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In researching the amount of energy required to ionize gas for ion
drives I was surprised by the total amounts of energy that would be required to *fully* ionize the gas. This amount of energy is quite large, actually huge, and so for actual ion drives the gas is only minimally ionized. Some examples of the amount of ionization energy energy can be found he Ionization energies of the elements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizat...f_the_elements You see for hydrogen it's 1312 kilojoules per mole. Since the atomic weight of hydrogen is 1, this is 1,312,000 joules per gram or 1.3 billion joules per kilo. Note that this amount of energy that needs to be added to ionize the gas will conversely be released when the electrons are recombined with the ionized gas. Then this is several times higher than the maximum energy density of chemical reactions on a per weight basis such as by chemically oxidizing neutral hydrogen: Energy density in energy storage and in fuel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_..._an d_in_fuel Other elements can produce even higher amounts. By and large, the energy density gets higher for the heavier elements. For instance you can find the total for copper by adding up the amounts given on the "Ionization energies of the elements" page. You get 4,345,619.4 in kJ/ mol. Then since the atomic weight of copper is 64, this amounts to 68 billion joules per kilo. On the "Energy density in energy storage and in fuel" page, there is a huge gap in energy density between the chemical reactions to the nuclear reactions. Then these "electron recombination" reactions, if you will, would provide an intermediate level in energy storage density. However, for getting these amounts note that the element has to be in gas form since the energy required to release the electrons from orbit is different for solids, called the "work function", usually smaller. So the released amount of energy on recombination would also be smaller. Then for some elements such as metals you would also have to supply high heat to get the element in gas form. Then this energy storage method would probably be better in heavy gases, such as xenon. The ionization energy of xenon is incomplete on the "Ionization energies of the elements" page. A more complete list can be found on the page: NIST Atomic Spectra Database Levels Form. http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/...vels_form.html by typing in for example Xe 53 to get the last (54th) electron ionization energy. However, not every ionization level for xenon is given on this page either. After a web search, I found the total amount of energy required to fully ionize xenon is about 200 keV. Since 1 eV is about 100 kJ/mol , this is about, 2 x 10^10 J/mol. Since the atomic weight of xenon is 130 this comes to 154 million joules per gram, 154 billion joules per kilo. There are table top instruments available for producing and studying these highly ionized plasmas: Highly Ionized Plasmas. http://www.llnl.gov/str/Schneider.html The problem of course is storing them for long periods. If they contact the walls of a container then they will lose their ionization. Some possibilities would be to use Penning or Paul traps used to store non neutral plasmas for fusion research: Penning trap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penning_trap Quadrupole ion trap (Paul trap). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_trap The amount of energy available from the ions is so high it's possible we could siphon off a small portion of them to use their energy to maintain the containment of the rest. The Penning trap uses in part magnetic fields and there is a limit to the number of particles such a trap will contain called the Brillouin limit depending on the strength of the magnetic field. Since there is a limit to the strength of *stable* magnetic fields that so far can be maintained in the range of perhaps 50 T, this puts a severe limit on the density of fully ionized particles that could be contained. However, some researchers claim the Brillouin limit can be exceeded: Confinement Of Pure Ion Plasma In A Cylindrical Current Sheet. http://www.pppl.gov/pub_report//2000/PPPL-3403.pdf Even the density achieved here though is still quite low at 4×10^14 particles per cm^3. This is at nanogram levels per cubic centimeter, milligrams per cubic meter. Since the Paul trap does not use magnetic fields it is unclear to me if there is a limit to how many particles it can contain. There would need to be quite a bit more research on how to contain these plasmas at high densities if this is to be an energy storage method in common use on Earth. However, it is possible that they could be used to provide energy for space missions in deep space where volume is not as big a concern, only mass. For instance, even at milligrams per cubic meter this could provide kilograms of storage if kept within a volume a hundred meters wide. For ion drives that typically use fuel at rates of milligrams per second this could provide fuel and the energy to power the drive over several days. cf.: From: Robert Clark Newsgroups: sci.space.policy, sci.astro, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics.fusion Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:47:28 -0700 Local: Thurs, Sep 20 2007 4:47 pm Subject: Stored ionized gas for ion drives. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...4c75eb5630f41d Bob Clark |
