John Kerry Rejects Going Back to the Moon, on to Mars

"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.

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A vote for Kerry appears to be a vote to keep Western Civilization planet
bound and to yield the future to the Chinese.

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Mark R. Whittington
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Co-author of Nocturne, a Novel of Suspense
http://www.xlibris.com/nocturne.html
Author of Children of Apollo
http://www.xlibris.com/childrenofapollo.html

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says...
"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.

Yep, renewable energy is one of the most vital things we could develop
but Bush's criminal level of corruption and influence peddling with
Halliburton and the oil industry prevents him from acting in the best
interests of this country. Renewable energy development is a matter of
national defense, but as usual, Bush has sold us down the river on it.



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A vote for Kerry appears to be a vote to keep Western Civilization planet
bound and to yield the future to the Chinese.

You're full of ****. Bush is proposing nothing but unfunded or
underfunded stunts that are complete afterthoughs. Bush has promised to
do everything in the world but he has virtually never followed through,
be adequate education funding, promised levels of AIDS research, serious
fuel cell research, or even giving proper attention to homeland security.
We will go to other planets when the appropriate, economical technology
has been developed and not before. Morons, like yourself, who think that
we can go before we are ready simply don't grasp reality. But then
you're just a poorly educated, racist repug asswipe anyway, so that's not
surprising. Kerry will be the next president and I hope George W. Bush
rots in prison for the rest of his miserable life.


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Why does this surprise you? It was a democratically controlled Congress
that killed Apollo and nickeled and dimed both the shuttle and ISS to the
point of irrelevance. The doctrinaire republicans are not automatically our
friends but it is very clear who our enemies are.


"Mark R. Whittington" wrote in message
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"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to
be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.


http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.../NEWS09/102260
100/-1/NEWS

A vote for Kerry appears to be a vote to keep Western Civilization planet
bound and to yield the future to the Chinese.

--
Mark R. Whittington
http://curmudgeons.blogspot.com
Co-author of Nocturne, a Novel of Suspense
http://www.xlibris.com/nocturne.html
Author of Children of Apollo
http://www.xlibris.com/childrenofapollo.html

In article . net,
"Mark R. Whittington" wrote:

"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.

Bummer.

A vote for Kerry appears to be a vote to keep Western Civilization planet
bound and to yield the future to the Chinese.

I wouldn't go that far. Kerry could be in office at most 8 years; a
setback to space development that's minor compared to the damage Bush
could do to our country & plane in another four.

It's a pity we have to choose, though.

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So you're saying "screw the deficit and civil rights, as long as we can give
NASA way too much money trying to go back to the Moon". Thanks for sharing.

With Kerry as President the private sector will take us into space, which is as
it should be.

"What we need to do as we enter this dawn of the 21st century, is not talk
about going to the Moon or even to Mars. We need to go to the Moon right
here on Earth by creating the jobs, building the high value-added jobs of
the future, making clear that no young American in uniform ever ought to be
held hostage to America's dependence on oil in the Middle East," he said.

Going to the Moon and Mars would produce alot of high value jobs. How does
Kerry propose to create those same high value jobs, yet not go to the Moon?
Going to the Moon will be an American Project, I doubt we would outsource those
jobs with American Taxpayer's Money. If the French Join, then their high their
proportionate percentage of French workers, but American money would definitely
go towards creating American Jobs. Now for the commerial launch sector,
American Jobs can certainly be outsourced because the Customer does not care
who does the work so long as the work gets done as cheaply as possible. The US
Government does care, so any massive project to send people to the Moon and
Mars would necessarily employ American Workers! I don't know why Kerry rejects
Grandiose space programs as potential jobs programs. They will produce American
Jobs of high quality and skill, this high quality and skill will go to other
countries otherwise as other countries have cheaper workers. We may lose the
ability to do these space projects and perhaps to launch rockets if all these
jobs go to third world countries. A moon project is a way to preserve these
talents for our country! I don't know why Kerry is such a rejectionist of all
things American?

