Go To Mars?

There is the possibility of life on Mars. Should we send a SSTP
(Single Stage To the Planets) to Mars not knowing what kind of
reception awaits?

Take a close look at this picture from the Spirit Rover Sol 633
Navigation Camera. This picture is on a JPL site for the Mars Rovers.
It is their picture that they posted, not mine.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...2561246ESFAEVO...


What do you think?


tomcat

tomcat wrote:
There is the possibility of life on Mars. Should we send a SSTP
(Single Stage To the Planets) to Mars not knowing what kind of
reception awaits?

Take a close look at this picture from the Spirit Rover Sol 633
Navigation Camera. This picture is on a JPL site for the Mars Rovers.
It is their picture that they posted, not mine.

This is a corrected URL. Sorry about the other one, but this one
should work.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...OP1560L0M1.JPG


What do you think?


tomcat

tomcat wrote:
There is the possibility of life on Mars. Should we send a SSTP
(Single Stage To the Planets) to Mars not knowing what kind of
reception awaits?

Take a close look at this picture from the Spirit Rover Sol 633
Navigation Camera. This picture is on a JPL site for the Mars Rovers.
It is their picture that they posted, not mine.

This is a corrected URL. Sorry about the other one, but this one
should work.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...OP1560L0M1.JPG


What do you think?

Excitement bubbling here............ but I would really like to see a high
res shot of that area before celebrating! Is it just you and I who see
multiple objects perhaps not from nature in that shot? It's late and I'm
tired - guess I'll wake up to some rational guesses in about 8 hours? We'll
see!

sc

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tomcat wrote:
There is the possibility of life on Mars. Should we send a SSTP
(Single Stage To the Planets) to Mars not knowing what kind of
reception awaits?

Take a close look at this picture from the Spirit Rover Sol 633
Navigation Camera. This picture is on a JPL site for the Mars Rovers.
It is their picture that they posted, not mine.

This is a corrected URL. Sorry about the other one, but this one
should work.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...OP1560L0M1.JPG


What do you think?


tomcat


What are we supposed to be look at? I don't see anything.

Katipo wrote:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...OP1560L0M1.JPG

What are we supposed to be look at? I don't see anything.


You need to 'right click' your mouse on the picture, select 'save as',
download the picture, put it in wang, kodak, or someother picture
software, and blow the picture up by about 300%.

You should see an earthen wall around what 'looks like' water with a
boulder in the middle. To the right of that will be a building, at
least 2 stories high, looking alot like a community center.

To the right of that will be houses with roofs, without enlargement
they could be mistaken for white boulders mysteriously lined up, and
yet further to the right will be 'paths' leading to geometrical
circular areas that might contain a house or perhaps they are just
little parks.

On the left of the earthen wall there is a geometrical area containing
white things that might be anything from small huts to grave markers.
They are arranged in an unnatural geometrical formation.

The resolution is too poor to attempt to make out 'beings' or 'people'.
Just what this means, I don't know, except that there are either
Martians, Beings from some other planet or star system, or People from
England, Russia, France, China, or some other country. Maybe it is a
USAF base. Who knows?

It may simply mean that the U.S. is woefully behind in the Space Race.


tomcat

SC wrote:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...OP1560L0M1.JPG


Excitement bubbling here............ but I would really like to see a high
res shot of that area before celebrating! Is it just you and I who see
multiple objects perhaps not from nature in that shot? It's late and I'm
tired - guess I'll wake up to some rational guesses in about 8 hours? We'll
see!



When enlarged those 'white boulder looking things' appear to be . . .
houses. Even the roofs show up with a hint of an occasional window.
There is also, next to the pond with a boulder in it, what appears to
be a large 'community center' or 'factory' or 'operations building'.
It is several stories high.

Whatever they are they are not natural objects. There is too much
symmetry, and the 'earthen wall', surrounding the water-like substance
with the boulder in it, appears to be 'constructed', not natural. This
is very evident with a 300% enlargement.


tomcat

if its true JPL would of had a BIG press release.

Why no publicity?

tomcat,
This is a perfectly good image that PhotoShop of even 3:1 which yields
a 9 fold increase in pixels is suggesting that once upon a time there
could have been other life involved with what looks shelter and a bit
community like.
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...OP1560L0M1.JPG

What's the image scale?

However, thermal imaging and/or any number of other viable and easily
obtained spectrum readings upon this same area have not given any
signature of other than being of whatever's sub-frozen to death life
that may have once upon a time coexisted.

Even our robotic Mars-Rovers should be thermally detectable as being of
an artificial substance. Satellite IR imaging has NOT afforded so much
as 1 K worth of any m2 by m2 thermal differentials. Thus, if there's
any significant other Mars life to behold, it's extremely cold-blooded
life and having been rather TBI proof as well, not to mention having to
be impact proof since that thin atmosphere isn't hardly worth slowing
anything down.

The artificial looking patterns and community like infrastructure upon
Venus puts even this Mars image to shame, and that's too gosh darn bad
since it's better than 100:1 easier for getting robotics into the Venus
environment than it involves for doing Mars. You can't possibly operate
any robotic rigid-airship expedition with respect to Mars. Mars sucks
most of the life out of just about anything, including robotics, and
it's certainly time and resource consuming as well as damn spendy to
accomplish at that.

However, you're perfectly correct about using whatever PhotoShop
methods, and of the 'unsharp mask' plus similar photo-processing
filters, especially if you exceed a 4:1 enlargement factor.

Don't expect folks to see whatever it is that you see, especially the
intellectually bigoted individuals that are most often only
contributing in this topic in order to bash whatever's outside of their
mainstream box. Personally I believe that this image as well as dozens
of others suggest a high degree of there once upon a time being other
life on Mars, of somewhat a small stature (Dropa/Dzopa like) souls that
may have dug in (the deeper the better) when their going got tough.
Thus little of surface thermal signatures would have become the norm,
although other out-gassing should still be giving them away.
~

Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

tomcat wrote:
SC wrote:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...OP1560L0M1.JPG



Excitement bubbling here............ but I would really like to see a high
res shot of that area before celebrating! Is it just you and I who see
multiple objects perhaps not from nature in that shot? It's late and I'm
tired - guess I'll wake up to some rational guesses in about 8 hours? We'll
see!




When enlarged those 'white boulder looking things' appear to be . . .
houses. Even the roofs show up with a hint of an occasional window.
There is also, next to the pond with a boulder in it, what appears to
be a large 'community center' or 'factory' or 'operations building'.
It is several stories high.

Whatever they are they are not natural objects. There is too much
symmetry, and the 'earthen wall', surrounding the water-like substance
with the boulder in it, appears to be 'constructed', not natural. This
is very evident with a 300% enlargement.


tomcat

Sorry to burst your bubble, but all that stuff just looks like soil
mashed up by Spirit's wheels in the foreground, where it's done a bit of
zigging and zagging about.

Mars sucks
most of the life out of just about anything, including robotics, and
it's certainly time and resource consuming as well as damn spendy to
accomplish at that.

Somhow spirit and opportunity are doing well, considering you think
they have the life sucked out of them