Genesis probe crashes

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A

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Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A

It's a high-risk business, and always has been. Your Cassini probe is
doing very well, and I just hope our hitch-hiker doesn't follow the
example of Beagle and Genesis.
Best of luck, Stardust.
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not nice, not fair, and unpatriotic

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:01:41 -0700, Double-A wrote:

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A


Hey could you do better?

So what do you suggest we do? Stop sending probes up?

There are going to be failures, sometimes it's the best way to learn.

In message , Ray Vingnutte
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:00:39 GMT
Tom Randy wrote:

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:01:41 -0700, Double-A wrote:

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A


Hey could you do better?

Well after 40 odd years of space flight yeah I would expect much better.

I suppose having the probe come back to earth on a trajectory that would
have placed it in orbit to be collected by a shuttle was just to
obvious, or more likely just to much extra cost. I'm afraid you get what
you pay for.


Brains are free, and using them is proven to be good for you..
In case you hadn't noticed, there _are_ no shuttles flying at the
moment, and the earliest they will fly is next year. Don't hold your
breath. Even if a shuttle rendezvous was possible, adding the necessary
rocket to enter low earth orbit would have added enormously to the
already impressive cost of the mission, and the added complexity might
have added its own problems.
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Remove spam and invalid from address to reply.

Tom Randy wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:01:41 -0700, Double-A wrote:

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A


Hey could you do better?

So what do you suggest we do? Stop sending probes up?

There are going to be failures, sometimes it's the best way to learn.


Well for one thing, they could have done some practice runs on this
new recovery method on less valuable satellites before going live on
such a critical project.

Double-A

In message , Double-A
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Tom Randy wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:01:41 -0700, Double-A wrote:

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A


Hey could you do better?

So what do you suggest we do? Stop sending probes up?

There are going to be failures, sometimes it's the best way to learn.


Well for one thing, they could have done some practice runs on this
new recovery method on less valuable satellites before going live on
such a critical project.

Double-A

Why don't you send your CV to NASA and JPL? You're such an expert on
space technology that they will hire you on the spot.
There's nothing new about returning capsules to Earth - and other
planets. It's been done with spy satellites since the early 1960s, on
Mars in the 1970s, and on Jupiter in the 1990s.
They did practice the helicopter recovery technique. I'm no expert, but
I can tell you that a lot of the mission budget will have gone on
simulations and tests of the re-entry, probably involving flying the
capsule on a balloon and dropping it. That's how Viking, Huygens (good
luck), and Galileo were tested.
Sometimes things fail. Except second-guessing Usenet posters with silly
nicknames, it would seem.

"Double-A" wrote in message
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Tom Randy wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:01:41 -0700, Double-A wrote:

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A


Hey could you do better?

So what do you suggest we do? Stop sending probes up?

There are going to be failures, sometimes it's the best way to learn.


Well for one thing, they could have done some practice runs on this
new recovery method on less valuable satellites before going live on
such a critical project.

Double-A
1: It was not the 'recovery method', that failed, but the parachutes,
which are a 'normal' technology.
2: This type of recovery has been used before on military systems,
including higher velocity versions at greater altitude, and has a good
track record.

Best Wishes

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:07:13 +0000, Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:00:39 GMT
Tom Randy wrote:

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:01:41 -0700, Double-A wrote:

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A


Hey could you do better?

Well after 40 odd years of space flight yeah I would expect much better.

I suppose having the probe come back to earth on a trajectory that would
have placed it in orbit to be collected by a shuttle was just to
obvious, or more likely just to much extra cost. I'm afraid you get what
you pay for.


Some people bitch(ed) that NASA costs too much money. So NASA cuts back
(like everyone else does) and sends a bunch of unmanned probes at a HUGE
reduced cost and you people STILL bitch and moan. They can not win with
you people. Having a shuttle do it (if they were flying) would cost too
much.

It's the parachute system that failed. Think about this. This probe went
and orbited the freaking Sun. It survived all that, came back, we knew
WHERE to find it, we SAW IT AND WERE THERE to get it but the chute failed.

NOT TOO BAD if you ask me. Sure, we lost the payload, the pyro didn't fire
for whatever reason. We learn from this and do it again. We WILL
eventually succeed.

All the billions and billions we waste down here on Earth for all these
bull**** other programs and you're going to complain about 260 million?

Please.....

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Tom Randy wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:01:41 -0700, Double-A wrote:

Another NASA project crashes and burns!

Another 250 million up in smoke!

So, what else is new at NASA!

Double-A


Hey could you do better?

So what do you suggest we do? Stop sending probes up?

There are going to be failures, sometimes it's the best way to learn.


Well for one thing, they could have done some practice runs on this
new recovery method on less valuable satellites before going live on
such a critical project.


I'm prepared to be shot down over this. But in the past, weren't film
canisters dropped by spy satellites in the '60s captured this way? I can
remember seeing a docco on it sometime ago. Or was it a "proposal"?