The Amazing Holographic Universe By Michael Talbot

"Charles D. Bohne™" wrote:

The Amazing
Holographic Universe

By Michael Talbot
12-23-5

Big snip

nightbat

Officer Bohne please don't get taken in by the simulation sci fi
theory folks, I need my 1st Officer with both feet on the ground until
we hopefully blast off. Holograms are fun but we're the real deal never
forget it. I'm having enough trouble convincing Officer Luigi of the
same thing, for until you comparatively taste real pizza the rest is
simulation. Make sure you can always distinguish between real and " I
can't believe it's not butter ".

carry on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote

"Charles D. Bohne™" wrote:

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:02:04 -0500, nightbat
wrote:

until you comparatively taste real pizza the rest is
simulation. Make sure you can always distinguish between real and " I
can't believe it's not butter ".

Dear SeniorBat, The Nightbatâ„¢,

reality is what you accept for being "real" :-)
I would not mind having the whole PIZZA thingy brought
to me via all those flavor frequencies of the cosmic back-ground.
Especially not while knowing that it's "nothing but" such
frequencies that reach my brain .. :-)

Keep the good fight up!
Wonder how the SEANS celebrate their X-mas :-

Charles

nightbat

Boy do I miss New York pizza and excellent question Senior
Silver Officer Bohne let me ask my Sil how or if they celebrate any
holidays out in space. They do know about ours since they confirm
observing us for quite some time but do Seans do it too have any special
holidays in space?

carry on,
the nightbat

nightbat wrote

Twittering One wrote:

Wise words, bat.

nightbat

Thanks Officer beautiful Twitty and you're always welcome to
come stay at Indy Base One Station if you ever per Officer Double-A
emergency need to.

later sweet,
the nightbat

"nightbat" ha scritto nel messaggio
...

Officer Bohne please don't get taken in by the simulation sci fi
theory folks, I need my 1st Officer with both feet on the ground until
we hopefully blast off. Holograms are fun but we're the real deal never
forget it. I'm having enough trouble convincing Officer Luigi of the
same thing, for until you comparatively taste real pizza the rest is
simulation. Make sure you can always distinguish between real and " I
can't believe it's not butter ".

It's not butter, it's not bitter, but it's better...
:-)

Luigi Caselli

Probably late for this:

The real issue -
http://www.drchinese.com/David/EPR_Bell_Aspect.htm

This was the fundamental issue between Einstein and Bohr. The EPR
position is considered to have been soundly proven wrong - although the
implications are not palatable, not because "God does not play dice"
and not because "poor, dumb Einstein didn't get that the universe was
so strange" - but because it encourages the arrogance that we are all
little demiGods.

There are significant arguments against this philosophy, but debate is
rare because of arrogance, as far as I'm concerned.

The conclusions stated at the twm web site are good examples of that
arrogance. Connections are made without foundation and erroneously.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quantum consciousness, aka the latest I think therefore I am:
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/quantum.html

A good article, even if parts are mucky. In fact, a far better expose
of the conscious universe.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bell's Theorem:
http://drchinese.com/David/Bell_Theo...babilities.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some interesting notes on the players:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Aspect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Recommended books - The Tao of Physics and the Dancing Wu Li Masters
(althought the latter is slow reading at times).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chicago pizza is excellent. (I've never had one outside of Chicago,
despite countless claims to the contrary.) Chicago Silician pizza is
even better.

Genuine pizza is usually made with leftovers. I don't like genuine
pizza all that much - the Americanizations are better (spoken like an
American).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That the universe can't exist without us is a form of tyranny.
Aristotlean thought is another form of tyranny.

According to the unspoken tenet of the "we are all Gods" view - the
universe never existed and does not exist because we were never there
to cause the multiplicity of quantum interactions before our existence.
This is obviously untrue, but leads to the arguments that we *did*
exist, we are the aliens, they seeded us, Intelligent Design is true,
and all sorts of other goose stuffing.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Life's just a game, you fly your paper plane, there is no end.

