New improved facts part 1v033

Vacuum, Velocity, Gravity and the Speed of light.

*************** Simplified *****************

The following are simple provable or logically deducible facts

a) The speed of light (SOL) is measured constant in vacuum and also in any
given medium. Its speed in vacuum is given the designator c.
b) From a) we can also state that the velocity of the measuring equipment
is zero with respect to(wrt) the light under measurement if the measurement
is c. If that is the case the velocity of the vacuum will also be zero
unless in a two way measurement there is a velocity discrepancy between
the two paths. For future use the measuring equipment frame velocity will be
assigned the variable fv and the vacuum velocity the variable vv.
This is to allow for any offset which may need to be calculated in or out.
c) The SOL is independent of the velocity of the source as concluding
otherwise would require the SOL to be dependant on the velocity of the
source which experiments and logic have concluded it is not.
Any Doppler shift due to relative motion at a or frequency shift at b fig 1
need to be considered if evaluating relative velocities.
There are three dilectrics that the SOL has to be constant in to comply
with a) if observing a star and calculating relative velocities.
Dielectric of the source = (ds). Of the intevening space/vacuum = (dv)
Of the observer = (do)

a b
Point(p) (ds)( dv )(do) fig1

If (ds),(dv) and (do) have no velocities with respect to each other (the
norm.) then, if any disturbances caused by the gravity of (ds) and (do)
are calculated out, (do) will observer source (ds) spectral signature(ss)
essentially as it was transmitted. If on the other hand (ds) has a velocity
relative to (dv)+(do) then this will be shown by the (ss) showing a
deviation from the norm when observed by (do). In the case of (ds)
and (dv) have no relative velocity and the velocity diferential being in
(dv) (do) then (ss) will be changed by this velocity.
In another case (ds) and (do) have no velocity wrt each other but have
a velocity wrt (dv), this more difficult to measure particularly from (do)
with only (ds) as a reference.
So for this measurement we need to rotate (ds) and (do)
round a some distant point (p) so their angular velocities have a
significant difference but they are in line on a line drawn from the axis
of rotation(p). The other requirement is that there are many other
objects in (dv) to lock its velocity by dependency to these other objects
and so give references for the vacuum velocity.
Using the observed deviation by (do) from the source (ds) on the inner obit
about the point, as a reference against the observed deviation from sources
from the clock and anticlock directions, the velocity of (do) can be
calculated wrt (dv).
d) The conclusion from this is that the constacy of c is maintained
by referencing itself to the vacuum velocity in which its being carried in.
This indicates that the vacuum can have n number of velocities and that they
can be deduced from the velocity of c. It needs to be clearly understood
that the vacuum accommodates its velocity to the dominant velocity of
dominant matter and/or dominant field in its local area. With the area
being defined by the strength and type of effect.
e) The observer can from observation of the deviation frequency (spectral
shift) of light with a known frequency, determine their velocity with
respect to the vacuum and other sources with respect to the vacuum by a
spectrophotometer and *computation*, in most cases. The CMBR can
also give a good indication as to observer velocity wrt the local vacuum
velocity with careful measurement but the effect of the observer and their
equipment on the vacuum state needs to be carefully considered.
f) Many of the examples posted to this group and in establishment books fail
to take account of the above facts and can be misleading both in concept and
formulation. Also many of the past formulae are inappropriately applied
and have been bringing these formulae into disrepute but correctly applied
in the situations for which they were intended they should normally present
no problems.

Aberration
It has been put forward that the apparent leading of a stars position in
some way discredits the above facts but this is brought about by the
misunderstanding of this effect and its mistaken association with refractive
index. In the refractive index situation its a case of an energy front
spread over a particle based area being transferred to another particle
based area with the wave having to surmount the energy state change that
exists between any two particle based materials. the direction of this event
is to introduce negative incidence into the wave path. In the case of vacuum
to atmosphere the incidence is positive as the mechanism is different. As
the ray of light coming from the star interacts with a molecule in the upper
atmosphere the atoms of the molecule absorbs the radiation from the star and
emits it to the next molecules atoms the main vector of this emission
is the vector sum of the light ray from the star and the velocity of the
atoms of the molecule.
This results in a lead to the observed position and a positive angle.

