Master Mathematician

Kepler described the laws of planetary motion in the early 1600's,
and The World Book Encyclopedia noted that these "are used to
determine the orbits of artificial satellites and to plan the flights
of spacecraft." In 1687, Newton published his famous laws of motion,
and these laws, "like Kepler's, form a cornerstone of space-flight
planning," said this encyclopedia. Why is this so?

Because by using these laws, humans can determine by mathematical
calculations where in space a particular body will be at a given time.
Such calculations are made possible by the consistent, ever predictable
movement of heavenly bodies, including the moon and the earth. The
moon, for example, speeds along in an orbit around the earth at an
average of 2,300 miles [3,700 km] per hour, completing its trip of
shortly less than a month with amazing predictability. The earth makes
its yearly trip around the sun, traveling some 66,600 miles
[107,200 km] per hour, with similar predictability.

Thus, when guiding flights to the moon, humans on the earth aim their
spacecraft at a point in space many thousands of miles ahead of the
orbiting moon. By various calculations they know exactly where the moon
is certain to be at the predetermined time. And if the spacecraft is
given proper direction and power, it will be at that spot too, making a
moon landing possible.

What makes such predictability in the movement of heavenly bodies
possible? The first American astronaut to orbit the earth, John Glenn,
exclaimed regarding the order in the universe: "Could this have just
happened? . . . I can't believe that." Then he added: "Some
Power put all this into orbit and keeps it there."

Space scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun, in awe of the laws governing
the universe, had this to say: "Manned space flight . . . has
opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches
of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of
the universe only confirms our belief in its creator."

Famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at
the University of Cambridge, concurred: "One could perhaps describe
the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high
order, and He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the
universe."

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Köi-Lö:

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Or is it at all?
Just because some people say so doesn't mean this highest power exists. What
matters in the end is the evidence.

So what's yours?

--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...

My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus

Köi-Lö wrote:
Kepler described the laws of planetary motion in the early 1600's,
and The World Book Encyclopedia noted that these "are used to
determine the orbits of artificial satellites and to plan the flights
of spacecraft."

Your encyclopedia is wrong. Keplers' laws are a special case of the
solution to the two body problem of Newtonian theory of gravity. They
give no where near enough accuracy for most space probe work. For that
it is necessary to take full account of the relevant perturbing
influences to the spacecraft's trajectory. You also need to know how to
account for the effects of operating the spacecraft thrusters. Kepler's
laws are not much help with this at all. Kepler did not understand the
concept of inertia. Although I'm sure he would have learned about it
and understood if he had been on better terms with Galileo. Kepler was
probably one of, if not the best mathematician of his day.

In 1687, Newton published his famous laws of motion,
and these laws, "like Kepler's, form a cornerstone of space-flight
planning," said this encyclopedia. Why is this so?

You mean, unlike Kepler's laws, Newton's theory of gravity and motion
ARE the cornerstone of space-flight planning, except where cases of
utmost accuracy is needed and then relativistic effects must be taken
into account.


Because by using these laws, humans can determine by mathematical
calculations where in space a particular body will be at a given time.
Such calculations are made possible by the consistent, ever predictable
movement of heavenly bodies, including the moon and the earth. The
moon, for example, speeds along in an orbit around the earth at an
average of 2,300 miles [3,700 km] per hour, completing its trip of
shortly less than a month with amazing predictability. The earth makes
its yearly trip around the sun, traveling some 66,600 miles
[107,200 km] per hour, with similar predictability.

Thus, when guiding flights to the moon, humans on the earth aim their
spacecraft at a point in space many thousands of miles ahead of the
orbiting moon. By various calculations they know exactly where the moon
is certain to be at the predetermined time. And if the spacecraft is
given proper direction and power, it will be at that spot too, making a
moon landing possible.

It is no where near that simple. You have to burn your thrusters to get
into a useful lunar orbit. Figuring out how to do that without using up
all your fuel is the tricky part. Especially if you want to get back
home ;-).



What makes such predictability in the movement of heavenly bodies
possible?

Observation shows that the world works in a predictable way. We don't
have any other universe to compare with to see if anything else can be
possible.

The first American astronaut to orbit the earth, John Glenn,
exclaimed regarding the order in the universe: "Could this have just
happened? . . . I can't believe that."

Argument from personal incredulity. Assertion rejected.

Then he added: "Some
Power put all this into orbit and keeps it there."

