Reply to Attorney Sienkiewiz -- Was: The Ultimate Troll: ED CONRAD

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:20:18 +0000 (UTC),
(David Sienkiewicz) wrote:

Ed Conrad wrote in message . ..

snip same old load of crap that Ed's been dishing out for two decades

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Sienkiewicz is replying to what Max Phillips had written and, of
course, my response:

Stated Max:

Don't forget the ultimate troll - Ed Conrad.

He ****es off more than mere newbies. Many an experienced NGer have
fallen into his fiendish trap. His position is so...out there that it
cannot be taken seriously by evolutionist or creationist alike. He
constantly posts outrageous messages, attacks those who oppose him,
insults revered institutions, and so on and so on, that he cannot
possibly be mistaken for anything other that a troll.

And yet so many of us respond to his every word. He traps so many.
He has started some of the longest threads on this NG. He is so
effective at what he does. He is the MASTER!

I take my hat off to you, Ed. You da king! You are... THE ULTIMATE
TROLL! I hereby nominate Ed Conrad, ULTIMATE TROLL FOR LIFE, with all
privileges, honors, and responsibilities thereto.

Ed Conrad's Response to Max Phillips:

The question, Max, isn't that I'm a troll but what made me a troll.
It is the deceit, deception, collusion and conspiracy that has for too
long been masqueradings as true, honest sciene.

I've experienced it firsthand.

I have concern for the children of today and tomorrow who, unless
Truth finally raises its ugly head, will continue to be taught the
evolultion of man is true and that there is no life after death.,

Not so important is that I have discovered petrified bones, teeth
and soft organs (some human) between anthracite veins that
relegates the Darwin Theory to the garbage heap.

Not so important is the evidence -- because of the Sheppton
mine cave-in and miraculous recue, and the intervention of
the deceased Pope John XXIII -- that there IS life after death.

It is that egotistical members of the scientific community have
no recourse to side with the fiction and falacy of their their
Pseudoscientific Establishment bull****, for fear of jeopardizing
their vested interests.

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

Now here's where Attorney Sienkiewicz gets in his two
fraudulent cents' worth:

PROOF THAT ED CONRAD IS A LIAR!
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Hey, Ed, did you ever hear from the GAO?

While we wait for you to grow some balls and answer that, here's an
interesting thing:

Man as Old as Coal

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/skullb.jpg

I've challenged you about this bad boy a couple of times. I pointed
out a few times that this boulder had a "skull" that, it turned out,
was just caked on clay and dirt.

I pointed out that a letter that YOU posted an image of, Ed, proved
this.

Twice now, you replied by asking me to post my evidence, after which
you would happily refute me.

Twice I responded directly by REPOSTING that evidence - your own links
to images on your site.

Tonight, while poking around, I find that the picture of the boulder
is still there, and you're still making claims about it.

But the image of the letter that I have referenced several times seems
to have disappeared.

That's just fascinating, Ed.

What it tells me is this: I am right. You are a liar and a fraud.

You see, Ed, you never did rebut me, happily or otherwise. I posted
the evidence - YOUR OWN EVIDENCE - and you ducked away.

Now a piece of that evidence is no longer available at the URL.

You removed it and you continue to tout the boulder as having a skull
embedded in it.

You know it doesn't.

You removed the image of the letter because it's incriminating.

That's intent.

You're a liar, Ed.

Let me know if you ever hear from the GAO, okay?

And one of these days, you might grow a few more brain cells and
listen to those of us who tell you that the agency that you REALLY
need is OPM.

Have a nice night, Ed.

Response Part I:

Not me but YOU, Attorney David Sienkiewicz, are the liar
and the coward -- and a paid hit man by the Scientific
Establishment.

My last correspondence with you, via talk.origins, was
to inform you that I DID request information whether
you were on the payroll of the Scientific Establishment.
..
I wrote to the General Accounting Office (GAO) and the
response, mailed to U.S. Rep. Tim Holden of my district,
stated that the GAO cannot release the names of anyone
in the employ of the federal government without their
written permission.

If you remember -- and how can you forget -- I posted
this message and requested that you go along with
the GAO's directive -- that is, giving them written permission
to let me know if you are on the federal government;s payroll.

Immediately after that posting, you conveniently employed
a disappearing act -- first, informing your psuedoscientific
cohorts that your grandchild was very sick..

Them. upon your return recently after a long absence,
one of your pals posted a message that you had some
sort of heart surgery.

Nothing was ever mentioned again about your critically
ill grandson.

Yes, you can still give written permission to the GAO
to let me -- and all of us know -- whether you are on the
payroll of the Scientific Establishment.

You see, Attorney Sienkiewicz, NO lawyer in his right
mind would spend 20 hours a day at his computer --
as you had been doing for the longest time before
your sudden disappearance -- peddling your crap
in defense of the erroneous theory of the evolution
of man -- unless, of course, you were well paid.

That only makes common sense.

Ed Conrad

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Reponse: Part II:

Here is the so-called "evidence" you are referring to --
the letter from Allan "Pseudoscienist" Mann from the
University of Pennsylvania.

He was the first anthropologist to examine the specimen
which resembled a giant skull.

http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/first.jpg.

When he first saw it, he hurried over, knelt beside it
and stated: "Oh, my God! I don't believe it."

In a matter of minutes, however, after wetting his fingers
to his lips and touching it, he brushed it off as a concretion
or a naturally shaped rock.

And, yes, he made reference to it being mud, at a time
I was rather gullible and had the greatest respect for
what I assumed was his integrity and expertise.

But as time went by and I self-educated myself, I learned
that the only method of determining whether a rock-like
object is petrified bone is examining its cell structure
microscopically. This he did not do, and never mentioned
a word about it.

After returning home with the object -- and getting burned
by the dishonest Three Stooges at the Smithsonian (another
anthropologist, a paleontologist and a geologist) who came
to the same conclusion that it was a concretion, I took it
back home.

