Why I'm Here

I've realized many months ago that Complexity
Science is a concept that is almost impossible
to explain to those trained in classical determinism.

The only possible way to prove this science and its
profound improvement in understanding is to
demonstrate it. An Unequivocal Demonstration is
possible with this mission to Mars.

It is The ultimate Test in that cheating is not possible And
that the competition is certain to be formidable.
In that The Answer is known by no one.

My only specialty Is the mathematics of Nature

If this site shows Nature, if this Is correct that the opportunity site
displays a sulfate bacteria/freshwater sponge ecosystem
it would be ludicrous to claim luck...Good guess!
How many species are there?


And This Discovery that life evolved separately on two
planets ...and...almost exactly in the same way
Is too important...is too Magnificent to worry about
anything other than the discovery. I don't care if I
annoy. I don't care if I embarrass myself.

I don't care.

I can live with being wrong, but not with remaining
silent in a world that needs this science.
In a world that deserves this discovery as
This World has suffered too much from the
dark ages that Is still Suffocating us all.

It's time for the world to at last Understand the
simplicity and her mandate. It's time for the world
to finally understand creation and ...agree on
God And how to shape our world in Her image.
It is possible to create a Utopian future.
It is possible to return the world to Nature.
I promise!


Jonathan




"Their height in heaven comforts not,
Their glory nought to me;
'T was best imperfect, as it was;
I'm finite, I can't see.

The house of supposition,
The glimmering frontier
That skirts the acres of perhaps,
To me shows insecure.

The wealth I had contented me;
If 't was a meaner size,
Then I had counted it until
It pleased my narrow eyes

Better than larger values,
However true their show;
This timid life of evidence
Keeps pleading, "I don't know"




By Emily Dickinson


s

"jonathan" wrote in message
...

I've realized many months ago that Complexity
Science is a concept that is almost impossible
to explain to those trained in classical determinism.

Especially the way you trivialize it.
You are doing complexity science a major disservice
here. You are, in fact, unwittingly trashing it before
the world.

The only possible way to prove this science and its
profound improvement in understanding is to
demonstrate it. An Unequivocal Demonstration is
possible with this mission to Mars.

It is The ultimate Test in that cheating is not possible And
that the competition is certain to be formidable.
In that The Answer is known by no one.

That you are beginning to use capital letters here is
a Bad Sign.

My only specialty Is the mathematics of Nature

If this site shows Nature, if this Is correct that the opportunity site
displays a sulfate bacteria/freshwater sponge ecosystem
it would be ludicrous to claim luck...Good guess!
How many species are there?


And This Discovery that life evolved separately on two
planets ...and...almost exactly in the same way
Is too important...is too Magnificent to worry about
anything other than the discovery. I don't care if I
annoy.

You should put a little more effort into your
thoughtless behavior.

I don't care if I embarrass myself.

You really should rethink this.

I don't care.

With all due respect, I think this may very well
be your most serious problem.
This, perhaps, and impending insanity.

Note: The following is an almost perfect parody
of someone at the precise moment of
crossing the line from being a well meaning
religious neophyte into a well meaning
but full-fledged crackpot:

I can live with being wrong, but not with remaining
silent in a world that needs this science.
In a world that deserves this discovery as
This World has suffered too much from the
dark ages that Is still Suffocating us all.

It's time for the world to at last Understand the
simplicity and her mandate. It's time for the world
to finally understand creation and ...agree on
God And how to shape our world in Her image.
It is possible to create a Utopian future.
It is possible to return the world to Nature.
I promise!


You promise.
I rest my case.


"Their height in heaven comforts not,

As I said, stick with Emily.
She remains the underlying comort you seek.


Their glory nought to me;
'T was best imperfect, as it was;
I'm finite, I can't see.

The house of supposition,
The glimmering frontier
That skirts the acres of perhaps,
To me shows insecure.

The wealth I had contented me;
If 't was a meaner size,
Then I had counted it until
It pleased my narrow eyes

Better than larger values,
However true their show;
This timid life of evidence
Keeps pleading, "I don't know"

By Emily Dickinson


I would question whether you even
understand the above poem -
but that would be off topic in
sci.astro and I have no real desire
to pursue it. You have enough
strikes against you as it is.
Good luck, Jonathan.

"jonathan" wrote in message ...
I've realized many months ago that Complexity
Science is a concept that is almost impossible
to explain to those trained in classical determinism.

The only possible way to prove this science and its
profound improvement in understanding is to
demonstrate it. An Unequivocal Demonstration is
possible with this mission to Mars.

It is The ultimate Test in that cheating is not possible And
that the competition is certain to be formidable.
In that The Answer is known by no one.