Unsupported assertion. Rejected.


Space scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun, in awe of the laws governing
the universe, had this to say: "Manned space flight . . . has
opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches
of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of
the universe only confirms our belief in its creator."

Argument from awe. Rejected.


Famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at
the University of Cambridge, concurred: "One could perhaps describe
the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high
order, and He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the
universe."

Demonstrate that a god exists. Then we will see if it is any good at
mathematics.
BTW when Dirac's friend Wolfgang Pauli was asked what Dirac had told
him his religious beliefs he replied:

"If I understand Dirac correctly, his meaning is this: there is no God,
and Dirac is his Prophet,"

It appears you are attempting to lie about Dirac's religious beliefs by
dishonest quote mining.


Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Begging the question fallacy rejected.

Bill

On 23 Nov 2006 19:12:25 -0800, "Köi-Lö"
wrote:

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

The physical constants of the universe.

Köi-Lö wrote:

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

As it says in Ecclesiastes 3:11

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity
in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from
beginning to end.

Köi-Lö wrote:
snip
Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Sweet. I just consulted with the god Mercury and he says he does not obey
the laws of Kepler, Newton or your god.
He told me that those laws don't apply to him. Oddly enough he also said
that your GPS worships him.

Köi-Lö wrote:
Kepler described the laws of planetary motion in the early 1600's,
and The World Book Encyclopedia noted that these "are used to
determine the orbits of artificial satellites and to plan the flights
of spacecraft." In 1687, Newton published his famous laws of motion,
and these laws, "like Kepler's, form a cornerstone of space-flight
planning," said this encyclopedia. Why is this so?

Because by using these laws, humans can determine by mathematical
calculations where in space a particular body will be at a given time.
Such calculations are made possible by the consistent, ever predictable
movement of heavenly bodies, including the moon and the earth. The
moon, for example, speeds along in an orbit around the earth at an
average of 2,300 miles [3,700 km] per hour, completing its trip of
shortly less than a month with amazing predictability. The earth makes
its yearly trip around the sun, traveling some 66,600 miles
[107,200 km] per hour, with similar predictability.

Thus, when guiding flights to the moon, humans on the earth aim their
spacecraft at a point in space many thousands of miles ahead of the
orbiting moon. By various calculations they know exactly where the moon
is certain to be at the predetermined time. And if the spacecraft is
given proper direction and power, it will be at that spot too, making a
moon landing possible.

What makes such predictability in the movement of heavenly bodies
possible? The first American astronaut to orbit the earth, John Glenn,
exclaimed regarding the order in the universe: "Could this have just
happened? . . . I can't believe that." Then he added: "Some
Power put all this into orbit and keeps it there."

Space scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun, in awe of the laws governing
the universe, had this to say: "Manned space flight . . . has
opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches
of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of
the universe only confirms our belief in its creator."

Famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at
the University of Cambridge, concurred: "One could perhaps describe
the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high
order, and He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the
universe."

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?
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Beautifully put, brother! Or as the well-known argument for the
existence of god(s) goes:

(1) There're lots of things I don't know and I don't understand;

(2) I'm too lazy/stupid (choose the correct one) to begin studying and
trying to understand any of those things;

(3) Ergo god(s) exist(s).

Voila!
Tonio

Köi-Lö wrote:

Kepler described the laws of planetary motion in the early 1600's,
and The World Book Encyclopedia noted that these "are used to
determine the orbits of artificial satellites and to plan the flights
of spacecraft." In 1687, Newton published his famous laws of motion,
and these laws, "like Kepler's, form a cornerstone of space-flight
planning," said this encyclopedia. Why is this so?

Because by using these laws, humans can determine by mathematical
calculations where in space a particular body will be at a given time.
Such calculations are made possible by the consistent, ever predictable
movement of heavenly bodies, including the moon and the earth. The
moon, for example, speeds along in an orbit around the earth at an
average of 2,300 miles [3,700 km] per hour, completing its trip of
shortly less than a month with amazing predictability. The earth makes
its yearly trip around the sun, traveling some 66,600 miles
[107,200 km] per hour, with similar predictability.

Thus, when guiding flights to the moon, humans on the earth aim their
spacecraft at a point in space many thousands of miles ahead of the
orbiting moon. By various calculations they know exactly where the moon
is certain to be at the predetermined time. And if the spacecraft is
given proper direction and power, it will be at that spot too, making a
moon landing possible.