It was only after many hours of probing the inside of the
jaw-like area of the boulder that I discovered both a premolar
and a canine precisely where teeth would be expected to be.

http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/premolar.jpg.

Wilton Krogman, the late author of "The Human Skeleton
in Forensic Medicine" and one of the world's foremost
authorities on the human skeleton, identified the one inclusion
as a premolar and suggested I have an infrared scan done
on it.

This state-of-the-art test was performed at American Medical
Laboratories in Chanitly, Va., and the result was that the
origin or the specimen was organic -- that it once live.

http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/graph.gif
http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/result.gif

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Response (Part III):

Like a broken record, I keep preaching that the Scientific
Establishment -- and all members thereof -- are guilty
of deceit, deception, collusion and conspiracy in the matter
of man's origin and ancestry.

They also have employed, deception, collusion and conspiracy
in the business of adamant denial of an after-life, despite
considerable proof that it indeed exists and that death is not
the termination of our existence.

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As you all know by now, truth no longer is playing second fiddle
to the fiction, fantasy and fairy tales that have been dished out
for more than a century about man's origin and ancestry.

Finally, it's the official end of the deceit, deception, collusion and
conspiracy that has long been perpetrated by arrogant, egotistical
members of the Scientific Establshment in and out of its hallowed
Halls of Learning.

Their monumental hoax on mankind has met its match with the
presentation of undeniable physical evidence that, multi-millions of
years ago, the good earth wasn't anything like what has long
been depicted by the scientific community.

For one thing, man -- in almost our present form -- existed while
coal was being formed, and our ancestors lived alongside
giant scorpions, dinosaurs and beasts with six-inch-high canine
teeth.

And man and animals had one thing in common. Both were
annihilated in some incredible catastrophe that blew them limb
from limb and scattered their bones, teeth and soft organs
in all directions..

What happened next is a testament to the late, great Immanuel
Velikovsky who, more than a half-century ago, said the true story
of earth's -- and man's -- past is written in the rocks, visible for
all to see as part of the fossil record.

Eons ago -- before coal hardened -- some sort of fluid engulfed the
bones, teeth and soft organs just after the great catastrophe, causing
them to petrifiy and now offer a mindboggling horror story of
mankind's distant past.

That man existed during the Carboniferous Period also offers
proof that we could not possibly have evolved as suggested
by the Darwin Theory.

Rightly so, because the theory of the evolution of man never
possessed a shred of physical evidence in the first place.
Man could not -- and did not -- become such a magnificent machine
by a series of incredible accidents of nature since it's an
astronomical mathematical absurdity.

Even Charles Darwin had a sneaky suspicion his theory was full
of hot air.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/truth/tosuppose.gif

And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/quote/MVC-013S.JPG

But, since we were spoon-fed such pablum -- the evolution of man --
by members of the omniscient Scientific Establishment, most of us
ate up every word. These pompous asses were neither to be
questioned nor challenged.

About a year after finding my first specimen of petrified bone between
coal veins in June 1981, I couldn't believe the incedible resistence
I was encountering in my pursuit of honest investigation.

My longtime friend, Clayton Lennon (1900-1996), warned me it
wouldn't be easy and one day, between puffs of his cigar,
summed up my despair quite eloquently .

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/edyournot.gif

Meanwhile, as their noses continued to grow, so also did the
arrogance of members of the Scientific Establishment who had
long lost the goal of a search for truth. The only important thing
to them, I soon learned, was to make no waves and concentrate
on protecting their vested interests.

Over time, they had become incredibly ruthless and bold, really
believing that -- as members of omnipotent Acadamia -- they could
do anything they damn well pleased and answer to no one..

Since I have had a ringside seat over these past 22 years, I assure
you that it has included not only denial of physical evidence that
could -- would -- destroy the theory of the evolution of man but
actually tampering with that evidence -- and I have come right out
and named names.

Then, with brass testicles, the criminals were actually belitting
the victim, with character assassination leveled like a Gatling gun.

And even worse, the assault on truth was adamantly defended by
their colleagues.

Fortunately, for your grandchildren and mine, that day is over.
The pseudoscientists' day of reckoning has finally arrived.

But it comes as no surprise. After all, they had been forewarned:

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Response Part IV:

: TRUTH FINALLY CATCHES UP TO THE PERPETRATORS
: OF DECEIT, DECEPTION, COLLUSION AND CONSPIRACY
(You Listening, Attorney Sienkiewicz and Augray (gen2rev)

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MAN AS OLD AS COAL
All Specimens Found Between Anthracite Veins

(Strata geologically dated at a minimum of 280 million years)

Here are just a few of the thousands upon thousands of specimens
of petrified bones, teeth and/or even soft organs -- some human --
that I have discovered between two separate anthracite veins
in Northeastern Pennsylvania over the past 22 years.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z11calv.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z8femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z5gall.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/newtibia.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/skullb.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z9lung.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/1tooth.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/z3dino.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/MVC-013F.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/pp/MVC-022S.JPG

Strange, according to scientific doctrine, they couldn't possibly
have been found in Carboniferous strata, dated at a minimum
of 280 million years.

You see, every scientific textbook insists that no large land
animals, let alone man, existed back then. Hell, man wouldn't begin
evolving until multi-millions of years later, the pseudos proclaimed.

But the incredible arsenal of petrified bones, teeth and even soft
organs proves -- beyond doubt -- that man and large land animals
indeed had been around when coal was being formed. Otherwise,
their mortal remains could not have been preserved between layers
of anthracite as the result of a catastrophe beyond our wildest
imagination.

And, since this is the grim evidence that a catastrophe happened
before, there is NO question that it could happen again.

Velikovsky provided evidence of catastrophes in his two books,
"Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval," published back
in the early 1950s. In them, he offered undeniable evidence of
calamities beyond human comprehension but was ridiculed
and badmouthed by members of the Scientific Establishment.

Here's a copy of these two books, in paperback, and an explanation
why Velikovsky was treated with scorn and contempt, which is how
members of the Scientific Establishment have treated me for the last
21 1/2 years.

