Another Shuttle Problem

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...504170335/1007

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...504170335/1007


Well I'm sure a 1 in 10,000 chance of disaster is considered tame odds
indeed for those used playing with odds of 1 in 50 of not coming back
in one piece.

Double-A

On 17 Apr 2005 03:14:05 -0700
"Double-A" wrote:


Ray Vingnutte wrote:

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...504170335/1007


Well I'm sure a 1 in 10,000 chance of disaster is considered tame odds
indeed for those used playing with odds of 1 in 50 of not coming back
in one piece.

Yeah, but they talking about frayed wiring, failing transistors, I mean
reading that would you get on it ;-) I know you can't go by all what one
reads but really you know....geesh.



Double-A

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On 17 Apr 2005 03:14:05 -0700
"Double-A" wrote:


Ray Vingnutte wrote:

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...504170335/1007


Well I'm sure a 1 in 10,000 chance of disaster is considered tame odds
indeed for those used playing with odds of 1 in 50 of not coming back
in one piece.

Double-A


Ray
Yeah, but they talking about frayed wiring, failing transistors, I mean
reading that would you get on it ;-) I know you can't go by all what one
reads but really you know....geesh.


nightbat

Sounds like Bert's usual Nasa penny wise pound foolish scenario.

the nightbat

Hi Ray,and nightbat Tiles not staying on number one reason those 21
NASA engineers quit. Next was old wiring and plumbing. Has NASA taken
off those heat shield tiles to make sure the crazy glue holding them
down has not had a physical change. Glue has a tendency to break down
over time. Insulation around wires dries out and peels off over time.
Fixing cracked pipes with a weld is not as good as replacing them. Well
no NASA executive,or politician will be on the Discovery.They are to
busy counting their billions. They found a poor mother of two to do what
they would never have the guts to do.(Fly on a Rube Goldberg killer
Shuttle) Reality is when these Shuttles explode they would not even
bend over to pick up a piece. Bert

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Ray,and nightbat Tiles not staying on number one reason those 21
NASA engineers quit. Next was old wiring and plumbing. Has NASA taken
off those heat shield tiles to make sure the crazy glue holding them
down has not had a physical change. Glue has a tendency to break down
over time. Insulation around wires dries out and peels off over time.
Fixing cracked pipes with a weld is not as good as replacing them.
Well
no NASA executive,or politician will be on the Discovery.They are to
busy counting their billions. They found a poor mother of two to do
what
they would never have the guts to do.(Fly on a Rube Goldberg killer
Shuttle) Reality is when these Shuttles explode they would not even
bend over to pick up a piece. Bert

http://tinyurl.com/cxlp6

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
On 17 Apr 2005 03:14:05 -0700
"Double-A" wrote:


Ray Vingnutte wrote:


http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...504170335/1007


Well I'm sure a 1 in 10,000 chance of disaster is considered tame
odds
indeed for those used playing with odds of 1 in 50 of not coming
back
in one piece.

Yeah, but they talking about frayed wiring, failing transistors, I
mean
reading that would you get on it ;-) I know you can't go by all what
one
reads but really you know....geesh.



Double-A



These are aging craft, in service a lot longer than anyone would have
expected. They use 8088 chips such as were used in the original IBM PC
back in the 80's.

Such things as metal fatigue set in after a while. Reminds me of some
of the airliners I've flown, that rattled and shook during takeoff, and
when they applied the brakes while taxiing, it sounded like their break
pads were gone. Many airliners have been in service way too long too.
I remember that one airliner where the top blew off the plane!

No I wouldn't go up on the Space Shuttle. That system of tiles was a
novel design. There was no tried and true history of using tiles on
planes. When you try something untested, you have no idea what the
hazards will be. And now we have seen that tile system fail
catastrophically!

Double-A

"Double-A" wrote in message
oups.com...
That system of tiles was a
novel design. There was no tried and true history of using tiles on
planes. When you try something untested, you have no idea what the
hazards will be. And now we have seen that tile system fail
catastrophically!

Which is why we need to keep in mind that the shuttle is an experimental
vehicle. It can't be compared to a commercial airliner.


--
BV
http://www.iheartmypond.com

Hi BV,and Double-A Now that NASA knows the weak points of the
Shuttle(40 years ) it needs a Feynman of today to get the people of NASA
to do the right thing. After the Challenger cover up it was Feynman who
could not be intimidated that brought the truth to light. I have done
everything I could to show that NASA'executives think like the
Mafia.(they could be the Mafia.) NASA still has some great
engineers,but the sad part is the very best have quit. Why would they
leave a very good paying,and prestigious job? Reason is the Shuttle is
a killer,and had to many deadly flaws. A rocket,and its ship can be
made simple and very safe. The Shuttle was over engineered from the
start,and its complex structure had to many weak parts. To much to go
wrong. No escape hatch. No way to have time to see or fix a problem.
The best you could hope for was you were killed instantly. Sad
part is those on the Challenger did not die until the Shuttle hit the
water. Bert

On 17 Apr 2005 12:33:50 -0700
"Double-A" wrote:


Ray Vingnutte wrote:
On 17 Apr 2005 03:14:05 -0700
"Double-A" wrote:


Ray Vingnutte wrote:


http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...504170335/1007


Well I'm sure a 1 in 10,000 chance of disaster is considered tame
odds
indeed for those used playing with odds of 1 in 50 of not coming
back
in one piece.

Yeah, but they talking about frayed wiring, failing transistors, I
mean
reading that would you get on it ;-) I know you can't go by all what
one
reads but really you know....geesh.



Double-A



These are aging craft, in service a lot longer than anyone would have
expected. They use 8088 chips such as were used in the original IBM
PC back in the 80's.

You jest surely, they must have built in a way of upgrading such a
simple thing as a cpu and or motherboard.


Such things as metal fatigue set in after a while. Reminds me of some
of the airliners I've flown, that rattled and shook during takeoff,
and when they applied the brakes while taxiing, it sounded like their
break pads were gone. Many airliners have been in service way too
long too. I remember that one airliner where the top blew off the
plane!

Airliners are on the go sort of 24/7 though, how often does a shuttle
fly compared to your average passenger plane (rhetorical)


No I wouldn't go up on the Space Shuttle. That system of tiles was a
novel design. There was no tried and true history of using tiles on
planes. When you try something untested, you have no idea what the
hazards will be. And now we have seen that tile system fail
catastrophically!

Lets hope all goes well then, if it does then servicing hubble if the
next flights go without a hitch will be considered.


Double-A