My only specialty Is the mathematics of Nature

If this site shows Nature, if this Is correct that the opportunity site
displays a sulfate bacteria/freshwater sponge ecosystem
it would be ludicrous to claim luck...Good guess!
How many species are there?


And This Discovery that life evolved separately on two
planets ...and...almost exactly in the same way
Is too important...is too Magnificent to worry about
anything other than the discovery. I don't care if I
annoy. I don't care if I embarrass myself.

I don't care.

I can live with being wrong, but not with remaining
silent in a world that needs this science.
In a world that deserves this discovery as
This World has suffered too much from the
dark ages that Is still Suffocating us all.

It's time for the world to at last Understand the
simplicity and her mandate. It's time for the world
to finally understand creation and ...agree on
God And how to shape our world in Her image.
It is possible to create a Utopian future.
It is possible to return the world to Nature.
I promise!


Jonathan




"Their height in heaven comforts not,
Their glory nought to me;
'T was best imperfect, as it was;
I'm finite, I can't see.

The house of supposition,
The glimmering frontier
That skirts the acres of perhaps,
To me shows insecure.

The wealth I had contented me;
If 't was a meaner size,
Then I had counted it until
It pleased my narrow eyes

Better than larger values,
However true their show;
This timid life of evidence
Keeps pleading, "I don't know"

By Emily Dickinson



Hey Jonathon, ...see that below? That's the Ice Cream Bandit and the
Poultice, ..also of this world. (I think I prefer Emily). I think
they're pulling the longbow when they say that both are 'natural' (ice
cream and poultices) - though there's no doubt they are made of the
atoms of the universe. (You have to wonder what sort of logic these
guys go by, ...the things they say...)

"jonathan" wrote in message ...
I've realized many months ago that Complexity
Science is a concept that is almost impossible
to explain to those trained in classical determinism.

The only possible way to prove this science and its
profound improvement in understanding is to
demonstrate it. An Unequivocal Demonstration is
possible with this mission to Mars.

It is The ultimate Test in that cheating is not possible And
that the competition is certain to be formidable.
In that The Answer is known by no one.

My only specialty Is the mathematics of Nature

how is this different from plain old math?

or do you mean you 'interpret' mathmatical relations theosophistically
or some such?

If this site shows Nature, if this Is correct that the opportunity site
displays a sulfate bacteria/freshwater sponge ecosystem
it would be ludicrous to claim luck...Good guess!
How many species are there?


the above is a little confused, (why shouldn't the site show nature)
but, lets say they find life on mars. how is that in and of itself a
boost for complexity based science as opposed to 'classical
determinism' based science?

And This Discovery that life evolved separately on two
planets ...and...almost exactly in the same way
Is too important...is too Magnificent to worry about
anything other than the discovery. I don't care if I
annoy. I don't care if I embarrass myself.

I don't care.


a scientific person wouldn't care if they were look at cock-eyed, so i
guess you have the right attitude there.

I can live with being wrong, but not with remaining
silent in a world that needs this science.

what science? complexity science?

In a world that deserves this discovery as
This World has suffered too much from the
dark ages that Is still Suffocating us all.

why, because we don't have 'complexity science'?

It's time for the world to at last Understand the
simplicity and her mandate. It's time for the world
to finally understand creation and ...agree on
God And how to shape our world in Her image.

wha?

It is possible to create a Utopian future.

perhaps.

It is possible to return the world to Nature.

i guess that would depend on what that means

I promise!

your promise is meaningless, certainly in regards to what you've
mentioned. you have no authority or special knowledge pertaining to
those things, at least you haven't demonstrated any.
snip

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 01:12:46 -0500, "jonathan" carved in
granite...

I've realized many months ago that Complexity
Science is a concept that is almost impossible
to explain to those trained in classical determinism.

Don't know about you, but I'm here because two teenagers got a wild hare up
their asses and decided to make good of the name "Inspiration Point" and thus I
soon came to be. Nine months later, of course.

I won't approach where they apparently found you (but it does promote the
spay/neuter program by the Humane Society, though).
Carl



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jonathan ) wrote:




: I've realized many months ago that Complexity
: Science is a concept that is almost impossible
: to explain to those trained in classical determinism.

: The only possible way to prove this science and its
: profound improvement in understanding is to
: demonstrate it. An Unequivocal Demonstration is
: possible with this mission to Mars.

: It is The ultimate Test in that cheating is not possible And
: that the competition is certain to be formidable.
: In that The Answer is known by no one.

: My only specialty Is the mathematics of Nature

There are many "correct" interpretations of nature.

: If this site shows Nature, if this Is correct that the opportunity site
: displays a sulfate bacteria/freshwater sponge ecosystem
: it would be ludicrous to claim luck...Good guess!
: How many species are there?

