NASA not to comment on movie

A movie called "The Day after Tomorrow" is coming that explores the
myth
called Global Warming.

NASA scientists ordered not to discuss sci-fi flick
New York Times | Submitted by: Timisoara
"'Urgent: HQ Direction,' began a message e-mailed on April 1 to dozens
of scientists and officials at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in
Greenbelt, Md... In The Day After Tomorrow, a $125 million disaster
film set to open on May 28, global warming from accumulating
smokestack and tailpipe gases disrupts warm ocean currents and sets
off an instant ice age... the prospect that moviegoers will be alarmed
enough to blame the Bush administration for inattention to climate
change has stirred alarm at the space agency, scientists there say.
'No one from NASA is to do interviews or otherwise comment on anything
having to do with' the film, said the April 1 message, which was sent
by Goddard's top press officer. 'Any news media wanting to discuss
science fiction vs. science fact about climate change will need to
seek comment from individuals or organizations not associated with
NASA.'"

P.S.; No point in any public outcry on this. Asia is industrializing
at light speed and is now the largest user of fossil fuels on Earth.
Pity the flawed Kyoto Accord EXEMPTS China and India from any
pollution
contols, making any effort to prevent the accumulation of gasses a
waste
of @#$#@ time!
-Rich

P.S.; No point in any public outcry on this. A

HI Rich:

Why did you post it, then, pray tell? As for me, the tragedy is the
politicizing of NASA...not that that's anything new.

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On 29 Apr 2004 16:28:15 -0700, (Richard) wrote:

A movie called "The Day after Tomorrow" is coming that explores the
myth
called Global Warming...

Global warming is as close to a fact as any observation can get. How much of it
is driven my man-made effects remains less certain, although nearly all
researchers agree that at least some component is anthropogenic.

It seems like you are the one trying to politicize science here.

Obviously, the movie is standard Hollywood fare, and plays up the worst possible
scenario (which also means a rather unlikely one).

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

Richard wrote:
A movie called "The Day after Tomorrow" is coming that explores the
myth
called Global Warming.

NASA scientists ordered not to discuss sci-fi flick
New York Times | Submitted by: Timisoara
"'Urgent: HQ Direction,' began a message e-mailed on April 1 to dozens
of scientists and officials at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in
Greenbelt, Md... In The Day After Tomorrow, a $125 million disaster
film set to open on May 28, global warming from accumulating
smokestack and tailpipe gases disrupts warm ocean currents and sets
off an instant ice age... the prospect that moviegoers will be alarmed
enough to blame the Bush administration for inattention to climate
change has stirred alarm at the space agency, scientists there say.
'No one from NASA is to do interviews or otherwise comment on anything
having to do with' the film, said the April 1 message, which was sent
by Goddard's top press officer. 'Any news media wanting to discuss
science fiction vs. science fact about climate change will need to
seek comment from individuals or organizations not associated with
NASA.'"

P.S.; No point in any public outcry on this. Asia is industrializing
at light speed and is now the largest user of fossil fuels on Earth.
Pity the flawed Kyoto Accord EXEMPTS China and India from any
pollution
contols, making any effort to prevent the accumulation of gasses a
waste
of @#$#@ time!
-Rich

What a bunch of bullpucky. I don't believe a word of this. Please cite
a reliable source or cancel the message. Note the date, too...

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After the proclamation from NASA, in true gutless government "counterspeak",
no doubt to the public outcry,
Nasa has reversed that decision.
Orion

"Richard" wrote in message
m...
A movie called "The Day after Tomorrow" is coming that explores the
myth
called Global Warming.

NASA scientists ordered not to discuss sci-fi flick
New York Times | Submitted by: Timisoara
"'Urgent: HQ Direction,' began a message e-mailed on April 1 to dozens
of scientists and officials at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in
Greenbelt, Md... In The Day After Tomorrow, a $125 million disaster
film set to open on May 28, global warming from accumulating
smokestack and tailpipe gases disrupts warm ocean currents and sets
off an instant ice age... the prospect that moviegoers will be alarmed
enough to blame the Bush administration for inattention to climate
change has stirred alarm at the space agency, scientists there say.
'No one from NASA is to do interviews or otherwise comment on anything
having to do with' the film, said the April 1 message, which was sent
by Goddard's top press officer. 'Any news media wanting to discuss
science fiction vs. science fact about climate change will need to
seek comment from individuals or organizations not associated with
NASA.'"