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![]() Robert Clark writes: In researching the amount of energy required to ionize gas for ion drives I was surprised by the total amounts of energy that would be required to *fully* ionize the gas. This amount of energy is quite large, actually huge, and so for actual ion drives the gas is only minimally ionized. .... remainder deleted ... by typing in for example Xe 53 to get the last (54th) electron ionization energy. However, not every ionization level for xenon is given on this page either. After a web search, I found the total amount of energy required to fully ionize xenon is about 200 keV. Since 1 eV is about 100 kJ/mol , this is about, 2 x 10^10 J/mol. Since the atomic weight of xenon is 130 this comes to 154 million joules per gram, 154 billion joules per kilo. .... This is not really a good method for storing energy. The losses are too rapid. In order to maintain (say) Xenon in a fully ionized state, a Boltzmann equilibrium must be achieved. Removing the last two electrons of Xenon takes ~40 keV each (ref. X-ray Data Book, xdb.lbl.gov). Thus, the temperature must be (kB T 40 keV) where kB is the Boltzmann constant. Let's say kB T = 100 keV, or a temperature of 1 billion Kelvins. That is hot. The Bremsstrahlung emissivity of a plasma scales approximately as, W = 1.4e-34 ne nZ Z^2 T^(0.5) in Joule / s / cm^3 where ne is the electron density, nZ is the ion density, Z is the atomic number of the ion. (ne and nZ must be in cm^{-3}). Compare this to your quoted energy density of (200 keV / ion) = (3.2e-14 Joules / ion), or an energy density of E = 3.2e-14 nZ Joules / cm^3. Even your "low" density of 4e14 ions/cm^3, the ratio of W / E is 1/(0.11 msec). In other words, all the internal (and ionization) energy of the plasma will leak out in less than 1 millisecond by bremsstrahlung radiation. This is radiation that can't be contained by any magnetic field or trap, so it is unavoidable. Not to mention the danger of carrying around a tank of 1 billion degree plasma... CM |
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On Oct 12, 7:56 am, Craig Markwardt
wrote: Robert Clark writes: In researching the amount of energy required to ionize gas for ion drives I was surprised by the total amounts of energy that would be required to *fully* ionize the gas. This amount of energy is quite large, actually huge, and so for actual ion drives the gas is only minimally ionized. ... remainder deleted ... by typing in for example Xe 53 to get the last (54th) electron ionization energy. However, not every ionization level for xenon is given on this page either. After a web search, I found the total amount of energy required to fully ionize xenon is about 200 keV. Since 1 eV is about 100 kJ/mol , this is about, 2 x 10^10 J/mol. Since the atomic weight of xenon is 130 this comes to 154 million joules per gram, 154 billion joules per kilo. ... This is not really a good method for storing energy. The losses are too rapid. In order to maintain (say) Xenon in a fully ionized state, a Boltzmann equilibrium must be achieved. Removing the last two electrons of Xenon takes ~40 keV each (ref. X-ray Data Book, xdb.lbl.gov). Thus, the temperature must be (kB T 40 keV) where kB is the Boltzmann constant. Let's say kB T = 100 keV, or a temperature of 1 billion Kelvins. That is hot. The Bremsstrahlung emissivity of a plasma scales approximately as, W = 1.4e-34 ne nZ Z^2 T^(0.5) in Joule / s / cm^3 where ne is the electron density, nZ is the ion density, Z is the atomic number of the ion. (ne and nZ must be in cm^{-3}). Compare this to your quoted energy density of (200 keV / ion) = (3.2e-14 Joules / ion), or an energy density of E = 3.2e-14 nZ Joules / cm^3. Even your "low" density of 4e14 ions/cm^3, the ratio of W / E is 1/(0.11 msec). In other words, all the internal (and ionization) energy of the plasma will leak out in less than 1 millisecond by bremsstrahlung radiation. This is radiation that can't be contained by any magnetic field or trap, so it is unavoidable. Not to mention the danger of carrying around a tank of 1 billion degree plasma... CM Thanks for the informative response. Quite key here is that these are *non-neutral* plasmas. That means the charges are all of the same sign, all positive or all negative. In your formula you gave note this would result in the Bremsstrahlung emissivity being zero since one of the types of charge would be absent. There has been alot of research on non neutral plasmas showing they can be stored in magnetic/electrostatic traps for several days: What is a nonneutral plasma? http://www-physics.ucsd.edu/~dhdpla/nnp.html Bob Clark |