Gravity
The examination of gravity as an asymmetric electrical force is detailed
below. If we assume for a moment that electrically neutral as a measurement
of an atoms state is a mis-measurement and the residual potential imbalance
is in fact displayed as gravitational attraction and see how this might be
brought about. It would appear that between two identical atoms the
potential difference is zero and so provide no mechanism for attraction or
repulsion but between three or more atoms the mechanism is fairly clear.
Between two atoms the sum of their potential differences rationale to 1 is
+2-2= 0 so the field surrounding this pair appears to be zero but in more
detail it is a field that falls to zero at some point and sums to +2 at
another and -2 at another if another particle then interacts with the
original pair the relationship is +2 attracting -1 and -2 attracting +1 the
dynamics of the situation means that between three or more particles the
potential differential is always attractive as this follows an increasing
path and so becomes stronger whereas the repulsive force follows a
decreasing path and always becomes weaker. This resulting attractive
field differential is quite small but sums with values of the particles to
produce gravity.
For example if we take three electrons and three positron and take one of
the electrons and rotate it round its anti particle to prevent conversion to
radiation by mutual annihilation and do the same with the other four
particles we have three neutral systems that will follow the mechanism
detailed above re potential differences.
The dynamics of the systems tend to ensure that the slower element
of the potential of the three systems tends to insert itself as a repulsive
mediator to ensure that the systems don't interact in a destructive way.

Pair rotating round x producing neutral skin made of two charge states.

-++- x +--+ (-2+2) + (+2-2) = 0

Three rotating pairs attracting.

-++- x +--+ (-2+2) + (+2-2) = a
(-2+2) + (+2-2) = c -++- x +--+
-++- x +--+ (-2+2) + (+2-2) = b
a+bc so a+b is more positive and negative than c so a+b attracts c

Voltage example

The pair The singleton
+2v | relative to +1v +2v is +1v more positive so +1v is -1v with
| +1v respect to +2v which mean that the two fields will attract
0v |
| -1v and the same applies -1v and -2v as -1v is +1v more
-2v | positive than -2v the fields will attract.

Below is an early first attempt to rationalize the above postion of gravity
as a potential difference and attempt to include strong, weak and
magnetic forces.
and shown as an aspect of the same force but of a more complex nature.
The position is that the Newtonian and Coulomb laws in the above respect are
correct but incomplete.

Under development :-)

Fg = Gn ((m1+m2)*m3/r^2)

M = Fc = kn ((q1+q2)*q3/r^2) = E/c^2

See sci.physics.relativity for the full series under development.
Try and include your opinion at no charge :-) if it has sufficient potential
:-)

(ds) is squishy because of near-field effects

( dv ) is squishy because of all the matter that might be
contained and
the relative motion therein.


(do) is squishy because of near-field effects

So your electrodymanics has adaquate squishiyness to
resolve both postulates of SR.

Your "gravity" section looks vaguely like something I saw in thread
with myself (Sue) and Ken S. Tucker. The mention of the number
4.17 x x 10^42 seems to have caused both parties to run like
scalded dogs. The hasty retreat may have been just simple
deferance to the tenacity of the Brits. ;-)

Sue...
This is a colossal number!
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...es/node25.html

"Sue..." wrote in message
oups.com...
(ds) is squishy because of near-field effects
( dv ) is squishy because of all the matter that might be
contained and the relative motion therein.
(do) is squishy because of near-field effects
So your electrodymanics has adaquate squishiyness to
resolve both postulates of SR.
dr
Thank for coming back Sue I thought my Brit. focus might have offended you.
Your input is valued, I like the new name 'electrodymanics' very
appropriate.:-)
Just changed the oil on the car etc. When you torque up the drain plug and
know that if you don't do it right you will either screw off the thread or
leave it lose so it vibrates out then you feel the torque in your wallet.:-)
and it cut right to your soul :-) and you understand much :-)
s
Your "gravity" section looks vaguely like something I saw in thread
with myself (Sue) and Ken S. Tucker.
dr
This is really yours and Ken's work as far as I can tell, I have just
interpreted it I hope correctly.
s
The mention of the number
4.17 x x 10^42 seems to have caused both parties to run like
scalded dogs.
dr
I dont remember that number at the moment.?
s
The hasty retreat may have been just simple
deferance to the tenacity of the Brits. ;-)
dr
Sorry about the bulldog woof it just my nature and means no harm.
Sue...
This is a colossal number!
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...es/node25.html

dr
Thank for coming back Sue I thought my Brit. focus might have offended
you.
Your input is valued, I like the new name 'electrodymanics' very
appropriate.:-)

s
Oh ... I don't mind sharing some credit for the term. Perhaps Maxwell,
Einstein, Weber and a few other are due a tiny bit of recognition. ;-)

d
Just changed the oil on the car etc. When you torque up the drain plug
and
know that if you don't do it right you will either screw off the thread
or
leave it lose so it vibrates out then you feel the torque in your
wallet.:-)
and it cut right to your soul :-) and you understand much :-)

s

Your "gravity" section looks vaguely like something I saw in thread
with myself (Sue) and Ken S. Tucker

dr
This is really yours and Ken's work as far as I can tell, I have just
interpreted it I hope correctly.
s
As always... If it blows the roof off your house, send the lawyers
to see Ken S. Tucker. I wouldn't even know how to pick the right
color for 4.17 x x 10^42 positrons.

dr
I dont remember that number at the moment.?
s

The hasty retreat may have been just simple
deferance to the tenacity of the Brits


.. ;-)
dr
Sorry about the bulldog woof it just my nature and means no harm.

s
It's not the woof... It is trying to find the 1/r^2 in all those
notations and
doodles. I am still studying it but maybe you can sneak one or two
1/r^2 in the dissertation so us spatially challenged women can get our
bearings. ;-)

Sue...