Perhaps you should ask, "how many species were there?"

: And This Discovery that life evolved separately on two
: planets ...and...almost exactly in the same way
: Is too important...is too Magnificent to worry about
: anything other than the discovery. I don't care if I
: annoy. I don't care if I embarrass myself.

You presume that there was life on Mars. As someone correctly stated,
to have life you must have water. But to have water does not prove that
there is or was life.

: I don't care.

: I can live with being wrong, but not with remaining
: silent in a world that needs this science.
: In a world that deserves this discovery as
: This World has suffered too much from the
: dark ages that Is still Suffocating us all.

What if the water was determined to have been there eons ago, what then?

: It's time for the world to at last Understand the
: simplicity and her mandate. It's time for the world
: to finally understand creation and ...agree on
: God And how to shape our world in Her image.

What? Where di this come from?

: It is possible to create a Utopian future.
: It is possible to return the world to Nature.
: I promise!

Geez, this sounds like Ted Kazinsky(sp) of the Unibomer fame.
Sorry dude, you lost me.

Eric

: Jonathan




: "Their height in heaven comforts not,
: Their glory nought to me;
: 'T was best imperfect, as it was;
: I'm finite, I can't see.

: The house of supposition,
: The glimmering frontier
: That skirts the acres of perhaps,
: To me shows insecure.

: The wealth I had contented me;
: If 't was a meaner size,
: Then I had counted it until
: It pleased my narrow eyes

: Better than larger values,
: However true their show;
: This timid life of evidence
: Keeps pleading, "I don't know"




: By Emily Dickinson


: s

Chosp ) wrote:

: "jonathan" wrote in message
: ...

: I've realized many months ago that Complexity
: Science is a concept that is almost impossible
: to explain to those trained in classical determinism.

: Especially the way you trivialize it.
: You are doing complexity science a major disservice
: here. You are, in fact, unwittingly trashing it before
: the world.

: The only possible way to prove this science and its
: profound improvement in understanding is to
: demonstrate it. An Unequivocal Demonstration is
: possible with this mission to Mars.
:
: It is The ultimate Test in that cheating is not possible And
: that the competition is certain to be formidable.
: In that The Answer is known by no one.

: That you are beginning to use capital letters here is
: a Bad Sign.

: My only specialty Is the mathematics of Nature
:
: If this site shows Nature, if this Is correct that the opportunity site
: displays a sulfate bacteria/freshwater sponge ecosystem
: it would be ludicrous to claim luck...Good guess!
: How many species are there?
:
:
: And This Discovery that life evolved separately on two
: planets ...and...almost exactly in the same way
: Is too important...is too Magnificent to worry about
: anything other than the discovery. I don't care if I
: annoy.

: You should put a little more effort into your
: thoughtless behavior.

: I don't care if I embarrass myself.

: You really should rethink this.

: I don't care.

: With all due respect, I think this may very well
: be your most serious problem.
: This, perhaps, and impending insanity.

: Note: The following is an almost perfect parody
: of someone at the precise moment of
: crossing the line from being a well meaning
: religious neophyte into a well meaning
: but full-fledged crackpot:

I couldn't agree more. Why does the concept of Orwell's 1984 "doublethink"
come to mind when reading this post? Somehow, this guy has managed to hold
scientific thought coupled with faith-based religion together to a point
where he's managed to oscillate himself into a straight line of
meaninglessness.

Eric

: I can live with being wrong, but not with remaining
: silent in a world that needs this science.
: In a world that deserves this discovery as
: This World has suffered too much from the
: dark ages that Is still Suffocating us all.
:
: It's time for the world to at last Understand the
: simplicity and her mandate. It's time for the world
: to finally understand creation and ...agree on
: God And how to shape our world in Her image.
: It is possible to create a Utopian future.
: It is possible to return the world to Nature.
: I promise!


: You promise.
: I rest my case.


: "Their height in heaven comforts not,

: As I said, stick with Emily.
: She remains the underlying comort you seek.


: Their glory nought to me;
: 'T was best imperfect, as it was;
: I'm finite, I can't see.
:
: The house of supposition,
: The glimmering frontier
: That skirts the acres of perhaps,
: To me shows insecure.
:
: The wealth I had contented me;
: If 't was a meaner size,
: Then I had counted it until
: It pleased my narrow eyes
:
: Better than larger values,
: However true their show;
: This timid life of evidence
: Keeps pleading, "I don't know"

: By Emily Dickinson


: I would question whether you even
: understand the above poem -
: but that would be off topic in
: sci.astro and I have no real desire
: to pursue it. You have enough
: strikes against you as it is.
: Good luck, Jonathan.