Newbie Scope ideas and Questions...

Hi all, im new to astronomy I owned one of those cheap dinky department
store telescopes before... long time ago- and enjoyed looking mainly at the
moon. I had a few questions to ask well- anyone that will answer them.
first off- with all UNDER 10,000 dollar telescopes just see stars as dots of
light? I guess this might be a stupid question- but personally I was
underwehlmed looking through telescopes at our local photography stores Mars
Night last week. Maybe the telescopes didnt have much power- but stars were
just dots of light. Dont get me wrong- i find it amazing thinking about how
long ago the light reaching my eye was sent out- but im curious if thats all
of stars you see with non- observatory power scopes.

2. I love looking at the moon. Its just my favorite object Ive seen thus far
through a scope- the detail amazes me. Ive seen it through expensive scopes
( went to an observatory in hawaii when i was there for vacation- up in the
mountains- saw all sorts of objects through all of these telescopes- simply
amazing detail)
My goal is to get a scope that gives me the best detail of the moon for the
price- and have it be able to take photos I own a 35mm pentax SLR so Ive
got the camera aspect covered- but scope wise i dont know what id need. I
enjoyed looking at mars too- and still do- but we've had bad weather lately.

With the above in mind- can anyone recommend a good telescope- and does
anyone have any pictures that might show me the detail i would see in stars-
mars- and of the moon through that recommended scope?

i look online and see all sorts of pictures - great detail- beautiful
colors- etc of stars and of the moon and such but I have no idea if it was a
huge obsevetory that took them- or just a backyard astronomer- so id like to
get a feel for the detail im getting.

Yes I know the number one rule is try before you buy- and im trying to
contact some astronomy clubs in my area to do just that but i thought a
second opinion never hurts-- right?


thanks in advance

Good response, Roger.


Capt RB

"Roger Hamlett" wrote in message
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"Michael Keating" wrote in message
.. .
Even the Hubble, will 'just see stars as dots of light'. In fact there
have
only been a couple of observations made of the very closest stars, with
the
very largest scopes, that have any measurable angle at all. Even the

Here's a link to an image by the Hubble Space Telescope of the massive Red
Giant star Betelgeuse, which is relatively close, and one of the very few
stars that can be resolved to more than a pinpoint.

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/1996/04/

As you can see, only with the most powerful telescopes and the closest, most
massive stars, direct imaging of stellar disks becomes a possibility.

Jeroen.

"Michael Keating" wrote in
:

Hi all, im new to astronomy I owned one of those cheap dinky
department store telescopes before... long time ago- and enjoyed
looking mainly at the moon. I had a few questions to ask well- anyone
that will answer them. first off- with all UNDER 10,000 dollar
telescopes just see stars as dots of light? I guess this might be a
stupid question- but personally I was underwehlmed looking through
telescopes at our local photography stores Mars Night last week. Maybe
the telescopes didnt have much power- but stars were just dots of
light. Dont get me wrong- i find it amazing thinking about how long
ago the light reaching my eye was sent out- but im curious if thats
all of stars you see with non- observatory power scopes.

Stars are at vast distances. As the other poster said some of the near by
giant stars like Betelguese can and have been resolved as a disk, by large
Telescopes. Ground based ones have to use special techniques to overcome
air turbulence to obtain the necessary resolution, whereas the Hubble Space
Telescope can do it directly.

The theoretical resolution of a telescope is related only to the diameter
of the aperture. See:

http://www.licha.de/AstroWeb/article...php3?iHowTo=16



2. I love looking at the moon. Its just my favorite object Ive seen
thus far through a scope- the detail amazes me. Ive seen it through
expensive scopes ( went to an observatory in hawaii when i was there
for vacation- up in the mountains- saw all sorts of objects through
all of these telescopes- simply amazing detail)
My goal is to get a scope that gives me the best detail of the moon
for the
price- and have it be able to take photos I own a 35mm pentax SLR
so Ive got the camera aspect covered- but scope wise i dont know what
id need. I enjoyed looking at mars too- and still do- but we've had
bad weather lately.

With the above in mind- can anyone recommend a good telescope- and
does anyone have any pictures that might show me the detail i would
see in stars- mars- and of the moon through that recommended scope?

I personally drool over these:

http://www.globaldialog.com/~obsessiontscp/OBHP.html

and

http://www.starmastertelescopes.com/

They can been adapted to photography by throwing them on an equatorial
platform.

Another option would be a Meade or Celestron Schmidt Cassegrain with all
the electronic gee gaws and a wedge to change them to equatorial mode


i look online and see all sorts of pictures - great detail- beautiful
colors- etc of stars and of the moon and such but I have no idea if it
was a huge obsevetory that took them- or just a backyard astronomer-
so id like to get a feel for the detail im getting.

