China Telescopes

Hi,

Some products from China do indeed have significant value for the $.

As a matter of fact, compared to the low cost items out of Japan in
the 50's, the Chinese stuff can be down right nice.

Then there are the power tools at Harbor Freight but I won't go there.

Where is the best place to look for high end, lower priced
astronomical optics from China which I can buy in the U.S.A..

My dislike for labor camps using slave, child or convict labor ends
generally when I open my wallet.

In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
decorations for their biggest religious holiday.

Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
Iran, Iraq and Lybia.

Sorry for being this crass but I'm not going to buy at the highest
price in order to send a message to another country concerning how
they treat their people.

Sincerely,

Jim Klein
James E. Klein


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Jim Klein wrote:
Hi,

My dislike for labor camps using slave, child or convict labor ends
generally when I open my wallet.


Sorry for being this crass but I'm not going to buy at the highest
price in order to send a message to another country concerning how
they treat their people.


The true American ethic: what's in it for me?

I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
George W. Bush can do will stop them. They will stop when the people
in their country have had their limit of abuse.

I hope I did not say that I approved but go to your local hardware
store and check out the percentage of "Made in China" that you see.

So where is the high end, lower priced China astronomical optics for
sale ?

Jim

Bob Schmall wrote:

Jim Klein wrote:
Hi,

My dislike for labor camps using slave, child or convict labor ends
generally when I open my wallet.


Sorry for being this crass but I'm not going to buy at the highest
price in order to send a message to another country concerning how
they treat their people.


The true American ethic: what's in it for me?

James E. Klein


Engineering Calculations
http://www.ecalculations.com

Engineering Calculations is the home of
the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
for Windows.
1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
1-818-823-4121

Jim Klein wrote:
I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
George W. Bush can do will stop them.

Yeah, and he sure has tried, hasn't he? ;-)

"What do do" concerning buying Chinese gear can be hard to decide. I
tried to address the question some time back he

http://www.buytelescopes.com/container.asp?dest=/uncle_rod/archive2.htm

Be that as it may. If you want higher end stuff, look to Willaim Optics
(Taiwan). Their refractors (especially the 80s and 66es) are
astonishingly good as are their "UWAN" eyepieces. Numerous dealers sell
their gear, but you can for sure find it at:

http://www.buytelescopes.com

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of:
Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope
and
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:

In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
decorations for their biggest religious holiday.

Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
Iran, Iraq and Lybia.

As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
anything others would buy, just like China.

Mike Simmons

"RMOLLISE" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jim Klein wrote:
I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
George W. Bush can do will stop them.

Yeah, and he sure has tried, hasn't he? ;-)

"What do do" concerning buying Chinese gear can be hard to decide. I
tried to address the question some time back he

http://www.buytelescopes.com/container.asp?dest=/uncle_rod/archive2.htm

Be that as it may. If you want higher end stuff, look to Willaim Optics
(Taiwan). Their refractors (especially the 80s and 66es) are
astonishingly good as are their "UWAN" eyepieces. Numerous dealers sell
their gear, but you can for sure find it at:

http://www.buytelescopes.com

Peace,
Rod Mollise

Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???

NUKE them? Or, how about TALK to them about how WRONG this all is, for all
the bleeding-hear liberals present.

RIGHT???

THAT will help a LOT!!! Of course no one mentions that talking NEVER
helps... It just gives the BAD guys longer to do their thing... And THAT'S
why the UN is useless... They want to release doves, when all the scumbags
are murdering each other all AROUND them, and they make NO effort to stop
it... They just TALK about it... Which is exactly what all the bleeding
heart liberal Democrats want to do... They are demonstrably weak on
national security, or terrorists... They mostly want to hug a tree, or hug
a dove, or kiss.... Well... What THEY know, is blame Bush for EVERYTHING,
and that will make it all right... WRONG...

That's what it's all about now... Just bull**** politics...

The Republicans SUCK!!! RIGHT???

Well, I HATE what's been going on in politics the last few years, and the
Republicans are not what I would call MY party, though I AM a registered
Republican...

It's that the DEMOCRATS are NOTHING... They have NO program. They have NO
clue. They only hate REPUBLICANS...

Well, I don't exactly love Republicans, either, even though I AM one, but
the DEMOCRATS are SO much worse, that it makes me want to VOMIT whenever one
of them stands up and starts to babble about ANYTHING... It's like they
live on a different planet...

So THAT'S why I will be voting Republican, even though I HATE American
politics, and believe maybe it's time to just toss them ALL out, and try
starting all over... No matter HOW bad the Republicans may seem, they are
orders of MAGNITUDE better than the Democrats...

Eat your heart out Daniel Min...
--
Jan Owen

To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
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"Jan Owen" wrote in message
...
"RMOLLISE" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jim Klein wrote:
I dislike it too but they won't stop doing it and nothing you or I or
George W. Bush can do will stop them.