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A longtime newspaperman, I figured -- when realizing I was getting
the shaft from the Scientific Establishment -- I'd get a fair shake
from newspapers in an effort to tell my story.

I thought the editors would be genuinely interested in what might've
sounded like a farfetched story, except that it was backed up by
petrified bones, teeth and soft organs as old as coal.

Reporters from the Allentown (Pa.) Call-Chronicle and Las Vegas
Sun, to mention just two, were greatly impressed. But when their
stories appeared in print, it took my breath away. The articles were
completely negative, making me look like that proverbial horse's
ass.

Naturally, there was nothing I could do about it, so I had to give up
on newspapers completely. I had long known the New York Times,
Washington Post and Philadelphia Inquirer wouldn't touch it because
they had several opportunities to do so but bowed to their vested
interests and ignored me.

Ditto for the TV network news shows like "60 Minutes."

For the longest time, it appeared the world would never know the truth
about the catastrophe that decimated both man and animal while coal
was being formed.

Then a miracle happened -- along came the Internet. It gave me a way
to reach the pubic but, of course, the public wasn't paying attention
because members of the Scientific Establishment kept making me
look like a fool and an imbecile.

And, if you recall, they had been doing a mighty fine job of it
right up until yesterday. That's when members of the Scientific
Establishment got the second biggest shock of their lives, dwarfed
only by the attack on the Twin Towers.

Suddenly overnight, with the presentation of an arsenal of physical
evidence, the ridicule and character assassination have eased
somewhat.

Suddenly, their cannons ran out of ammunition, accusations that
I'm a liar and a fraud.

Suddenly, these Clown Princes of Sciences -- long having made
a joke at the expense of sacred Science -- finally realized that
their involvement in deceit, deception, collusion and conspiracy
has caught up with them.

These Omniscient Buffoons have defended their colleagues
who, with incredible audacity, have made a mockery of physical
evidence, totally ignoring it and sometimes even tampering with it.

Thomas Alva Edison probably put in a nutshell what they were
doing for so long, and my dear friend Clayton was right on target,
too.

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Response Part V:

========= SOME OF THE SPECIMENS =========
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THE VERY FIRST DISCOVERY

The following is the very first discovery of petrified bone in
coal-bearing Carboniferous strata in June 1981.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/first.jpg

The specimen, which I found by accident, resembled a giant skull
and the Smithsonian expressed an interest after receiving a photo,
inviting me to bring it down to Washington so it could be examined
firsthand.

Three of its "experts" -- an anthropologist, a paleontologist and a
geologist -- looked it over carefully but, after a few minutes,
concurred that it was nothing more than a rock or concretion,
certainly nothng that had ever lived.

No one mentioned that a microscopic study of the specimen's
cellular structure would accurately identify whether it is or is not
bone. (I had no knowledge of this fact at the time and wouldn't
be aware of it until many months later)

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http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/thefactthat.gif

In any event, while preparing to leave the Smithsonian, I politely
asked if they would want to keep the specimen, perhaps to break
apart the jaw-like area to see if teeth could be found inside. The
three "experts" -- Joseph Brown and Robert McCurdy, the only
two names I remember -- laughed at me and said it would be
an absolute waste of their time.

About a month later -- rather discouraged -- I decided to search
the interior of the jaw-like area on my own. It began with a nail
to penetrate the rock hardness, then using all sorts of small tools
to reach inside and, strangely, begin pulling out what resembled
brownish dirt.

I was mysified that some sort of cavity existed and contacted
the Smithsonian about this -- but was ignored.

After several weeks of part-time labor, I found a pair of peculiar
objects inside. Photos were taken, greatly enlarged and sent to
Krogman, the bone expert.

Our friendship had begun months previous when I had driven
to Lancaster to show him the first strange sPecimen I had found
that had come from between coal veins -- the large skull that
the Smithsonian later dismissed as a rock.

Krogman studied the photo of the inclusion and then told me over
the phone that the object is definitely a premolar tooth because
"I can see a pair of cusps."

Here's the photo that Krogman had examined, with the dime
offering an indication of size.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-014S.JPG

The photo below shows another view of where the premolar was
attached.

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/z1.jpg

Krogman suggested an infrared scan be performed and it was done
at American Medical Laboratories in Chantilly, Va. Here's the result
of the test:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/graph.gif

This is what the laboratory stated in its official report:

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It meant that the inclusion in the jaw-like area was neither rock
nor concretion but something that once lived.

When the scan was interpreted later, this fact was confirmed.

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/compatible.gif

It also should be emphasized that microscopic study of the
skull-like object was conducted and Haversian canals -- miniscule
circles, the tell-tale sign of bone -- were visible.

It had prompted Krogman, at one point, to offer great encourgement,
as he followed the discoveries with great interest.:

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PETRIFIED HUMAN SKULL

The following specimen was identified by Krogman as a petrified
human calvarium -- a skull with the eyesockets broken off -- after
he personally had examined it and even measured it with
caliphers, expressing pleasure with the results..

Krogman, who was personally invited by the Egyptian government
to be present when a Pharoah's tomb was opened years before, is
shown holding the calvarium in the second photo.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z11calv.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/krogwskull.jpg

Moments after this photo was taken of Krogman with the specimen,
an associate -- a medical doctor -- walked into his office at the
Cooper Clinic in Lancaster, Pa., and he told him to come closer
to see "the oldest human skull ever found."

Two other photos of the specimen:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-006S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-007S.JPG

Meanwhile, a CATscan revealed a second protrusion not visible
to the naked eye but located precisely where it would be expected
to be found in a human cranium.

Here's a copy of that scan:

http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg

This specimen also tested positive for the presence of Haversian
canals under microscopic scrutiny.

Additionally, American Medical Laboratories performed testing
of calculus analysis by crystallography on the specimen and
found "a composition of dried blood intermingled with a few
small crystals resembling calcium oxalate dihydrate."