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On Oct 12, 7:50 am, Robert Clark wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:56 am, Craig Markwardt wrote: Robert Clark writes: In researching the amount of energy required to ionize gas for ion drives I was surprised by the total amounts of energy that would be required to *fully* ionize the gas. This amount of energy is quite large, actually huge, and so for actual ion drives the gas is only minimally ionized. ... remainder deleted ... by typing in for example Xe 53 to get the last (54th) electron ionization energy. However, not every ionization level for xenon is given on this page either. After a web search, I found the total amount of energy required to fully ionize xenon is about 200 keV. Since 1 eV is about 100 kJ/mol , this is about, 2 x 10^10 J/mol. Since the atomic weight of xenon is 130 this comes to 154 million joules per gram, 154 billion joules per kilo. ... This is not really a good method for storing energy. The losses are too rapid. In order to maintain (say) Xenon in a fully ionized state, a Boltzmann equilibrium must be achieved. Removing the last two electrons of Xenon takes ~40 keV each (ref. X-ray Data Book, xdb.lbl.gov). Thus, the temperature must be (kB T 40 keV) where kB is the Boltzmann constant. Let's say kB T = 100 keV, or a temperature of 1 billion Kelvins. That is hot. The Bremsstrahlung emissivity of a plasma scales approximately as, W = 1.4e-34 ne nZ Z^2 T^(0.5) in Joule / s / cm^3 where ne is the electron density, nZ is the ion density, Z is the atomic number of the ion. (ne and nZ must be in cm^{-3}). Compare this to your quoted energy density of (200 keV / ion) = (3.2e-14 Joules / ion), or an energy density of E = 3.2e-14 nZ Joules / cm^3. Even your "low" density of 4e14 ions/cm^3, the ratio of W / E is 1/(0.11 msec). In other words, all the internal (and ionization) energy of the plasma will leak out in less than 1 millisecond by bremsstrahlung radiation. This is radiation that can't be contained by any magnetic field or trap, so it is unavoidable. Not to mention the danger of carrying around a tank of 1 billion degree plasma... CM Thanks for the informative response. Quite key here is that these are *non-neutral* plasmas. That means the charges are all of the same sign, all positive or all negative. In your formula you gave note this would result in the Bremsstrahlung emissivity being zero since one of the types of charge would be absent. There has been alot of research on non neutral plasmas showing they can be stored in magnetic/electrostatic traps for several days: What is a nonneutral plasma?http://www-physics.ucsd.edu/~dhdpla/nnp.html Bob Clark Interesting. Each galaxy emits plasma from its center at right-angles to its disc (being 'blown off its accretion disc' NOT). The central vortex separates infalling neutrons into negative and positive plasmas and blows them out in opposite directions. One kind of non-neutral plasma will be going out one way, and the other will go out the other way. The two will eventually re-combine into new stars. John |
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![]() Robert Clark writes: On Oct 12, 7:56 am, Craig Markwardt wrote: Robert Clark writes: In researching the amount of energy required to ionize gas for ion drives I was surprised by the total amounts of energy that would be required to *fully* ionize the gas. This amount of energy is quite large, actually huge, and so for actual ion drives the gas is only minimally ionized. ... remainder deleted ... by typing in for example Xe 53 to get the last (54th) electron ionization energy. However, not every ionization level for xenon is given on this page either. After a web search, I found the total amount of energy required to fully ionize xenon is about 200 keV. Since 1 eV is about 100 kJ/mol , this is about, 2 x 10^10 J/mol. Since the atomic weight of xenon is 130 this comes to 154 million joules per gram, 154 billion joules per kilo. ... This is not really a good method for storing energy. The losses are too rapid. In order to maintain (say) Xenon in a fully ionized state, a Boltzmann equilibrium must be achieved. Removing the last two electrons of Xenon takes ~40 keV each (ref. X-ray Data Book, xdb.lbl.gov). Thus, the temperature must be (kB T 40 keV) where kB is the Boltzmann constant. Let's say kB T = 100 keV, or a temperature of 1 billion Kelvins. That is hot. The Bremsstrahlung emissivity of a plasma scales approximately as, W = 1.4e-34 ne nZ Z^2 T^(0.5) in Joule / s / cm^3 where ne is the electron density, nZ is the ion density, Z is the atomic number of the ion. (ne and nZ must be in cm^{-3}). Compare this to your quoted energy density of (200 keV / ion) = (3.2e-14 Joules / ion), or an energy density of E = 3.2e-14 nZ Joules / cm^3. Even your "low" density of 4e14 ions/cm^3, the ratio of W / E is 1/(0.11 msec). In other words, all the internal (and ionization) energy