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Old May 7th 05, 01:31 PM
Double-A
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wrote:
There is a guy named Mavis on a space ship. The space ship is at

rest
and he measures the ship to be "60m" long. The ship then accelerates
to a speed of "0.8c", where "c" is the speed of light. Now, due to
relativity Mavis will no longer measure the ship to be "60m".

Instead,
the length of the ship as measured by Mavis will be longer than

"60m".

I'm sure you are all familiar with the equation

"l =3D 1/y * l_o"

where
"l" is the length of the space ship at rest and equals "60m"
"l_o" is the length of the ship travelling at "0.8c" as measured by
Mavis
"y" equals "1/sqrt(1-v=B2/c=B2)"

Now "1/y" equals "0.6".

So "l_0" equals "100m".



No, l_0 =3D l(sqrt(1-v=B2/c=B2)).
So l_0 =3D (60m)(0.6) =3D 36m.

So it becomes shorter to an observer who it is moving relative to.


Now, Mavis can measure the ship in various ways. If he measures the
space ship using light signals he will find that the ship is "100m"
long. However, if he measures the ship with a ruler he will find

that
the ship measures "60m". The reason why the ship hasn't expanded

when
measured with a ruler is because the ruler *itself* has also

expanded!


No. If he uses either light signals or a ruler, he will still measure
60m to him.


This leads to the Big Question:

the Big Question #1: Does this not contradict Einstein's first
postulate, the Principle of Relativity, which states that "the laws

of
physics are the same in every inertial frame of reference." Because
obviously if Mavis can figure out what velocity the ship is

travelling
at then there must be an absolute frame of reference, that is, a

frame
of reference from which to measure the velocity of the ship.



He cannot figure out the velocity of the ship by measuring anything on
board the ship.


Here's another way of looking at it:

We all are familiar with the fact that "relativistic mass" and "rest
mass" are related by the following equation:

"m_r =3D y * m"

where
"m_r" is the "relativistic mass"
"m" is the "rest mass"
"y" equals "1/sqrt(1-v=B2/c=B2)"

Let's say that we have a brick on a scale on the Earth. Right now it
weighs "3 kg". Now, what if by some extraordinary spacial event that
the Earth was sent out into space accelerating till is acquired a
velocity of "0.8c". Now, the relativistic mass of the brick will be

"5
kg". The scale will definetely weigh the brick to be more than "3

kg"!


No scale on the ship will weigh the brick at more than 3 kg. Only if
the brick were to hit something that was stationary relative to its
0=2E8c speed would it hit with an energy as though it weighed 5 kg.


We again return to the Big Question:

the Big Question: Does this not contradict Einstein's first

postulate,
the Principle of Relativity, which states that "the laws of physics

are
the same in every inertial frame of reference." Because obviously if
Mavis can figure out what velocity the ship is travelling at then

there
must be an absolute frame of reference, that is, a frame of reference
from which to measure the velocity of the ship.
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No. Einstein's postulate is never violated in this example.

Double-A

 




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