The laboratory's official report follows:

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ANOTHER PETRIFIED HUMAN SKULL -- IN A BOULDER

Another petrified human cranium was found approximately
a year later only a short distance from where the human
calvarium was discovered.

It was -- still is -- embedded in a boulder that must weigh at
least 3,000 pounds.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skulla.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skullb.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/other1.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z2_2.jpg

The Smithsonian was sent a photograph and Raymond Rye,
musem specialist, replied in writing: "The object ... does resemble
the outline of a human skull ... We must do a microscopic study
of the outer rind to determine if it has the structure of bone."

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The Smithsonian had been mailed granules, as requested, then
weeks later replied: "X-ray analysis of the material reveals it to be
quartz, the most abundant material of the earth's crust. So, although
the enigmatic object exposed in the boulder may resemble a hominid
skull, its mineral compostion is definitely not that of bone."

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/rr090982.gif

The fact is, "x-ray analysis" is NOTan appropriate test to identify
the presence or absence of cellular structure.

Later, a microcopic photo of granules removed from the specimen
revealed the presence of Haversian canals. (Actually, I knew they
did ahead of time because I had examined other granules
microscopically before sending them to the Smithsonian.)

Here's one of those microscopic photos of the cell structu

http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/proof1.jpg
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PETRIFIED HUMAN FEMUR

This is a petrified human femur still embedded in shale, a near-cousin
of coal. Portions of the bulb ends have broken off.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z6femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z8femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/z7femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Spec/MVC-001S.JPG

Since a femur measures approximately one-fourth of a human
being's height, the femur belonged to someone at least 7 1/2-foot
tall.

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PORTION OF A TIBIA (Fraudulently Tested)

This specimen was identified as a portion of a tibia by Krogman
and was subjected to one of the greatest cover-ups in the history
of science.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/newtibia.jpg

Andrew Macrae, then of Calgary University, performed fraudulent
testing when entrusted to examine its cellular structure and publish
the microscopic photos on his web page. Instead. he posted
microscopic photos of a rock or a concretion.

Macrae undoubtedly was advised and assisted by Paul Myers, then
of Temple University in Philadelphia and now at the University of
Minnesota.

When charged with participating in the scam, Myers adamantly denied
it. Then, when I suggested officials of Temple University check their
long-distance telephone calls during the time that Macrae was
"testing" the specimen in the summer of 1996, Myers suddenly admitted
in the talk.origins news group that he had made many phone calls
to Calgary University in that time span but on other business.

It didn't end there. Myers later admitted in talk.origins that he had
FLOWN to Calgary one weekend during that same time period and had
spent time on campus. He said he didn't even have a chance to say
hello to Macrae, claiming he was there on other business.

Here are two additional photos of the portion of the petrified tibia,
(known as EC96-001 for Macrae's fraudulent testing purposes).

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossil/z15tib2.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossil/z15tib1.jpg

In addition, a scanning electronic microscope (SEM) was used
to examine the interior surface features of this specimen and then
compare it with cadaver bone at the same power magnification. These
are the photos at 2,000-times magnification:.

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/bones.jpg

(They would look incredibly similiar if the grains were lying in
exactly the same direction.)

The left photo in the first URL below shows what Andrew Macrae
posted on his web page, claiming it was the cell structure of
C96-001 and nothing like bone should look like (in the right photo).
The next two photos show EC96-001's true cell structure.

http://www.edconrad.com/canals/ts_compare1.jpg
http://edconrad.com/canals/slide1.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/canals/0505160x.jpg

It was just one of several fraudulent maneuvers perpetrated
by members of the Scientifiic Establishment over the past 21 1/2
years when the first specimen -- the large petrified skull -- was
discovered.

Additionally, American Medical Laboratories performed calculus
analysis by crystallography on EC96-001 and determined that it
"consisted predominately of dried blood and protein."

That report follows:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-006S.JPG

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PETRIFIED MANDIBLES

Here's an assorment of miscellaneous specimens, primarily portions
of petrified mandibles (jaw bones), found between the same coal veins:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-006S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-010S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-004S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-005S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-007S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-008S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-009S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-011S.JPG

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PETRIFIED HUMAN LUNG

Here's a petrified human lung found between coal veins.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-015S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-016S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-017S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-018S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-019S.JPG

A lung is a soft organ and, as such, many contend it can never
petrify. However, in recent years it was established conclusively
that soft organs can indeed be subjected to the petrification process.

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PETRIFIED GALL BLADDER, WITH GALLSTONE

Here's a petrified gall bladder, and a CATscan revealed the presence
of a gall stone inside.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z5gall.jpg

This is one of the specimens that also was tested at American
Medical Laboratories via calculus analysis by crystallography.

It revealed the specimen "consists of a few small pieces of dried
blood," adding that "none of the constituents normally found
in urinary calculi are present." (which comes as no surprise since
the specimen it tested is petrified).

That report follows:

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PETRIFIED HUMAN BRAIN

This is a petrified human brain (one hemisphere):

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ANOTHER PETRIFIED BONE

Here's another petrified bone (a knee?):

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PAIR OF PETRIFIED FETUSES

Here are a pair of petrified fetuses.The large one, which has
been transformed to a coal-like substance, measures 6 1/2
inches in length.

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PETRIFIED DINOSAUR FOOT

Here's a portion of a dinosaur foot embedded in slate (or shale):

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It should be noted that a third "toe" was later found embedded
in the slate where it would be expected to be. A video tape exists
showing the top cover of slate patiently being removed, revealing
the third "toe" just beneath the surface.

I should mention that the petrified femur and petrifed dinosaur
foot remain as you see them -- still embedded in slate (or shale)
-- the way they were steamshoveled from between coal veins.

They are somewhere in this photo, taken from approximately five
miles up, of scar-marked land that was strip-mined of its coal. But
those remarkable discoveries are still there if you'd like to search.

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HANDCRAFTED WOODEN TOOL

Here's a petrified handcrafted wooden handle which has been
transformed to anthracite. It also was found between the same
two coal veins.