of the plasma will leak out in less than 1 millisecond by bremsstrahlung radiation. This is radiation that can't be contained by any magnetic field or trap, so it is unavoidable. Not to mention the danger of carrying around a tank of 1 billion degree plasma... CM Thanks for the informative response. Quite key here is that these are *non-neutral* plasmas. That means the charges are all of the same sign, all positive or all negative. In your formula you gave note this would result in the Bremsstrahlung emissivity being zero since one of the types of charge would be absent. Huh? First of all, that equation assumed a Boltzmann equilibrium, which would not be the case if one conveniently "removed" *all* electrons. But is that plausible? No. First, fully ionizing a species like Xenon would still required effectively heating the atoms to temperatures of kB T ~ 100 keV. Before one could somehow magically transfer (just) the ions to the storage tank, the energy would be lost by thermal bremsstrahlung radiation very quickly. Second, a plasma made up of positive ions *still* radiates by thermal bremstrahlung, so one can't just pretend the effect is zero. However, neither of these issues is the real fatal flaw... There has been alot of research on non neutral plasmas showing they can be stored in magnetic/electrostatic traps for several days: Really? Have you considered how much Coulomb energy is required to separate the charges even by 1 cm? For even 1 cubic cm of the Xenon you mentioned, the Coulomb energy is tens of thousands of times larger than the ionization energy density, at voltages of many tens of megaVolts. In other words, the "trap" would simply be crushed due to Coulomb forces. A lab setup with a few thousand ions is far different from your scenario, which is totally implausible. CM |
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On Oct 13, 3:00 pm, Craig Markwardt
wrote: Robert Clark writes: ... Thanks for the informative response. Quite key here is that these are *non-neutral* plasmas. That means the charges are all of the same sign, all positive or all negative. In your formula you gave note this would result in the Bremsstrahlung emissivity being zero since one of the types of charge would be absent. Huh? First of all, that equation assumed a Boltzmann equilibrium, which would not be the case if one conveniently "removed" *all* electrons. But is that plausible? No. First, fully ionizing a species like Xenon would still required effectively heating the atoms to temperatures of kB T ~ 100 keV. Before one could somehow magically transfer (just) the ions to the storage tank, the energy would be lost by thermal bremsstrahlung radiation very quickly. Second, a plasma made up of positive ions *still* radiates by thermal bremstrahlung, so one can't just pretend the effect is zero. However, neither of these issues is the real fatal flaw... There has been alot of research on non neutral plasmas showing they can be stored in magnetic/electrostatic traps for several days: Really? Have you considered how much Coulomb energy is required to separate the charges even by 1 cm? For even 1 cubic cm of the Xenon you mentioned, the Coulomb energy is tens of thousands of times larger than the ionization energy density, at voltages of many tens of megaVolts. In other words, the "trap" would simply be crushed due to Coulomb forces. A lab setup with a few thousand ions is far different from your scenario, which is totally implausible. You are right it would take quite a bit of energy to create the fully ionized plasmas and quite alot of energy to separate the electrons. This is clearly not a means of getting "free" energy such as nuclear, solar, or fossil fuels. It is only a way of storing it. According to the web site I linked, the positive ions in their traps could be stored as long as they want if the magnetic/electrostatic containment fields are sufficiently uniform: What is a nonneutral plasma? "Confinement. Nonneutral plasmas can be confined for long periods of time using only static electric and magnetic fields. One such configuration is called a Penning Trap, after the inventor F. M. Penning. The trap consists of a several cylindrically symmetric electrodes and a uniform magnetic field applied along the axis of the trap (see diagram below). "Axial confinement (for a positive plasma) is provided by positive voltages applied to the end electrodes, which creates an axial potential well. Radial confinement is provided by the magnetic field. The plasma rotates, and the resulting v x B force is radially inward, balancing the outward electric force caused by the unneutralized collection of charges. "If the Penning trap had perfect cylindrical symmetry, the plasma would be confined forever. However, since there are always small irregularities in the trap fields that break the cylindrical symmetry, these irregularities drag on the plasma, slowing down its rotation and decreasing the confining v x B force. This results in a loss of the plasma, but these irregularities can be made so small that the plasma can be confined for days in actual experiments. In addition, a new technique (called the 'rotating wall') has recently been invented by our group; it allows us to spin up the plasma, keeping it spinning and confined in the trap for as long as we wish." http://www-physics.ucsd.edu/~dhdpla/nnp.html#conf Since the purpose of much of the research on non neutral plasmas is toward fusion power, these research teams clearly believe their containment methods can be ramped up to large amounts of non neutral plasma. Here's a report on the containment of a million Beryllium ions for over 30 minutes: Phase-Locked Rotation of Crystallized Non-neutral Plasmas by Rotating Electric Fields. X.