Pearl

"Thunderclap Newman since 1992."

Earl Dombroski wrote:
Probably late for this:

The real issue -
http://www.drchinese.com/David/EPR_Bell_Aspect.htm

This was the fundamental issue between Einstein and Bohr. The EPR
position is considered to have been soundly proven wrong - although the
implications are not palatable, not because "God does not play dice"
and not because "poor, dumb Einstein didn't get that the universe was
so strange" - but because it encourages the arrogance that we are all
little demiGods.

There are significant arguments against this philosophy, but debate is
rare because of arrogance, as far as I'm concerned.

The conclusions stated at the twm web site are good examples of that
arrogance. Connections are made without foundation and erroneously.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quantum consciousness, aka the latest I think therefore I am:
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/quantum.html

A good article, even if parts are mucky. In fact, a far better expose
of the conscious universe.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bell's Theorem:
http://drchinese.com/David/Bell_Theo...babilities.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some interesting notes on the players:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Aspect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Recommended books - The Tao of Physics and the Dancing Wu Li Masters
(althought the latter is slow reading at times).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chicago pizza is excellent. (I've never had one outside of Chicago,
despite countless claims to the contrary.) Chicago Silician pizza is
even better.

Genuine pizza is usually made with leftovers. I don't like genuine
pizza all that much - the Americanizations are better (spoken like an
American).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That the universe can't exist without us is a form of tyranny.
Aristotlean thought is another form of tyranny.

According to the unspoken tenet of the "we are all Gods" view - the
universe never existed and does not exist because we were never there
to cause the multiplicity of quantum interactions before our existence.
This is obviously untrue, but leads to the arguments that we *did*
exist, we are the aliens, they seeded us, Intelligent Design is true,
and all sorts of other goose stuffing.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Life's just a game, you fly your paper plane, there is no end.

Pearl

"Thunderclap Newman since 1992."
A very fine hurl, Earl!

... will take some time to digest this.

In the interim ....

... - but because it encourages the arrogance that we are all
little demiGods. ...
But of course ...
... why would anyone expect it to be otherwise!




Keep well. Seasoned greetings ...

RL

Raving Loonie wrote:
A very fine hurl, Earl!

I'm betting it was a tossup between the Thunderclap Newman and he
Chicago pizza.

... will take some time to digest this.

Avoid the anchovies!!!!

In the interim ....

... - but because it encourages the arrogance that we are all
little demiGods. ...
But of course ...
... why would anyone expect it to be otherwise!




Keep well. Seasoned greetings ...

Backatcha!

PearlyMon

Earl Dombroski wrote:
Probably late for this:

The real issue -
http://www.drchinese.com/David/EPR_Bell_Aspect.htm
Nibbling away, here ...

From the above reference ....

' ... Determinism fails if the speed of light is respected. ... '

Or is it ...

' Determinism ' is set/limited/fixed to the speed of light ?

RL

Raving Loonie wrote:
Earl Dombroski wrote:
Probably late for this:

The real issue -
http://www.drchinese.com/David/EPR_Bell_Aspect.htm
Nibbling away, here ...

From the above reference ....

' ... Determinism fails if the speed of light is respected. ... '

Or is it ...

' Determinism ' is set/limited/fixed to the speed of light ?

Geez, RL - what an electrifyingly excellent question!

Given that c is best thought of as a conversion factor, it smacks of
determinism, doesn't it?

It leads to determinism fails if determinism is respected.

I can only respond that perhaps Bohr's greatest moment of genius was in
discovering and defining the principle of complimentarity - a great
truth is a truth whose opposite is also a great truth. And as I always
like to point out when on this subject, when asked what the
complimentarity of truth itself was, Bohr replied, beauty.

Pearl

"Accidents since 1992."

Earl Dombroski wrote:


Given that c is best thought of as a conversion factor, it smacks of
determinism, doesn't it?



It leads to determinism fails if determinism is respected.
The king is dead!
Long live the king!