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PETRIFIED BONE EMBEDDED IN SLATE

Here's a portion of petrified bone still embedded in slate,
confirming that it's older than the material in which it was encased.
Obviously, that material had to be fluid or in a fluidy state for
something to harden around it.

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GIANT CANINE TOOTH

Here's a giant canine tooth, found between the same coal veins:

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(I accidentally dropped the giant tooth on the sidewalk in Hazleton,
Pa. -- too heavy for the paper bag --and the tip broke off but the
two pieces fit together almost perfectly.)

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PETRIFIED FETUS EMBEDDED IN SLATE

Here's another petrified fetus, this one still embedded in slate
(or shale).

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PORTION OF GIANT PETRIFIED SCORPION

This is a portion of a giant prehistoric scorpion that was
identified as such by Wilton Krogman.

When the world famous bone expert examined this specimen
found between coal veins, he first turned to me and mentioned
that he had performed countless disections of scorpions in college.

"What you have, Mr. Conrad (never Ed), is a portion of a giant
prehistoric scorpion," he told me.

When discovered, the specimen was broken in two parts but they
fit together perfectly.

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This particular specimen was the subject of another cover-up
by members of the Scientific Establishment -- the Department of
Entomology at Penn State University.

Penn State actually has batted 0-for-3 with its attempted
cover-ups of my specimens: First, its Department of Paleontology
(Roger Cuffey); Second, its Department of Anthropology (Robert
Eckardt). Third, its Department of Entomology (Charles Pitts).

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YERKES CONFIRMS SPECIMEN IS BONE

One of the specimens found between anthracite veins was positively
identified as petrified bone by the Yerkes Regional Primate Research
Center at Emory University in Atlanta, Ga., which Krogman described
as "the most prestigious institution of its kind in the world."

Jeremy Dahl, one of its bone experts who examined and tested it,
even put it in writing and signed his name, also making a drawing
of the specimen that he had examined and tested..

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Dahl definitely had examined the specimen's cell structure because
he had cut off a slice while it was is possession.

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PETRIFIED HOMINID MANDIBLE

Here's another petrified hominid jaw, the frontal portion. Inclusions
are embedded in it, possibly teeth or even part of the tongue.

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ANOTHER PETRIFIED SOFT ORGAN

Here's another soft organ that had petrified:

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PETRIFIED EGGS

Here are what appear to be petrified eggs. About eight of them
were found together more than 200 feet below the original
surface of the ground (on the side wall of a stripping pit).

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Here's where they were found: (that's a bulldozer):

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PETRIFIED BONE EMBEDDED IN SLATE

Here are other specimens of petrified bone embedded in slate.

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SOMEWHAT SIMILIAR SPECIMENS

Here are two strange specimens, almost similiar. What makes them
so intriguing is that they were found between anthracite veins some
40 miles apart -- one near Shenandoah and the other near Wilkes-Barre.

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THREE INTRIGUING SPECIMENS

Here are three intriguing specimens:
(For the kids' sake, let's call 'em "The Three Tenors.)

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RAYMOND DART IMPRESSED

The late, great Raymond Dart, MD., relished the opportunity to examine
some of the specimens after Krogman had informed him about them.

This photo shows Dart holding what Krogman identified as a calvarium,
a human cranium with the eye sockets broken off.

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Here's Raymond Dart's letter:

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28 October, 1983

Dear Mr. Conrad:

This is being written as a follow-up to our meeting here in
Philadelphia on Saturday, Oct. 15, during which I had the
opportunity to examine many of the rock-like objects you
had discovered in the coal fields of Pennsylvania, near
Shenandoah.
In my opinion, the vast majority bear the contour of bone
and may well be petrified bone.

I was particularly intrigued by one of your specimens which
I agree bears a distinct resemblance to a dainosaur head
or a homind skullcap, heavily petrified.
Based on our vast ignorance about vulconology, as regards
both anatomy and anthropology, I am of the opinion that your
findings definitely warrant intense investigation by that subject's
foremost experts, especially here in America where so many
volcanic disturbances occur even today.
Yours sincerely,
Raymond A. Dart (signed)

Raymond A. Dart, M.D.
Institute of Man
The Institutes for the Achievement of Human Potential
8801 Stenton Avenue
Philadelphia, Pa. 19118

Here's a photo of Raymond Dart with Ed Conrad (the photo was
taken by a house painter who obliged by decending a ladder
to do so.)

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DINOSAUR FOOT EMBEDDED IN SLATE

That man co-existed with dinosaurs -- back while anthracite was
being formed -- gains credence with these photos of a petrified
dinosaur foot embedded in slate.

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PECULAIR SPECIMEN

Another specimen of petrified bone embedded in slate

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The original Easter bunny? Then, again, it might be the head
of a petrified jackass. And, IF it is, it would be rather appropriate.

The Scientific Establishment -- led by its worldwide brood of
arrogant, defiant tenured fossils -- has long been treating
John Q. Public, and his kids, like a jackass, promoting fairy tales
and molesting truth.

Over the past 22 years, it has engaged in deceit, deception, collusion
and conspiracy -- of MONUMENTAL proportions -- and one of the
ringleaders has been the Smithsonian Institution.

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And here's my final thought (six pictures should be worth
6,000 words):

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No question, members of the scientific establishment academia
-- professors, students and alumni -- have long been fearful
of me and my discoveries because of the dire consequences
they realized what truth would bring.

And well they should have been because now that time has
come. They're finally being put in their place and recognized
for the total disgrace to science that they have been.

NOW they're not just *afraid* of Ed Conrad. They're terrified.

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

Man as Old as Coal
and
Proof of Life After Death

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PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH

Now that charges of a conspiracy against truth have been lodged
against the Scientific Establishment regarding its hokus-pokus
theory of the evolution of man, it's time to hammer a few more nails
into its coffin for its lack of integrity in another serious matter.

This business of death.

