The endless tale about miracles in China.

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5867 From: Donald Rosenfield cardar@c...
Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:27pm
Subject: several questions?


Jim? Why don't you mention that Burgess Optical has an excellent
30-day full return policy? And your, "All too often, you get what you
pay for." doesn't seem to apply to the Burgess/Back line of optical
goods. While none of us -- save Bill -- have seen the BO Premium
Binoviewer, I would expect at around $200 it compares nicely with a
Denkmeir(sp?). After all, the BO triplet refractor at $2000 (the
180mmf7) compares with the competition at $8-10,000.

Clear skies and defunct streetlights,

Donald

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I like this the most:

1. After all, the BO triplet refractor at $2000 (the 180mmf7) compares
with
the competition at $8-10,000

The very first competitor's product.... right! TMB's 175mm F/8 at
$13000

2. Burgess/Back line of optical goods. ;)


Donald, may I ask you?

1. Is the famous 1026 achromat does utilize TMB-designed objective?

2. Is is true, that new BO (China) binoculars have TMB-designed
objectives
in them? Are they KzFS-based 3x-better then achromat correction???

3. Is the 180mm F/7 telescope with CNC tube and CNC focuser is an APO?
Did I understood you correctly? They are APOs? Where we can test
and buy
them?


4. Where are these new 6" F/8 TMB-designed,KzFS-based, 5-x times color
improved, APO triplets for less than $1000???? I know, they were
decreased in promised size to 127mm. But where they are????

5. Where the replacement 102mm F/6 ordinary achromats (promised in no
longer than 1 months after defective objectives were shipped back to
giant optical plant in China)???? Or they still approaching US's west
coast on a "slow boats"??

6. Where these promised 9" refractors, 11" and 16"
Maksutov-Cassegrains, GO-TO mounts????

Even focuser knowbs and adjustable 2" diagonals were not delivered!
How this speaker can design and produce all above? All these things
simultaneously???


How many more idiots will believe in these tales?


V.D.

How many more idiots will believe in these tales?

HI Valery:

Well, people want to believe in miricles. ;-)

Bill Burgess is a nice guy, and sells very nice bargain Chinese equipment. That
that I've used, while I'm sure it will make a lot of people happy, is no
different from the rest of what's coming in from China.

I would especially doubt this person's speculation about the binoviewer. If
there's one area where you REALLY, REALLY get what you pay for, it's in
binoviewers. I don't think the Denkmeier gang have much to worry about! ;-)


Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of _Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope_
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HI Valery:

Well, people want to believe in miricles. ;-)

Bill Burgess is a nice guy, and sells very nice bargain Chinese equipment.
That
that I've used, while I'm sure it will make a lot of people happy, is no
different from the rest of what's coming in from China.

Unfortunately it is quite different from what is coming out of China...

In February of 2003, I was thinking of buying the Orion 100mm F6 scope when I
saw the offer for the BO scope, seemed like a reasonable deal and offered some
improvements over they Synta. NO eyepiece but tube rings, 2 inch diagonal, a
7x50 finder and two speed focuser. Delivery was to be in March... Compared to
that Synta at $250, the BO seemed to be a $300 scope, maybe even a $350 scope
offered to the first 100 takers at $200.

I signed up for the $200 102F6 in February of 2003 with that promised
delivery in 1 month.

I think my expectations were reasonable, optics compareable to the Synta with a
bit nicer mechanicals...
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As you probably know, given the delay times, this delivery date had to have
been bogus from the start. And then when the scopes arrive, in october or
november, "problems" with the objectives..

I think Bill just expected too much from these F6 Achromats, I expected no
better color correction that the100mm F6 Synta scopes.... I have followed too
many "An Achromat is an Achromat threads to believe otherwise....

But others had unrealistic expectations, fueled by the fact that the prototype
102F6 scopes had baffles that reduced the effective aperture to something like
80mm, making the scope effectively an 80mm F7.5 scope rather than a 102mm F6
scope. Pretty easy way to get some nice performance....

Anyway....

Finally, after nearly a year of waiting and no solution, folks on the list were
given three options, 1) buy the scopes "as is" for $150 and wait for an
improved "semi APO" objective that would cost another $100, 2) Just wait, 3)
get a refund and wait.

With the guess that these objectives were actually decent, I chose to take the
scope. While in general it seems that has been the case, what I didn't count
on was that the optics had not been tested prior to shipping so that while the
color problem seems is not an issue, my particular scope has severe
Astigmatism and there is no repair possible until the new objectives arrive.

The astigmatism makes the scope unusuable, best focus is a cross rather than a
point. One line is a bright white/yellow, the other is red and slightly
shorter. "Splitting Castor" results in two crosses that are similar in size
to the 4 arc second separation of Castor.. Tried various things, rotating the
elements, the problem seems to be in the rear element.

The basic mechanics of the scope seem to be a cut or two above the Synta
scopes, nice focuser etc...

Bottomline he

Valery hit the high points, BO needs to deliver these 102F6 Achromats as
promised with the promised diagonals, two speed focusers etc, before moving on
to far more ambitious projects.

Jon Isaacs

Just keep pounding your shoe on the podium....

Yawn.