"Sue..." wrote in message
ups.com...

It's not the woof... It is trying to find the 1/r^2 in all those
notations and
doodles. I am still studying it but maybe you can sneak one or two
1/r^2 in the dissertation so us spatially challenged women can get our
bearings. ;-)
dr
One coming up please check :-)
Sue...

"Dr ***" wrote in message
...
Vacuum, Velocity, Gravity and the Speed of light.

*************** Simplified *****************

The following are simple provable or logically deducible facts

a) The speed of light (SOL) is measured constant in vacuum and also in any
given medium. Its speed in vacuum is given the designator c.

As I already explained to you, ONLY when the medium is at rest wrt the
measurement system!

Cheers,
Harald

b) From a) we can also state that the velocity of the measuring equipment
is zero with respect to(wrt) the light under measurement if the
measurement
is c. If that is the case the velocity of the vacuum will also be zero
unless in a two way measurement there is a velocity discrepancy between
the two paths. For future use the measuring equipment frame velocity will
be
assigned the variable fv and the vacuum velocity the variable vv.
This is to allow for any offset which may need to be calculated in or out.
c) The SOL is independent of the velocity of the source as concluding
otherwise would require the SOL to be dependant on the velocity of the
source which experiments and logic have concluded it is not.
Any Doppler shift due to relative motion at a or frequency shift at b fig
1
need to be considered if evaluating relative velocities.
There are three dilectrics that the SOL has to be constant in to comply
with a) if observing a star and calculating relative velocities.
Dielectric of the source = (ds). Of the intevening space/vacuum = (dv)
Of the observer = (do)

a b
Point(p) (ds)( dv )(do) fig1

If (ds),(dv) and (do) have no velocities with respect to each other (the
norm.) then, if any disturbances caused by the gravity of (ds) and (do)
are calculated out, (do) will observer source (ds) spectral signature(ss)
essentially as it was transmitted. If on the other hand (ds) has a
velocity
relative to (dv)+(do) then this will be shown by the (ss) showing a
deviation from the norm when observed by (do). In the case of (ds)
and (dv) have no relative velocity and the velocity diferential being in
(dv) (do) then (ss) will be changed by this velocity.
In another case (ds) and (do) have no velocity wrt each other but have
a velocity wrt (dv), this more difficult to measure particularly from (do)
with only (ds) as a reference.
So for this measurement we need to rotate (ds) and (do)
round a some distant point (p) so their angular velocities have a
significant difference but they are in line on a line drawn from the axis
of rotation(p). The other requirement is that there are many other
objects in (dv) to lock its velocity by dependency to these other objects
and so give references for the vacuum velocity.
Using the observed deviation by (do) from the source (ds) on the inner
obit
about the point, as a reference against the observed deviation from
sources
from the clock and anticlock directions, the velocity of (do) can be
calculated wrt (dv).
d) The conclusion from this is that the constacy of c is maintained
by referencing itself to the vacuum velocity in which its being carried
in.
This indicates that the vacuum can have n number of velocities and that
they
can be deduced from the velocity of c. It needs to be clearly understood
that the vacuum accommodates its velocity to the dominant velocity of
dominant matter and/or dominant field in its local area. With the area
being defined by the strength and type of effect.
e) The observer can from observation of the deviation frequency (spectral
shift) of light with a known frequency, determine their velocity with
respect to the vacuum and other sources with respect to the vacuum by a
spectrophotometer and *computation*, in most cases. The CMBR can
also give a good indication as to observer velocity wrt the local vacuum
velocity with careful measurement but the effect of the observer and their
equipment on the vacuum state needs to be carefully considered.
f) Many of the examples posted to this group and in establishment books
fail
to take account of the above facts and can be misleading both in concept
and
formulation. Also many of the past formulae are inappropriately applied
and have been bringing these formulae into disrepute but correctly applied
in the situations for which they were intended they should normally
present
no problems.

Aberration
It has been put forward that the apparent leading of a stars position in
some way discredits the above facts but this is brought about by the
misunderstanding of this effect and its mistaken association with
refractive
index. In the refractive index situation its a case of an energy front
spread over a particle based area being transferred to another particle
based area with the wave having to surmount the energy state change that
exists between any two particle based materials. the direction of this
event
is to introduce negative incidence into the wave path. In the case of
vacuum
to atmosphere the incidence is positive as the mechanism is different. As
the ray of light coming from the star interacts with a molecule in the
upper
atmosphere the atoms of the molecule absorbs the radiation from the star
and
emits it to the next molecules atoms the main vector of this emission
is the vector sum of the light ray from the star and the velocity of the
atoms of the molecule.
This results in a lead to the observed position and a positive angle.