Same as with evolution, vested interests have long prevented
members of the Scientific Establishment from speaking out and
admitting that considerable evidence exists that indicates physical
death is not our end and that our spirit, just like Ol' Man River,
just keeps rollin' along.


=========PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH ==========

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(Remember the "Coal Mine Rescue" episode on the documentary
TV series, "Spirit of Survival," which had been aired by the Discovery
Channel perhaps two dozen times about eight-10 years ago?

I wrote this lengthy article that appeared in the Hazleton (Pa.)
Standard-Speaker newspaper on May 30, 1990, shortly after David
Fellin's death (two weeks before his 85th birthday). It sheds much
more light on the subject,

Henry "Hank" Throne, the other coal miner entombed with Fellin,
passed away about four years ago.

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By ED CONRAD
All Rights Reserved
Copyright (c) 1990

Conclusive evidence of life after death actually has been available
for 40 years.

This opinion is shared by two of the world's foremost authorities on
death and dying, Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and Dr. Bruce Greyson.

They agree that the proof had been provided by a pair of Pennsylvania
coal miners who, back in 1963, revealed that Pope John XXIII had
appeared to both of them at the same time during their 14-day
entombment following an underground cave-in near Hazleton, Pa.

Pope John died in a hospital in Rome, Italy, on June 3, 1963, some 10
weeks before the cave-in.

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David Fellin, one of the miners, personally had told Dr. Kubler-Ross
about the appearance of the deceased pontiff and provided details of
other mysterious, supernatural experiences which he, then 58, and
Henry ``Hank" Throne, then 28, had shared while cut off from the rest
of the world during the first five days of their grueling ordeal.

Among the remarkable things Fellin had told Dr. Kubler-Ross during a
day-long conversation in her home in Headwaters, Va., were the two
separate occasions that he insisted he and Throne had been out of
their physical bodies at the same time, during which they actually had
engaged in conversation.

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Dr. Kubler-Ross, the internationally acclaimed author of numerous
books on death and dying, said she believed Fellin and stated that the
miners' miraculous rescue, the appearance of the deceased pope and the
out-of-body experiences shared by two persons at the same time --
never before documented -- is ``the evidence . . . that life does not
end when our physical body dies."

Dr. Greyson, then a psychiatrist at the University of Connecticut
Health Center and an official of The International Association for
Near-death Studies, had become acquainted with the incredible details
of the supernatural events connected with the cave-in only in the last
year of Fellin's life but had found them fascinating.

``I am most intrigued by the simultaneous experiences of David Fellin
and Hank Throne, who apparently conversed while out of their bodies,"
he stated. ``If they can corroborate each other's accounts, they could
provide evidence for the reality of `The Other Side' beyond anything
yet available."

When making that statement, Dr. Greyson, then the editor of The
Journal of Near-Death Studies, hadn't been aware that such
corroboration actually had taken place soon after Fellin and Throne
had been dramatically rescued.

After being pulled to the surface through a 17 1/2-inch bore hole on
Aug. 27, 1963, the two miners had been interviewed individually, then
together, by a pair of psychiatrists and a third staff member from the
Institute of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.

These intriguing interviews, the subject of an article in the American
Journal of Psychiatry, offered the evidence that both men undoubtedly
had been mutual participants in a series of mysterious, supernatural
events, including the appearance of the late pontiff, and their joint
out-of-body experiences.

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The Journal article stated that ``neither man exhibited evidence of
psychosis or marked mental abnormality when examined,'' yet dismissed
their similar experiences as ``fantasies" and ``hallucinations." The
authors felt they had been caused by the miners' life-threatening
situation when entombed.

This was their conclusion even through both men independently had
described a variety of similar unexplained occurrences underground.

They had mentioned, among other things, that their darkened chamber
suddenly was illuminated with a bluish light; the deceased pontiff
appearing to them; and seeing a large number of men who were neither
miners nor members of the rescue party.

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Fellin also revealed that, shortly after being rescued, he had been
interviewed for more than seven hours by the U.S. Navy Survival Team
headed by Lt. Richard Anderson, a medical doctor and psychiatrist.

Fellin said the day after his interview, Lt. Anderson visited his
hospital room and told him he was absolutely certain his experiences
were factual because Throne also had been interviewed for several
hours -- something Fellin hadn't even been aware of -- and their two
stories had meshed perfectly.

``Dr. Anderson told me that our story MUST be true because it would be
impossible for two people to concoct a story that would stand up so
well during such lengthy interviews," said Fellin. "In fact, he told
me if the President (Kennedy) or the pope (Pope Paul VI, who succeeded
Pope John XXIII) would say our story wasn't true, I shouldn't argue
with them but simply walk away because he KNOWS it's true."

It should be noted that all attempts to obtain a copy of Fellin's
taped interview or a transcript from the U.S. Navy in recent years has
been unsuccessful. In fact, Navy officials first denied knowledge of
Lt. Anderson but later -- in response to a request for information by
a U.S. Congressman -- admitted that he had resigned from the Navy in
1964, the year following the cave-in and rescue.

Dr. Kubler-Ross said Fellin's revelations are ``obviously true'' and
emphasized that she is convinced that Pope John XXIII had much to do
with their survival. ``From the moment of the late pope's appearance
until they were moved out of the drillholes, he illuminated their cave
with a bluish light radiating from him," she stated.

Dr. Kubler-Ross also was greatly impressed by the manner in which the
two miners had survived the first five days following the cave-in,
calling it ``a guideline for our miners, soldiers, mountain climbers
and all those at risk to face a similar ordeal one day."

She referred to their battle to stay alive as ``a story of faith,
courage, and mutual care and respect . . ."

Concerning Fellin's claims of having shared two out-of-body trips with
Throne at his side, Dr. Kubler-Ross said she is certain they indeed
had taken place, calling them ``very real, as I am happy to witness
from my own life experiences."

Throne actually was the first to reveal the supernatural experiences
after being rescued, even though Fellin emphatically had warned him
not to do so. He said, just before Throne had been hauled to the
surface, he had grabbed him by the shirt and told him he'd better not
say a word about them because ``If you do, right away they'll say
you're nuts."

