Is it me, or is it really getting hot in here?

Another brick in the wall....

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7667385

Keep telling yourself, "it's just a cycle, a normal, unremarkable cycle..."

:-)

Uncle Bob

Keep telling yourself, "it's just a cycle, a normal, unremarkable
cycle..."

What can you do eh? We keep asking the 5% of the worlds population
that do most of the polluting to join the rest of us in cutting back
but they just won't. They say "we don't have to and you can't make
us".
jc


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John Carruthers wrote:
Keep telling yourself, "it's just a cycle, a normal, unremarkable

cycle..."

What can you do eh? We keep asking the 5% of the worlds population
that do most of the polluting to join the rest of us in cutting back
but they just won't. They say "we don't have to and you can't make
us".
jc


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Then they shoot the messenger. ;-)

Regards,
Uncle Bob

There's a lot of "smoke" drifting over our neighbor to the North. Chock
full of particulates and other complex chemicals. Maybe all that locally
produced pollution has something to do with their outlook on things -- eh?

John Carruthers wrote:

Keep telling yourself, "it's just a cycle, a normal, unremarkable

cycle..."

What can you do eh? We keep asking the 5% of the worlds population
that do most of the polluting to join the rest of us in cutting back
but they just won't. They say "we don't have to and you can't make
us".
jc


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Our neighbor to the North just love blowing smoke. They are some of
the worst offenders of pollution blowing production. They should
secede from the Union.

Uncle Bob wrote:
Another brick in the wall....


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7667385

As usual. Long on statements of certitude. Short on substance.

Keep telling yourself, "it's just a cycle, a normal, unremarkable
cycle..."

Remind me of that the next time i wake up shivering in this tropical
paradise, like i did this morning.... Maybe i've just shed the last
vestage of my Massachusetts conditioning...?

Seriously, though--

Is the Earth heating up? Undoubtedly. I think we now have more than
enough data to confirm an unmistakable warming trend.

Is this a natural cycle? No one knows. We should have enough data to
make that determination in about 500 to 1000 years.

Is humankind to blame? No one knows. We have plenty of hypotheses,
along with sufficient scientists to present such hypotheses with
religious authority, but we have no real theories.

All else is opinion, conjecture, and/or propaganda.

Should we keep doing research? Of course. Should we be curbing our
pollution and lavish burning of organic fuels? We'd be foolish not to.
Should we be drawing conclusions? Well, that would imply that we have
enough data...


Clear skies!

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~ eastern Massachusetts ~ USDA zone 6 (1992-95) ~
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Its heating up because of all those old blue-hair ladies driving those
gas-guzzling Towncars down here in paradise.

"Cousin Ricky" wrote in message
oups.com...

Uncle Bob wrote:
Another brick in the wall....


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7667385

As usual. Long on statements of certitude. Short on substance.

Keep telling yourself, "it's just a cycle, a normal, unremarkable
cycle..."

Remind me of that the next time i wake up shivering in this tropical
paradise, like i did this morning.... Maybe i've just shed the last
vestage of my Massachusetts conditioning...?

Seriously, though--

Is the Earth heating up? Undoubtedly. I think we now have more than
enough data to confirm an unmistakable warming trend.

Is this a natural cycle? No one knows. We should have enough data to
make that determination in about 500 to 1000 years.

Is humankind to blame? No one knows. We have plenty of hypotheses,
along with sufficient scientists to present such hypotheses with
religious authority, but we have no real theories.

All else is opinion, conjecture, and/or propaganda.

Should we keep doing research? Of course. Should we be curbing our
pollution and lavish burning of organic fuels? We'd be foolish not to.
Should we be drawing conclusions? Well, that would imply that we have
enough data...


Clear skies!

--
------------------- Richard Callwood III --------------------
~ U.S. Virgin Islands ~ USDA zone 11 ~ 18.3N, 64.9W ~
~ eastern Massachusetts ~ USDA zone 6 (1992-95) ~
--------------- http://cac.uvi.edu/staff/rc3/ ---------------

Cousin Ricky
Should we keep doing research? Of course. Should we be curbing our
pollution and lavish burning of organic fuels? We'd be foolish not
to.
Should we be drawing conclusions? Well, that would imply that we
have
enough data...

The voice of reason, why then don't you all get your political reps to
pressure for signing the Kyoto agreement ?
jc



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I saw a piece on TV about reindeer herders saying they were losing lots
of young animals to rivers that were normally frozen during the
migrations in Siberia.

Scandinavian builders have enjoyed much extended building seasons over
the last few years resulting in far fewer winter lay-offs.

If global warming goes on we should save on winter heating bills
resulting in reduced CO2 production. Which advantage will be promptly
swallowed up by air conditioning the following summer.

Who is going to start a fashion for micro-cars and fuel efficiency? Why
are personal transport fashions so destructive to the environment? Even
older Australians are now going nomad with giant campers, following the
American trend.

What we really need right now is a fashion for hoola-hoop-driven
bicycles! ;-)

Chris.B

Why should we take Kyoto seriously? It expires in about seven years and
the scientific community pushing this nonsense is rife with crazed
statements that any twelve year old can prove false. For example look at
this recent article of breathless doom:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ent_climate_dc


This article quotes Ruth Curry, a scientist at Woods Hole Oceanographic
Institute as saying:

“Greenland's ice cap, which contains enough ice to raise sea levels
globally by 23 feet, is starting to melt and could collapse suddenly,
Curry said. Already freshwater is percolating down, lubricating the base
and making it more unstable.”

Then along comes Cecil Rose of Apex, NC who makes the following
observation from the article linked:

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"My almanac says:

148,236,600 Area of the worlds oceans

840,000 Area of Greenland

From which I calculate

176 Ratio of the two

4,059 The thickness of ice cap necessary to raise the oceans by 23 feet.

But the almanac reports the average thickness of Greenland’s ice cap is
around 1,000 feet

Thus making the potential rise around 5 feet from a complete melt.

5 minutes - The time it takes to check such elementary facts."

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Again, why should anyone take these scientists and their
environmentalist comrades seriously when they are so obviously
distorting facts to suit their agenda?



John Carruthers wrote:
Cousin Ricky
Should we keep doing research? Of course. Should we be curbing our
pollution and lavish burning of organic fuels? We'd be foolish not

to.

Should we be drawing conclusions? Well, that would imply that we

have

enough data...


The voice of reason, why then don't you all get your political reps to
pressure for signing the Kyoto agreement ?
jc



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