Go/No-Go "round the room" final checks by Flight

....Just to give the group a new topic to chew on and get things back
to normalcy a bit, here's one that hit me while I'm watching my ripped
copies of E2M on continuous play during today's system rebuilds(*) and
updates to XP: When going "around the room" in the MOCR for final
go/no-go for any particular major mission phase, was there a set order
in which each flight controller was polled by the Flight Director?
From what I've seen, the only common point was that the Flight Surgeon
appears to be the last one polled prior to giving the nod to Capcom to
give the go order.

....On a side note, at these decision points, were all flight
controllers usually polled, even if their particular area of coverage
didn't necessarily involve the action to be taken?

Food for thought, kids. Someone tell Derek he's invited to dine in,
eh?

(*) So long Windows 2000, and thank you for the stability you've given
me for just under four years on the four machines I still had you
installed on. Regardless of what the Linux geeks want to claim, except
for the infamous "disappearing CD-ROM" bug, you did what I expected of
you.
OM

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"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
in message ...
...Just to give the group a new topic to chew on and get things back
to normalcy a bit, here's one that hit me while I'm watching my ripped
copies of E2M on continuous play during today's system rebuilds(*) and
updates to XP: When going "around the room" in the MOCR for final
go/no-go for any particular major mission phase, was there a set order
in which each flight controller was polled by the Flight Director?
From what I've seen, the only common point was that the Flight Surgeon
appears to be the last one polled prior to giving the nod to Capcom to
give the go order.

Guys that shows what they thought of Surgeon. :-)



...On a side note, at these decision points, were all flight
controllers usually polled, even if their particular area of coverage
didn't necessarily involve the action to be taken?

My understanding is yes they did. I believe we discussed this question
earlier at one point when someone wanted to know why Recovery was polled at
launch.



Food for thought, kids. Someone tell Derek he's invited to dine in,
eh?

(*) So long Windows 2000, and thank you for the stability you've given
me for just under four years on the four machines I still had you
installed on. Regardless of what the Linux geeks want to claim, except
for the infamous "disappearing CD-ROM" bug, you did what I expected of
you.

Tell me about it. I have servers that have in some cases had uptime
measured in years. (A move to a new data center changed one of them...
though I was tempted to pull the "Frogger" Episode from Seinfield and keep
it booted while moving.)


OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
in message ...
...Just to give the group a new topic to chew on and get things back
to normalcy a bit, here's one that hit me while I'm watching my ripped
copies of E2M on continuous play during today's system rebuilds(*) and
updates to XP: When going "around the room" in the MOCR for final
go/no-go for any particular major mission phase, was there a set order
in which each flight controller was polled by the Flight Director?

From fading memory, the go-no-go poll in early shuttle days was by console
location,
left to right, front row to back row (surgeon sat at back rightmost
position).
This was because Flight was usually standing and looking at every controller
who
locked eyes with him during the process.

Maybe other FD's had a list in front of them, with some sort of
prioritization that escapes me.

"JimO" wrote in
:


"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote in message ...
...Just to give the group a new topic to chew on and get things back
to normalcy a bit, here's one that hit me while I'm watching my
ripped copies of E2M on continuous play during today's system
rebuilds(*) and updates to XP: When going "around the room" in the
MOCR for final go/no-go for any particular major mission phase, was
there a set order in which each flight controller was polled by the
Flight Director?

From fading memory, the go-no-go poll in early shuttle days was by
console location,
left to right, front row to back row (surgeon sat at back rightmost
position).

This order is still followed. Of course, the actual seating order changed
with the new flight control room. As for who gets polled, IIRC it's
everyone except MOD and PAO.

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On 14 Jun 2004 12:51:32 GMT, "Jorge R. Frank"
wrote:

This order is still followed. Of course, the actual seating order changed
with the new flight control room. As for who gets polled, IIRC it's
everyone except MOD and PAO.

....And, of course, who *cares* what the PAO thinks anyway? :-) :-) :-)

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

OM wrote:
On 14 Jun 2004 12:51:32 GMT, "Jorge R. Frank"
wrote:


This order is still followed. Of course, the actual seating order changed
with the new flight control room. As for who gets polled, IIRC it's
everyone except MOD and PAO.


...And, of course, who *cares* what the PAO thinks anyway? :-) :-) :-)

FLIGHT: "All flight controllers! Go/NoGo for Landing! FIDO!"

FIDO: "We're GO, Flight!"

FLIGHT: "Retro!"

RETRO: "We're GO, Flight!"

....[snip]....

FLIGHT: "PAO!"

PAO: "NO GO, FLIGHT! CBS is still in commercial!"

FLIGHT: "CAPCOM! Inform the crew to stand down! CBS is still in commercial!"

###


--
Dave Michelson

Jorge R. Frank wrote:

As for who gets polled, IIRC it's
everyone except MOD and PAO.

"Range safety?"
"Go"
"Range Safety is go..."
"Communications?"
"Go"
Communications are go..."
"Weather?"
"Go"
"Weather is go...."
"PAO?"
"This is going to be the most important space shuttle mission ever, and
already has demonstrated a completely trouble free countdown unrivaled
in earlier shuttle launches! It is not too early to classify this flight
as a complete and historic success!"
"PAO is go....." ;-)

Pat

Dave Michelson wrote:


FLIGHT: "PAO!"

PAO: "NO GO, FLIGHT! CBS is still in commercial!"

FLIGHT: "CAPCOM! Inform the crew to stand down! CBS is still in
commercial!"


I can see all great minds think alike...which is a pretty unfortunate
commentary on the PAO, isn't it? :-)

Pat

"JimO" wrote:

From fading memory, the go-no-go poll in early shuttle days was by console
location, left to right, front row to back row (surgeon sat at back rightmost
position). This was because Flight was usually standing and looking at every
controller who locked eyes with him during the process.

FWIW; When the boat as manned up for an evolution (Maneuvering Watch,
Battlestations, Casualties), and 'all stations report' was called, we
reported back from fore to aft, top to bottom.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

Bruce Palmer wrote:
PAO: "Liftoff! We have liftoff of the Space Shuttle Whatever on a
12-day mission to blah blah blah."

That would be a 12-day *historic* mission. All missions are now
*historic*. Me thinks they kind of overuse that word.

It makes me gag everytime I hear it. They must actually pay someone to
dumb down the mission descriptions. I wonder how much NASA would save
by eliminating the Public Affairs Ofice and staff? Would there be any
significant downside to that?


Sam