Throne failed to heed the advice and, in fact, had told several nurses
and attendants at Hazleton State General Hospital about a few of the
mysterious occurrences soon after being flown there in a U.S. Navy
helicopter.

Throne also mentioned some of these mysterious events during an
exclusive interview he had granted to The Associated Press which had
appeared in newspapers worldwide. Fellin also had been interviewed by
the AP, during which he corroborated some of the things his companion
had related.

Commented Throne while being interviewed by AP:

``There were times we saw people who weren't there and lights that
weren't there and doors that weren't there. Imagine seeing a regular
house door down in the bottom of a mine. I'd sleep! I'd wake up. I'd
see all kinds of lights and the actual figures of people. They now
tell me these were hallucinations but the crazy thing is that Davey
would see the things the same as I did."

Commented Fellin during his interview:

``Now they're trying to tell me those things were hallucinations, that
we imagined it all. We didn't! Our minds weren't playing tricks on us.
I've been a practical hard-headed miner all my life. My mind was clear
down there in the mine. These things happened! I can't explain them.
I'm almost afraid to think what might be the explanation."

Fellin said just after granting these interviews to the wire service,
psychiatrists and psychologists began inferring that Throne, whose
interview was published first, temporarily had lost his sanity inside
the mine. This undoubtedly explains why Throne, who is still living,
had been reluctant to discuss these experiences after freely talking
about them in the first few days following his rescue.

Fellin decided to say nothing further about them for years because he
said he had become extremely angry that his companion's sanity had
been seriously questioned. ``If they wouldn't believe Hank (back in
1963), they sure as hell wouldn't have believed me," said Fellin.

However, over the past five years before his death, Fellin had left
numerous notarized letters and taped conversations -- both audio and
video -- in which he vividly detailed a number of supernatural events
in which he insisted he had participated.

Fellin said he was absolutely certain he and Throne had been out of
their physical bodies because, the first time it happened, they
suddenly found themselves STANDING some 40-50 feet from the refuge
area with a crowd of normal-looking men on both sides of them.

He said he then looked over his shoulder and saw him and Throne still
SITTING back in the enclosure. Fellin said he needed additional proof
that it wasn't a dream or a hallucination, therefore extended his
right hand in front of one of the men standing next to him to see if
it would cast a shadow, which it did.

``That's when I knew for sure I wasn't going crazy," said Fellin. ``If
that hadn't happened, I never would've mentioned a word about the
strange things which had taken place."

Due to Fellin's age and very poor eyesight, the letters had been
written on his behalf by veteran newsman Ed Conrad of the Hazleton
Standard-Speaker, who had met the longtime miner for the very first
time a week before his 80th birthday at the wake of a mutual friend.

Conrad had been greatly impressed with Fellin's almost total recall of
events concerning the cave-in and rescue and also was impressed with
his intelligence and tremendous humility.

When Fellin revealed some of the strange events which had transpired
while he and Throne were entombed, Conrad pursued the role of an
investigative reporter.

Fellin's letters had been based strictly on what he had told Conrad
during their conversations, the vast majority of which had been taped.
Each letter had been read to Fellin, who signed it and had it
notarized only after it had met his complete satisfaction as being
totally accurate.

Conrad also arranged for Fellin to take a polygraph concerning his
revelations about the validity of his experiences and he emphatically
agreed to do so.

One question asked of Fellin was: ``After your chamber suddenly lit up
with a mysterious bluish light, did you and Hank see Pope John XXIII,
then Hank asked you `Who's that fella?' " He answered ``Yes."

Fellin also was asked: ``When you and Hank were out of your enclosure
for the first time, did you find yourself walking among a large crowd
and then look back and see you and Hank still sitting in the chamber?
He answered ``Yes."

The certified polygraphist who had administered the test had stated in
writing that the answer to both questions had revealed ``no reactions
indicative of deception."

In one of his letters, Fellin testified that when it was apparent that
neither he nor Throne would get out of the mine alive, he had gotten
angry with God and said a ``prayer'' in which he had demanded that the
Creator at least have the decency to let him know what evil he had
done in his lifetime that he was being forced to die ``a thousand
deaths'' while facing mental and physical torture inside the mine.

He said a short while later, what appeared to be three tiny bluish
fireflies suddenly appeared in the total darkness, began expanding and
soon filled the entire chamber with a bluish light.

Fellin testified that the bluish light, which cast no shadow, had
provided perfect visibility. He also said the small enclosure where
they had been trapped expanded, enabling them to move around.

Fellin further testified that, when the bluish light enabled them to
see, he noticed Pope John XXIII at an elevation in the distance,
visible only from the waist up.

He said the pontiff, who was 81 when he died, appeared to be about
half that age, his arms were folded in front of him and he was
grinning at them.

Fellin said Pope John, who had been elected the Catholic church's
262nd pontiff in 1958, was wearing a black cassock ``like that of a
poor parish priest.

``It wasn't a vision and it wasn't a picture," he remarked. ``It was
him: Pope John! I'd have recognized him anywhere."

Fellin said he hoped Throne wouldn't see the pope -- fearing Hank
would go berserk if he realized a dead man was with them -- but the
younger man definitely saw him because he had pointed at the pontiff
and excitedly asked: ``Who's that fella?"

Fellin also testified that Pope John remained with him and Throne
right up to the time they were hauled to the surface (a week later)
wearing parachute harnesses and football helmets while newspapermen
from around the world were assembled at the mine site.

Pope John, one of 13 children of an Italian sharecropper, was admired
for his tremendous humility. In his first appearance to a huge crowd
assembled in the Vatican courtyard following his election, he came out
wearing only a cassock and surplice to the great surprise of the huge
crowd and the utter shock of church hierarchy.

Fellin, during the last years of his life, insisted he had made
numerous incredible journeys to ``The Other Side" of death.