What makes such predictability in the movement of heavenly bodies
possible? The first American astronaut to orbit the earth, John Glenn,
exclaimed regarding the order in the universe: "Could this have just
happened? . . . I can't believe that." Then he added: "Some
Power put all this into orbit and keeps it there."

Space scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun, in awe of the laws governing
the universe, had this to say: "Manned space flight . . . has
opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches
of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of
the universe only confirms our belief in its creator."

Famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at
the University of Cambridge, concurred: "One could perhaps describe
the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high
order, and He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the
universe."

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

"When Kepler found his long-cherished belief did not agree with the
most precise observation, he accepted the uncomfortable fact. He
preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions; that is the heart of
science."

Dr. Carl Sagan quotes (American Astronomer, Writer and Scientist,
1934-1996)

Johannes Kepler
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&...-8&sa=N&tab=gn

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...er&sa=N&tab=nw

http://www.google.com/search?q=Johan...&cat=gwd%2FTop

http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsea...Search+Blo gs

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Jo...TF-8&oe=UTF-8&
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"1 That religion & Philosophy are to be preserved distinct. We are not
to introduce divine revelations into Philosophy, nor philosophical
opinions into religion."
http://www.newtonproject.ic.ac.uk/te...ynes006_n.html


The Principia : Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy
(Paperback)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg.../-/0520088174/

by Isaac Newton, I. Bernard Cohen (Translator), Anne Whitman
(Translator)

Isaac Newton
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...dc955a5bf978a0

The Universe is endless.
Our tiny minds cannot get a handle on its size,
so we try to give it shapes and boundaries, all of which is folly.
====================
NO. IT IS CALLED 'MAYA' - an illusion.
======================
Big Bang theory leads us to think it's a sphere,
but it's not the best supported theory.
===========================
Einstein said,
"remember gentlemen, we have not proven that the Aether does not exist,
we have merely proven that we do not need it (for computations)"!
====================
The "Big Bang" is abstract hypothesis.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
(all elementary particles and all quarks and
their girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks,
all kinds of waves: electromagnetic, gravitational,
muons... gluons field ..... etc.) - was assembled in a "single
point".
It is interesting to think about what had surrounded the "single
point".
The answer is :
EMPTINESS- NOTHING....!!!
Ok!
But why does everyone speak about EMPTINESS- NOTHING in
common phrases rather than in specific, concrete terms?
I wonder why nobody has written down this EMPTINESS- NOTHING in
the form of a physical formula ? You see, every schoolboy knows that
is possible to express the EMPTINESS- NOTHING condition
by the formula T=0K.
* * *
Once there was a "Big Bang".
But in what space had the Big Bang taken place
and in what space was the matter of the Big Bang distributed?
Not in T=0K?
It is clear, that there is only EMPTINESS, NOTHING, in T=0K.
Now consider that the Universe, as an absolute frame of reference is
in a condition of T = 2,7K (rests relic radiation of the Big Bang
).
But, the relic radiation is extended and in the future will change and
decrease.
What temperature can this radiation reach?
Not T=0K?
Hence, if we go into the past or into the present or into the future,
we can not escape from EMPTINESS- NOTHING T=0K.
Therefore it is necessary to begin to think from T=0K.
===================
Just accept that it is endless T=0K and try to understand...IT.
=========
Can the Laws of Physics be Unified?
Yes.
Because :
" The Physics is first of all Vacuum ( T=0K ) "
From T=0K the physics begins.
From ô=0ë the religion begins.
From ô=0ë the philosophy begins.
From ô=0ë the psychology begins.
From ô=0ë the formation of stars begins.
From ô=0ë the Genesis begins.
============================

Mike Painter wrote:
Köi-Lö wrote:
snip
Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Sweet. I just consulted with the god Mercury and he says he does not obey
the laws of Kepler, Newton or your god.
He told me that those laws don't apply to him. Oddly enough he also said
that your GPS worships him.

;-).

The cretinists just don't seem to be able to comprehend that scientific
laws are descriptive and not prescriptive. I suspect it is because
their minds are programmed to accept without question what their source
of authority, preacher or buybull says. They see the word law used in
science and stupidly think that it means a hard rule laid down by some
sort of authority. Your example of Mercury is spot on because Newton's
"laws", fail to account for the details of Mercury's orbit.

Bill