Gravity
The examination of gravity as an asymmetric electrical force is detailed
below. If we assume for a moment that electrically neutral as a
measurement
of an atoms state is a mis-measurement and the residual potential
imbalance
is in fact displayed as gravitational attraction and see how this might be
brought about. It would appear that between two identical atoms the
potential difference is zero and so provide no mechanism for attraction or
repulsion but between three or more atoms the mechanism is fairly clear.
Between two atoms the sum of their potential differences rationale to 1 is
+2-2= 0 so the field surrounding this pair appears to be zero but in more
detail it is a field that falls to zero at some point and sums to +2 at
another and -2 at another if another particle then interacts with the
original pair the relationship is +2 attracting -1 and -2 attracting +1
the
dynamics of the situation means that between three or more particles the
potential differential is always attractive as this follows an increasing
path and so becomes stronger whereas the repulsive force follows a
decreasing path and always becomes weaker. This resulting attractive
field differential is quite small but sums with values of the particles to
produce gravity.
For example if we take three electrons and three positron and take one of
the electrons and rotate it round its anti particle to prevent conversion
to
radiation by mutual annihilation and do the same with the other four
particles we have three neutral systems that will follow the mechanism
detailed above re potential differences.
The dynamics of the systems tend to ensure that the slower element
of the potential of the three systems tends to insert itself as a
repulsive
mediator to ensure that the systems don't interact in a destructive way.

Pair rotating round x producing neutral skin made of two charge states.

-++- x +--+ (-2+2) + (+2-2) = 0

Three rotating pairs attracting.

-++- x +--+ (-2+2) + (+2-2) = a
(-2+2) + (+2-2) = c -++- x +--+
-++- x +--+ (-2+2) + (+2-2) = b
a+bc so a+b is more positive and negative than c so a+b attracts c

Voltage example

The pair The singleton
+2v | relative to +1v +2v is +1v more positive so +1v is -1v
with
| +1v respect to +2v which mean that the two fields will
attract
0v |
| -1v and the same applies -1v and -2v as -1v is +1v more
-2v | positive than -2v the fields will attract.

Below is an early first attempt to rationalize the above postion of
gravity
as a potential difference and attempt to include strong, weak and
magnetic forces.
and shown as an aspect of the same force but of a more complex nature.
The position is that the Newtonian and Coulomb laws in the above respect
are
correct but incomplete.

Under development :-)

Fg = Gn ((m1+m2)*m3/r^2)

M = Fc = kn ((q1+q2)*q3/r^2) = E/c^2

See sci.physics.relativity for the full series under development.
Try and include your opinion at no charge :-) if it has sufficient
potential
:-)

"Harry" wrote in message
...

"Dr ***" wrote in message
...
Vacuum, Velocity, Gravity and the Speed of light.

*************** Simplified *****************

The following are simple provable or logically deducible facts

a) The speed of light (SOL) is measured constant in vacuum and also in any
given medium. Its speed in vacuum is given the designator c.

As I already explained to you, ONLY when the medium is at rest wrt the
measurement system!
dr
You should have read b) and it got more interesting latter.
Cheers
Dr Ardvark I'll have another :-)
Cheers,
Harald

"Dr ***" wrote in message
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"Harry" wrote in message
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"Dr ***" wrote in message
...
Vacuum, Velocity, Gravity and the Speed of light.

*************** Simplified *****************

The following are simple provable or logically deducible facts

a) The speed of light (SOL) is measured constant in vacuum and also in
any
given medium. Its speed in vacuum is given the designator c.

As I already explained to you, ONLY when the medium is at rest wrt the
measurement system!

In a medium, the speed is c/n where n is the
refractive index.

George

"George Dishman" wrote in message
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"Dr ***" wrote in message
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"Harry" wrote in message
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"Dr ***" wrote in message
...
Vacuum, Velocity, Gravity and the Speed of light.

*************** Simplified *****************

The following are simple provable or logically deducible facts

a) The speed of light (SOL) is measured constant in vacuum and also in
any
given medium. Its speed in vacuum is given the designator c.

As I already explained to you, ONLY when the medium is at rest wrt the
measurement system!

In a medium, the speed is c/n where n is the
refractive index.
dr
Thanks
George

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:29:57 +0100, in uk.sci.astronomy , "Dr ***"
wrote:


As I already explained to you, ONLY when the medium is at rest wrt the
measurement system!

1) no you didn't, you need to learn to post.
2) you're a troll. Go away.

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