Tom

I wouldn't go that far. Kerry could be in office at most 8 years; a
setback to space development that's minor compared to the damage Bush
could do to our country & plane in another four.

It's a pity we have to choose, though.

Kerry wants to "go to the Moon on Earth", you know what that sounds like?

Capricorn One!

Tom

Why does this surprise you? It was a democratically controlled Congress
that killed Apollo and nickeled and dimed both the shuttle and ISS to the
point of irrelevance. The doctrinaire republicans are not automatically our
friends but it is very clear who our enemies are.



"Mark R. Whittington"

There are two sets of Democrats, pre 1968 democrats and post 1968 democrats.
The pre 1968 democrats got the Apollo program started, then they undergone a
conversion in 1968, turn the American Flag upsidedown and then started killing
the Apollo program. The post 1968 Democrats no longer wanted to beat the
Soviets in the Space Race, now they wanted to lose, so they cut back manned
space travel giving the Soviets a chance to pull ahead of us. I wasn't there
for the conversion, I don't know what happened to the democrats, but I imagine
that alot of voters were thrown off. Whatever happened to the Patriotic
Democrats of FDR, Truman, and JFK, now according to these New Democrats,
everything that's wrong with the World was caused by America, not the Soviet
Union! I get the distinct impression that most Democrats consider themselves to
be citizens of the World first and are embarrassed about being American
citizens, that they play down. Instead of considering their political offices
as a way to serve their country, they consider it instead as a way to serve
their constituents. It is unfortunate, in their minds that they have to serve
in American Government offices to help their constituents, but they make the
best of things by spending as much Government money as they can on their
constituents at home, they don't want to spend it on anything spectacular like
a Moon mission, they think America as a whole doesn't deserve such a thing,
instead they want to spend the money quitely on entitlements without calling
attention to the generosity and accom[plishments of America as a whole. The
American system of government is basically the system they have to work with to
get things done, but I suspect that they wish it was something else.

Tom

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:12:47 -0600, Richard Schumacher
wrote:

So you're saying "screw the deficit and civil rights, as long as we can give
NASA way too much money trying to go back to the Moon". Thanks for sharing.

Civil Rights = Do nothing while 20 terrorists come to America, board
airliners and kill 3,000 people. Thanks for sharing.

With Kerry as President the private sector will take us into space, which is as
it should be.

Most forecasts say the Republicans will maintain control (perhaps even
increase their majority) of Congress in November. So even if Kerry
wins, he won't get much done. Left to his own devices, he'll likely
try to tax the private sector out of existence to pay down the
deficit. Yeah, that's a prescription for an improved economy,
alright...

Brian

"Brian Thorn" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:12:47 -0600, Richard Schumacher
wrote:

So you're saying "screw the deficit and civil rights, as long as we can
give
NASA way too much money trying to go back to the Moon". Thanks for
sharing.

Civil Rights = Do nothing while 20 terrorists come to America, board
airliners and kill 3,000 people. Thanks for sharing.

With Kerry as President the private sector will take us into space, which
is as
it should be.

Most forecasts say the Republicans will maintain control (perhaps even
increase their majority) of Congress in November. So even if Kerry
wins, he won't get much done. Left to his own devices, he'll likely
try to tax the private sector out of existence to pay down the
deficit. Yeah, that's a prescription for an improved economy,
alright...

As Greenspan pointed out, now that we have massive deficits, Social Security
will bankrupt the government. If that happens, there won't be a space
program at all. In 2001, we had a choice between running deficits now or
running them later. We chose to run them now which causes a bit of a
problem when Social Security runs out of money. Bush's Mars program takes
place after the government goes bankrupt.

Most of Bush's plans take place after he leaves office, so in a way, it
doesn't matter that much who gets elected. There is still a chance of
changing Kerry's mind after he has taken office and spoken to people at
NASA. At the moment, he is busy and isn't likely to propose much of a space
program. Under Bush's plan, the shuttle shuts down in 2010. Kerry's plan
is probably the same, unless it shuts down sooner, which wouldn't be a bad
thing. We'll have to wait and see what comes next.