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Old September 2nd 03, 04:02 AM
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"william cogswell" wrote in message
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I have read about 80% of the caib report so far very interesting read on
instutional entrenchment of the acronym PBAR (probably be alright).
What I would like to know is why there are not a load of mgmt. level job
openings after this report came out?



'cause it's not _really_ the individual managers at fault, it's the 'system'
they work within.

That's why Bob Haller's "told you so" rubbish just makes me vomit! All he's
said is that "managers should go" and not "they system needs to change".
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Old September 2nd 03, 12:12 PM
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If you remember, just after the investigation board got started there were
quite a few managers that either resigned or were moved from high profile
positions to lesser positions at the same location or to other NASA
facilities.


They all knew what was coming. But some transfered to safety offices and such.
What a crime when they were part of the problem. A new broom should sweep
clean.
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Old September 2nd 03, 01:39 PM
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Oh? And what about the 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' syndrome?

I imagine the problem is not the managers, but the way the thing is set up.
As i said many moons ago, in Defence, when i worked there, here in the UK,
there were always separate auditors for quality control. Unfortunately, many
people in Nasa seem not to realise that the quality of decisions should also
be controlled. Its no good having people making decisions on rubbish out of
date data or data that has been collected that nobody really knows if its
right. The fact that nobody actually did this simple QA function, of
auditing the data used to make decisions is a gaping hole as far as I can
see.

Brian

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