ASTP question

Someone here once said that NASA's ASTP team struggled with the S-IB/Apollo
launch weight limitations. Apparently it was hard to accomodate the mass of
the docking module and its support mechanism while flying an appropriately
provisioned Apollo to the orbital inclination the mission required. Does
anyone know what the support structure weighed? Are there any pictures of
it?
J

Mr Jim wrote:
Someone here once said that NASA's ASTP team struggled with the S-IB/Apollo
launch weight limitations. Apparently it was hard to accomodate the mass of
the docking module and its support mechanism while flying an appropriately
provisioned Apollo to the orbital inclination the mission required. Does
anyone know what the support structure weighed? Are there any pictures of
it?
J

Here's what I've been able to find concerning pictures or illustrations

of the docking module support structure

ASTP Operational Data Book - Mission Mass Properties
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1973025080.pdf


Apollo-Soyuz Test Project Configuration
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/IMAGES/MEDIUM/0101489.jpg


APOLLO SOYUZ TEST PROJECT [ASTP] COSMONAUT PEERS THROUGH ACCESS HATCH
TRUSS
http://images.ksc.nasa.gov/photos/19...-75P-0134.html



Rusty

Mr Jim wrote:

Someone here once said that NASA's ASTP team struggled with the S-IB/Apollo
launch weight limitations. Apparently it was hard to accomodate the mass of
the docking module and its support mechanism while flying an appropriately
provisioned Apollo to the orbital inclination the mission required. Does
anyone know what the support structure weighed? Are there any pictures of
it?


If anyone would know, it would be OM; that's one of his favorite space
missions.

Pat

Rusty wrote:


Here's what I've been able to find concerning pictures or illustrations

of the docking module support structure



Seriously... how the _hell_ do you do this?
Someone asks a question, and inside of an hour you can find two or three
PDFs that give exactly what they were looking for.
What's your technique for pulling this wonderful stuff off?
Do you have sort of a master list of all the NASA PDFs that you search,
or what?
BTW- are all the ICBM webpages back up yet? I'm going throgh ICBM
withdrawl... my favorite is still the photo of the Atlas RV with the
"radiation hazard" sticker on the nose:
http://www.geocities.com/titan_1_mis...k4rv_Atlas.jpg
Yes... it's a hydrogen bomb... it actually presents a major radiation
hazard, particularly if you are within ten miles of its detonation
point. :-D

Awestruck, as usual - Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:
Rusty wrote:


Here's what I've been able to find concerning pictures or illustrations

of the docking module support structure



Seriously... how the _hell_ do you do this?
Someone asks a question, and inside of an hour you can find two or three
PDFs that give exactly what they were looking for.
What's your technique for pulling this wonderful stuff off?
Do you have sort of a master list of all the NASA PDFs that you search,
or what?

No, I just go to the NASA NTRS search engine and start typing in
keywords.

Having DSL helps.

BTW- are all the ICBM webpages back up yet? I'm going throgh ICBM
withdrawl... my favorite is still the photo of the Atlas RV with the
"radiation hazard" sticker on the nose:
http://www.geocities.com/titan_1_mis...k4rv_Atlas.jpg
Yes... it's a hydrogen bomb... it actually presents a major radiation
hazard, particularly if you are within ten miles of its detonation
point. :-D

Awestruck, as usual - Pat


Still working on restoring the last few websites.



Rusty

I was about to say that.

Cue seance .... Mr. OM, we need you now!

If anyone would know, it would be OM; that's one of his favorite space
missions.

Pat

Mr Jim wrote:
Someone here once said that NASA's ASTP team struggled with the S-IB/Apollo
launch weight limitations. Apparently it was hard to accomodate the mass of
the docking module and its support mechanism while flying an appropriately
provisioned Apollo to the orbital inclination the mission required. Does
anyone know what the support structure weighed? Are there any pictures of
it?
J


"International Rendezvous and Docking Mission" - 1971 study of a
possible
Apollo - Soyuz - Salyut mission by Rockwell.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1975067869.pdf



Pages 239 (3-102), 241 (3-104) have a diagram of the DM Support Truss
Assembly with and without the docking module.

From page 65 (1-48), the support truss (docking module cruciform
structure) 150 lbs (68 kg)

From page 66 (1-49), docking module predicted weight 3,360 lb (1,524
kg).



Rusty

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:42:57 -0500, "Ralph"
wrote:

If anyone would know, it would be OM; that's one of his favorite space
missions.

....Considering I've gotten word you killfiled me, I'm surprised you're
recommending me here, Patrick.

Cue seance .... Mr. OM, we need you now!

....Actually, Rusty's handling this one quite adeptly. However, I'll
see if I can't drag up the truss weight somewhere. I don't have that
off the top of my head right at the moment.

OM
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"Rusty" wrote in message
oups.com...

"International Rendezvous and Docking Mission" - 1971 study of a
possible
Apollo - Soyuz - Salyut mission by Rockwell.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1975067869.pdf



Pages 239 (3-102), 241 (3-104) have a diagram of the DM Support Truss
Assembly with and without the docking module.

From page 65 (1-48), the support truss (docking module cruciform
structure) 150 lbs (68 kg)

From page 66 (1-49), docking module predicted weight 3,360 lb (1,524
kg).


Rusty


Thanks so much!
J