Yeah, and he sure has tried, hasn't he? ;-)

"What do do" concerning buying Chinese gear can be hard to decide. I
tried to address the question some time back he

http://www.buytelescopes.com/container.asp?dest=/uncle_rod/archive2.htm

Be that as it may. If you want higher end stuff, look to Willaim Optics
(Taiwan). Their refractors (especially the 80s and 66es) are
astonishingly good as are their "UWAN" eyepieces. Numerous dealers sell
their gear, but you can for sure find it at:

http://www.buytelescopes.com

Peace,
Rod Mollise

Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???

NUKE them? Or, how about TALK to them about how WRONG this all is, for
all the bleeding-hear liberals present.

RIGHT???

THAT will help a LOT!!! Of course no one mentions that talking NEVER
helps... It just gives the BAD guys longer to do their thing... And
THAT'S why the UN is useless... They want to release doves, when all the
scumbags are murdering each other all AROUND them, and they make NO effort
to stop it... They just TALK about it... Which is exactly what all the
bleeding heart liberal Democrats want to do... They are demonstrably weak
on national security, or terrorists... They mostly want to hug a tree, or
hug a dove, or kiss.... Well... What THEY know, is blame Bush for
EVERYTHING, and that will make it all right... WRONG...

That's what it's all about now... Just bull**** politics...

The Republicans SUCK!!! RIGHT???

Well, I HATE what's been going on in politics the last few years, and the
Republicans are not what I would call MY party, though I AM a registered
Republican...

It's that the DEMOCRATS are NOTHING... They have NO program. They have
NO clue. They only hate REPUBLICANS...

Well, I don't exactly love Republicans, either, even though I AM one, but
the DEMOCRATS are SO much worse, that it makes me want to VOMIT whenever
one of them stands up and starts to babble about ANYTHING... It's like
they live on a different planet...

So THAT'S why I will be voting Republican, even though I HATE American
politics, and believe maybe it's time to just toss them ALL out, and try
starting all over... No matter HOW bad the Republicans may seem, they are
orders of MAGNITUDE better than the Democrats...

Eat your heart out Daniel Min...
--
Jan Owen

To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
Latitude: 33.6
Longitude: -112.3
http://community.webshots.com/user/janowen21

Now that we know how you are going to vote, we are sending the boys to hunt
you down and get you.

"Jan Owen" wrote in news:k%R0h.2159$or7.873
@newsfe08.phx:

Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???

Put an embargo on all Chinese goods coming into the US. But, he won't keep
illegal aliens out, so why would he keep cheap goods out?

Mike Simmons wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:53:29 GMT, Jim Klein wrote:

In Pasadena, we have STATS, a store that sells Christmas decorations
in the fall (mostly all year). If there were no made in China
decorations there, the store would be virtually empty. Seems funny for
a communist country to be supplying a largely christian country with
decorations for their biggest religious holiday.

Guess it would be stranger if Jewish religious items we being made by
Iran, Iraq and Lybia.

As a Jew who's traveled extensively in Iran, and who just returned from
Iraq a couple weeks ago, I can tell you there are small but thriving Jewish
communities in both countries. Iran has the largest Jewish population in
the Middle East after Israel. And I'm sure both would manufacture and sell
anything others would buy, just like China.

Mike Simmons

I was thinking more along the lines of the national commerce thing.

My dad's grand mother was Jewish (jumped ship over love to become
Catholic) and I hope my post did not upset too many readers. Yes, This
Jim Klein has a relationship to the tribe even though I was raised as
a Catholic, a fact that has cause no end of confusion on my part and
everyone I know. Of course my little friends at Loyola Highschool
never let me forget it. "Kleinstein" I lived with for 4 years.

I could have said "Souix selling toy tin US soldiers" but my distant
relative Gustav Klein was a 7th Cav U.S. Soldier who died on June 25
,1876 in Montana at the Litlle Big Horn River, so that would have been
as tasteless. His name is on the monument.

I like the folks from China, at least all who I have known. It just
seemed strange, that the US has so many things for
sale here and at such low prices and that are made in China.

No one seems to want to admit that we are benefiting from the work of
slaves, kids and prisoners.

So where are the Takahashi copies ?

Jim

James E. Klein


Engineering Calculations
http://www.ecalculations.com

Engineering Calculations is the home of
the KDP-2 Optical Design Program
for Windows.
1-818-507-5706 (Voice and Fax)
1-818-823-4121

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Jan Owen" wrote in news:k%R0h.2159$or7.873
@newsfe08.phx:

Of course, the question would be, what *COULD* he (Bush) do???

Put an embargo on all Chinese goods coming into the US. But, he won't keep
illegal aliens out, so why would he keep cheap goods out?

....and the Democrats would send BUSES to pick UP the illegal aliens and
bring them in, and serve them lunch, and give them tax-payer paid BENEFITS,
in return for just for coming over illegally...

Oh... And if they can have a KID before they get caught and deported, the
KID becomes a CITIZEN!!!

And then this *citizen* gets to beg those same bleeding heart liberals to
let it's parents become citizens... For WHAT reason???

--
Jan Owen

To reach me directly, remove the Z, if one appears in my e-mail address...
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