topped with an air started SSME powered upper stage. *This has been
replaced with a five segment SRB topped with a much less efficient J-2X
powered upper stage. *Performance of Ares I has suffered as its development
has progressed.

Also, I would not trust all of the EELV information in there. *It's dated,
at the least.

Jeff
--
"Many things that were acceptable in 1958 are no longer acceptable today.
My own standards have changed too." *-- Freeman Dyson

What piqued my interest in that document was the reliability ratings
for manned spaceflight. I have no idea how they figured tehat the Ares
designs were safer than the Delta or Atlas.