ESA says "Non/nein/nuncai" to Russia on Kliper partnership

Has Russia committed any significant amount of its own money to this
project?
It seems to me that Perminov was counting on European and Japanese partners
to fund Kliper. Is there any conceivable way that Putin will provide the
funds
from the federal budget? Or is this ESA refusal a major setback to the
project?

"The European Space Agency has received 97% of the funding it requested from
its member states for the next five years, following a top-level meeting in
Berlin, Germany. The only major programme to be cut from the budget was the
development of a Russian space plane called the Kliper."
http://www.newscientist.com/article....ine-news_rss20

Jim Oberg wrote:
Has Russia committed any significant amount of its own money to this
project?
It seems to me that Perminov was counting on European and Japanese partners
to fund Kliper. Is there any conceivable way that Putin will provide the
funds
from the federal budget? Or is this ESA refusal a major setback to the
project?

"The European Space Agency has received 97% of the funding it requested from
its member states for the next five years, following a top-level meeting in
Berlin, Germany. The only major programme to be cut from the budget was the
development of a Russian space plane called the Kliper."
http://www.newscientist.com/article....ine-news_rss20

You really should try credible sources for this stuff, what next the
national enquirer.

The real news from the recent funding is that ESA has almost tripled
it's budget for Space programs. Trust you to focus on the a single
unimportant detail.

The real news from the recent funding is that ESA has almost tripled
it's budget for Space programs.

Noway and unfortunately.
The budget has increased by 2.5%, just enough to overcome the economic
inflation of hardware elements.

In fact the priority of human spaceflight, especially in France and
Italy, two major contributors, is close to zero. The stated objective
of CNES, the French space agency, for instance, is the robotic
exploration of Mars. This time Germany managed to prevent a major cut
in the European human spaceflight budget, which is entirely devoted to
ISS, by threatening not to support Ariane at the expected level.
Germany is the last supporter of human spaceflight left in Europe
because Columbus and ATV are assembled there. Kliper was not part of
the deal and got nixed.

AZT Clone

Well as far as Klipper is concerned, an agreement is to be voted within
June, if we believe Dordain (ESA).

On 9 Dec 2005 09:54:25 -0800, wrote:

In fact the priority of human spaceflight, especially in France and
Italy, two major contributors, is close to zero.

Yet Italy not only suppost ISS as part of ESA, it also independently
works with the US on the MPLMs and Nodes. Sounds a lot more than
"zero" priority to me.

Brian

Well MPLM and Nodes have been decided in the nineties by Italy, a long
time ago. ISS is passé for them, their priorities are Vega (the
launcher) and Exploration, namely ExoMars.

In message
Brian Thorn wrote:

On 9 Dec 2005 09:54:25 -0800, wrote:

In fact the priority of human spaceflight, especially in France and
Italy, two major contributors, is close to zero.

Yet Italy not only suppost ISS as part of ESA, it also independently
works with the US on the MPLMs and Nodes. Sounds a lot more than
"zero" priority to me.

However, virtually all the Italian stand-alone activity involves Alenia
who have a long-standing interest in space stations. Government
involvement there may at least partly be an artifact of NASA not dealing
with anyone other than other national space agencies.

Anthony

In sci.space.policy Jim Oberg wrote:
Has Russia committed any significant amount of its own money to this
project?
It seems to me that Perminov was counting on European and Japanese partners
to fund Kliper. Is there any conceivable way that Putin will provide the
funds
from the federal budget? Or is this ESA refusal a major setback to the
project?

"The European Space Agency has received 97% of the funding it requested from
its member states for the next five years, following a top-level meeting in
Berlin, Germany. The only major programme to be cut from the budget was the
development of a Russian space plane called the Kliper."
http://www.newscientist.com/article....ine-news_rss20
... it's not "not", it's "mayby next time". They will back to talks
after two years (IMHO). Regards
Adam Przybyla

Adam Przybyla wrote:
In sci.space.policy Jim Oberg wrote:
Has Russia committed any significant amount of its own money to this
project?
It seems to me that Perminov was counting on European and Japanese partners
to fund Kliper. Is there any conceivable way that Putin will provide the
funds
from the federal budget? Or is this ESA refusal a major setback to the
project?

"The European Space Agency has received 97% of the funding it requested from
its member states for the next five years, following a top-level meeting in
Berlin, Germany. The only major programme to be cut from the budget was the
development of a Russian space plane called the Kliper."
http://www.newscientist.com/article....ine-news_rss20
... it's not "not", it's "mayby next time". They will back to talks
after two years (IMHO). Regards
Adam Przybyla

I think this actually means NO. If its such a low priority, it won't
happen.

There is a chance that Russia might fund it directly. They are
receiveing huge subsidies from American motorists, and not all of this
is being spent on Iranian nucelar programs.