``I was shown `The Other World'," he stated. ``This is NOT the real
world. We have to earn our place in the real world. I KNOW because I
made the whole trip."

Fellin, interestingly, said a multitude of persons who have come close
to death and later insisted they had traveled through ``a tunnel of
light" are mistaken.

``This is because they're unknowledgeable about tunnels," he
explained. ``I spent more than 50 years working inside tunnels in the
mines and even helped build many of them, so I should know a lot about
tunnels -- and I do!

``These people didn't travel throught a tunnel. Actually, there's an
umbrella of light over their head and it moves along with them as they
move along in the darkness."

Much of what Fellin had seen and experienced during his journeys to
``The Other Side" is detailed in additional notarized letters.

It should be noted that, during their second joint out-of-body
journey, Fellin and Throne had come across beautiful marble doors
which were open and revealed stairs. Throne told Fellin they should
walk up the stairs because they would lead to the surface and safety.

However, when Throne was in the process of taking his very first step
toward the doors, they suddenly closed and he became extremely angry,
threatening to break down the doors. When he did, he and Fellin were
returned to their physical bodies.

Following that incident, Throne made no additional out-of-body trips,
although Fellin insisted he made many, many others past the marble
doors.

Among Fellin's most remarkable revelations were journeys he insisted
he had taken back in time which had afforded him an opportunity to
witness monumental events of history as they actually occurred.

He testified, for example, that he had watched the construction of the
pyramids in Egypt and had been aboard Christopher Columbus' ship --
unseen by Columbus and his crew -- during his journey to discover
America.

As for the time-honored question of how the pyramids were built,
Fellin said, based on what he had observed, it was nowhere near the
gargantuan task as is generally theorized. He emphasized that it did
not require thousands of men working for hundreds of years because
not a single multi-ton rock had to be hauled to the site from a great
distance.

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HOW THE PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT

(Update: I've told others the secret. I might as well tell you.
Several blocks were being built at the same time. Each block
had 20-25 Egyptian-looking men carrying pails of what looked
like water and what looked like sand, and they were pouring
the contents into a wooden form -- as concrete is poured today.
A Caucausion man with an extremely dark tan was directing
the men building each of the blocks, and the "supervisor" and
his workers were getting along very well.)

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Meanwhile, Fellin said Columbus -- whom he described as having yellow
hair and a red beard -- was Tyrolean, not Italian, and that the secret
of his success was simply because he had mastered the use of the
compass.

The compass assured Columbus that, if he didn't reach land by the
time half of the crew's food supply was depleted, he'd simply turn his
vessel around and head in the opposite direction to make it back to
his home port.

Fellin told Conrad that he had learned that Columbus' real name wasn't
even Columbus.

``He was called Columbo, which is Latin for pigeon, but it was only
his nickname," he explained. ``Columbus had earned the nickname by
sailing to points unknown and always returning safely. So people
around the docks started calling him Columbo -- meaning that he was a
homing pigeon that always returned to its nest.

"Of course, they didn't realize Columbus was using the compass -- a
very large compass which was right in the middle of his very small
cabin -- to earn his reputation as an excellent seaman. Back then, the
compass had been regarded as nothing more than a child's toy, not as a
navigating instrument."

Explicit details of Fellin's out-of-body journeys which enabled to
watch the pyramids being built as well as to observe Columbus during
his trip across the Atlantic to discover America in 1492 are revealed
in several of his notarized letters.

The mine rescue operation, unprecedented in the annals of mining
anywhere in the world, had become a top news story only after contact
had been made with Fellin and Throne who had been given up for dead.

The two miners had been discovered to be alive after a six-inch bore
hole had been drilled into the earth in a million-to-one shot. The
objective had been to reach an area where three men who had been
inside Oneida No. 2 mine might have found shelter if, indeed, they
hadn't perished in the cave-in.

"MINE MIRACLE," headlined the Los Angeles Times in its edition of
Monday, Aug. 19 (1963), although erroneously reporting that all three
miners -- including Louis Bova, 54 -- were alive.

The rather incredible news that two of the men were still alive after
five days underground was major news and remained so until their
rescue.

Mining officials, engineers and men who had worked inside that
particular mine had helped determine the placement of a stake at the
most probable location where the original bore hole should penetrate
the earth a distance of more than 300 feet.

Only in the last years of his life did Fellin learn that the
bull's-eye hole, which had enabled contact with the outside world,
hadn't even been drilled at the original stake.

One of the men in charge of the rescue operation had admitted in a
newspaper article on the fifth anniversary of the cave-in that the
heavy rig containing the drill, which had been driven to the mine site
from a distance of many miles, actually had experienced mechanical
failure some 20-30 feet from the stake.

It was then decided, since the unprecedented attempt to reach the men
through a bore hole bordered on the impossible, that drilling be done
precisely where the truck had broken down.

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Once contact had been made with Fellin and Throne, the only hope of
rescuing them was to drill a much larger bore hole, through which the
men could be pulled to the surface.

The bit used to drill the 17 1/2-inch-wide hole, through which they
eventually were hauled to the surface, had been flown to the site free
of charge by one of billionaire Howard Hughes' drilling companies in
Texas.

Bova died as a result of the cave-in in the mine located only a
half-mile from Fellin's home and his body was never recovered. A
tombstone had been erected above the area where the cave-in had
occurred.

Fellin and Throne, who had been underground a total of 329 hours and
17 minutes, had received a telegram from President Kennedy, who would
be assassinated in Dallas less than three months later.

``Congratulations," JFK had wired them. ``The stamina, courage and
spirit which you and your rescuers have exhibited in recent days have
earned the admiration of all Americans. I wish to join with them in
expressing my heartfelt good wishes for your speedy recovery."

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The cave-in and rescue had been featured as part of the popular
``Survival!" television documentary series in the mid-1960s and a
re-edited program -- complete with actual film clips of the rescue --
had been telecast several times in recent years.

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Proof of Life After Death
and
Man as Old as Coal

Ed Conrad
http://.www.edconrad.com

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