Photography can and does show much more than you can see visually through a
Telescope. Amateurs often take astrophoto's that rival what you see from
professionals. If you get a copy of "Sky & Telescope" you will see that
each month they have a section where they publish amateur astrophoto's.
They also give details of the scope and camera used etc. For wide field
photography, the apochromatic refractors are hard to beat but they are a
lot of buck for the bang so to speak.

Rgds Llanzlan.



Yes I know the number one rule is try before you buy- and im trying to
contact some astronomy clubs in my area to do just that but i
thought a second opinion never hurts-- right?


thanks in advance

Thanks guys I do have one problem- after measuing the doorway- I doubt id
be able to even get that telescope outside Any more... compact solutions


thanks again


"Michael Keating" wrote in message
.. .
Hi all, im new to astronomy I owned one of those cheap dinky department
store telescopes before... long time ago- and enjoyed looking mainly at
the
moon. I had a few questions to ask well- anyone that will answer them.
first off- with all UNDER 10,000 dollar telescopes just see stars as dots
of
light? I guess this might be a stupid question- but personally I was
underwehlmed looking through telescopes at our local photography stores
Mars
Night last week. Maybe the telescopes didnt have much power- but stars
were
just dots of light. Dont get me wrong- i find it amazing thinking about
how
long ago the light reaching my eye was sent out- but im curious if thats
all
of stars you see with non- observatory power scopes.

2. I love looking at the moon. Its just my favorite object Ive seen thus
far
through a scope- the detail amazes me. Ive seen it through expensive
scopes
( went to an observatory in hawaii when i was there for vacation- up in
the
mountains- saw all sorts of objects through all of these telescopes-
simply
amazing detail)
My goal is to get a scope that gives me the best detail of the moon for
the
price- and have it be able to take photos I own a 35mm pentax SLR so
Ive
got the camera aspect covered- but scope wise i dont know what id need. I
enjoyed looking at mars too- and still do- but we've had bad weather
lately.

With the above in mind- can anyone recommend a good telescope- and does
anyone have any pictures that might show me the detail i would see in
stars-
mars- and of the moon through that recommended scope?

i look online and see all sorts of pictures - great detail- beautiful
colors- etc of stars and of the moon and such but I have no idea if it was
a
huge obsevetory that took them- or just a backyard astronomer- so id like
to
get a feel for the detail im getting.

Yes I know the number one rule is try before you buy- and im trying to
contact some astronomy clubs in my area to do just that but i thought a
second opinion never hurts-- right?


thanks in advance

Hmm is it normal to have to disassemble a scope to get it outside iwth these
bigger scopes? If so maybe ill try the recommended one :P
"Michael Keating" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks guys I do have one problem- after measuing the doorway- I doubt
id
be able to even get that telescope outside Any more... compact
solutions


thanks again


"Michael Keating" wrote in message
.. .
Hi all, im new to astronomy I owned one of those cheap dinky
department
store telescopes before... long time ago- and enjoyed looking mainly at
the
moon. I had a few questions to ask well- anyone that will answer them.
first off- with all UNDER 10,000 dollar telescopes just see stars as
dots
of
light? I guess this might be a stupid question- but personally I was
underwehlmed looking through telescopes at our local photography stores
Mars
Night last week. Maybe the telescopes didnt have much power- but stars
were
just dots of light. Dont get me wrong- i find it amazing thinking about
how
long ago the light reaching my eye was sent out- but im curious if thats
all
of stars you see with non- observatory power scopes.

2. I love looking at the moon. Its just my favorite object Ive seen thus
far
through a scope- the detail amazes me. Ive seen it through expensive
scopes
( went to an observatory in hawaii when i was there for vacation- up in
the
mountains- saw all sorts of objects through all of these telescopes-
simply
amazing detail)
My goal is to get a scope that gives me the best detail of the moon for
the
price- and have it be able to take photos I own a 35mm pentax SLR so
Ive
got the camera aspect covered- but scope wise i dont know what id need.
I
enjoyed looking at mars too- and still do- but we've had bad weather
lately.

With the above in mind- can anyone recommend a good telescope- and does
anyone have any pictures that might show me the detail i would see in
stars-
mars- and of the moon through that recommended scope?

i look online and see all sorts of pictures - great detail- beautiful
colors- etc of stars and of the moon and such but I have no idea if it
was
a
huge obsevetory that took them- or just a backyard astronomer- so id
like
to
get a feel for the detail im getting.

Yes I know the number one rule is try before you buy- and im trying to
contact some astronomy clubs in my area to do just that but i thought
a
second opinion never hurts-- right?


thanks in advance