P.S.; No point in any public outcry on this. Asia is industrializing
at light speed and is now the largest user of fossil fuels on Earth.
Pity the flawed Kyoto Accord EXEMPTS China and India from any
pollution
contols, making any effort to prevent the accumulation of gasses a
waste
of @#$#@ time!
-Rich


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Probably what you said about the movie is true. On the other hand, the
Pentagon group responsible for long-term strategic planning (20 to 30 years
ahead) has released a report that says that global warming is real, and
offers some speculations on what it'll do to the world's population. The
picture wasn't a rosey one, mainly wars due to people vying for resources.

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On 29 Apr 2004 16:28:15 -0700, (Richard) wrote:

A movie called "The Day after Tomorrow" is coming that explores the
myth
called Global Warming...

Global warming is as close to a fact as any observation can get. How much
of it
is driven my man-made effects remains less certain, although nearly all
researchers agree that at least some component is anthropogenic.

It seems like you are the one trying to politicize science here.

Obviously, the movie is standard Hollywood fare, and plays up the worst
possible
scenario (which also means a rather unlikely one).

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

population. The
picture wasn't a rosey one, mainly wars due to people vying for
resources.


unlike history-to-date, with wars due to religion.................

population. The
picture wasn't a rosey one, mainly wars due to people vying for
resources.


unlike history-to-date, with wars due to religion.................


Now thats funny....because I immediately wondered if fighting over religious
ideas would be better or worse than fighting over resources.....

Then, I though.....thank gawd we dont have people fighting over a limited
supply of religous resources (ie, limited edition plastics jesus's)....because
that would be REALLY bad....

Then, I remembered the Middle East....which IS just that (ie thats OUR holy
ground)....and look how BAD it...

take care

Blll

"Orion" wrote in message ...
After the proclamation from NASA, in true gutless government "counterspeak",
no doubt to the public outcry, Nasa has reversed that decision.
Orion

Damn! Not only did I NOT get the memo saying that I was not to
comment on the movie, I didn't get the REVERSED memo saying that I
could! I seem to have missed the public outcry, as well.

So, we are (supposedly) not to comment on a movie that isn't even out
yet? Terrific! (FYI- release date is May 28th)

Instead of "gutless government counterspeak", I think we have an
example of, "Government Science Agency couldn't give a flying fig
about another stupid (but possibly entertaining) Hollywood Kinda SciFi
Flick."

Can we apply the scientific method to this crazy rumor of a sinister
NASA coverup? Please ask yourself the simple question, does NASA have
more to gain or to lose if the public is interested in science? I
don't care how bad the movie is (in the sense of scientific
semi-accuracy). Most people know that they are watching
entertainment, not a documentary. After seeing the movie some folks
may have opened their minds enough to want to learn more.

So, if I am ever asked by a member of the media what I think of "The
Day After Tomorrow", I may say that the science in the film is
somewhat more accurate than the science in "The Core" (in other words,
from very poor science to none).

In checking the web (Ebert & Roeper, and Movies.com) I see that we can
expect as an example of really cool science (pardon the pun), "Instant
freezes, which is when air sucked from the upper atmosphere rushes
down and freezes everything on the ground (including people) in
seconds."

Source- http://movies.go.com/movies/T/theday...004/index.html

Also in the film, "As millions of terrified survivors try to find
shelter, Professor Jack Hall (Dennis Quaid), a brilliant
paleoclimatologist, heads to New York City ? now a frozen wasteland ?
in search of his son Sam (Jake Gyllenhaal), who may still be alive."
(Source, above link) If he is so brilliant, how is it that he lets
his son become IQF (Individually Quick Frozen)?

This does not sound like something that NASA need be overly concerned
about. However, New York City takes on the chin again. Check out the
clip of the "Storm Tide" monster wave hitting the Big Apple:

http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/20...iler-page.html

Personally, I'll wait for Ebert & Roeper's review.


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On 30 Apr 2004 07:32:08 -0700, (Starry-Nite) wrote:

So, we are (supposedly) not to comment on a movie that isn't even out
yet? Terrific! (FYI- release date is May 28th)

Instead of "gutless government counterspeak", I think we have an
example of, "Government Science Agency couldn't give a flying fig
about another stupid (but possibly entertaining) Hollywood Kinda SciFi
Flick."

It is interesting that the USGS did post some information about the reality of
how earthquakes operate specifically to counter the scientific nonsense in the
upcoming TV movie "10.5". Very nicely done, too, simply presenting facts about
earthquakes. Of course, there is nothing politically charged about earthquake
research like there is about climate research. I don't really expect to see the
same kind of discussion on the USGS site about "The Day After Tomorrow", but who
knows? And I certainly wouldn't want to see anything about it on any NASA site,
since that agency isn't about climate modeling at all!

The best place to see discussions of these movies is on bad science sites. I
think Phil needs to get reviews of both posted at badastronomy.com (well,
technically neither is very astronomical, but that hasn't really gotten in the
way of his other excellent reviews).

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com