-P. Huang, J. J. Bollinger, T. B. Mitchell, and Wayne M. Itano Time & Frequency Division, National Institute of Standards and Technology, 325 Broadway, Boulder, Colorado 80303 (Received 29 August 1997) "We report the precise control of the rotation frequency of strongly coupled non-neutral plasmas by rotating electric fields. These plasmas of up to 10^6 9Be1 ions are trapped in a Penning trap and laser cooled into crystallized structures which undergo a rigid-body rotation. Bragg diffraction shows that the crystalline lattice can be stable for longer than 30 min (,108 rotations), and that the plasma rotation can be phase locked to the applied field without any slip. These corotating plasmas are in a novel global thermal equilibrium whose asymmetric surface shape (triaxial ellipsoid) has been measured." http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1215.pdf And this reports on containment of a billion ions for a period of weeks: Confinement and manipulation of non-neutral plasmas using rotating wall electric fields. E. M. Hollmann, F. Anderegg, and C. F. Driscoll. Physics Department and Institute for Pure and Applied Physical Sciences, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California 92093-0319 (Received 24 February 2000; accepted 17 April 2000) "A 'rotating wall' perturbation technique enables confinement of up to 3×10^9 electrons or 10^9 ions in Penning-Malmberg traps for periods of weeks. These rotating wall electric fields transfer torque to the particles by exciting Trivelpiece-Gould plasma modes with kz[not- equal]0 and mtheta = 1 or 2. Modes that rotate faster than the plasma column provide a positive torque that counteracts the background drags, resulting in radial plasma compression or steady-state confinement in near-thermal equilibrium states. Conversely, modes that rotate slower than the plasma provide a negative torque, and enhanced plasma expansion is observed. The observed Trivelpiece-Gould mode frequencies are well predicted by linear, infinite-length, guiding- center theory." http://link.aip.org/link/?PHP/7/2776/1 [abstract only] Bob Clark |
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![]() Robert Clark writes: On Oct 13, 3:00 pm, Craig Markwardt wrote: Robert Clark writes: ... Thanks for the informative response. Quite key here is that these are *non-neutral* plasmas. That means the charges are all of the same sign, all positive or all negative. In your formula you gave note this would result in the Bremsstrahlung emissivity being zero since one of the types of charge would be absent. Huh? First of all, that equation assumed a Boltzmann equilibrium, which would not be the case if one conveniently "removed" *all* electrons. But is that plausible? No. First, fully ionizing a species like Xenon would still required effectively heating the atoms to temperatures of kB T ~ 100 keV. Before one could somehow magically transfer (just) the ions to the storage tank, the energy would be lost by thermal bremsstrahlung radiation very quickly. Second, a plasma made up of positive ions *still* radiates by thermal bremstrahlung, so one can't just pretend the effect is zero. However, neither of these issues is the real fatal flaw... There has been alot of research on non neutral plasmas showing they can be stored in magnetic/electrostatic traps for several days: Really? Have you considered how much Coulomb energy is required to separate the charges even by 1 cm? For even 1 cubic cm of the Xenon you mentioned, the Coulomb energy is tens of thousands of times larger than the ionization energy density, at voltages of many tens of megaVolts. In other words, the "trap" would simply be crushed due to Coulomb forces. A lab setup with a few thousand ions is far different from your scenario, which is totally implausible. You are right it would take quite a bit of energy to create the fully ionized plasmas and quite alot of energy to separate the electrons. This is clearly not a means of getting "free" energy such as nuclear, solar, or fossil fuels. It is only a way of storing it. According to the web site I linked, the positive ions in their traps could be stored as long as they want if the magnetic/electrostatic containment fields are sufficiently uniform: .... You seem to be missing the point. If it takes many thousand times as much energy to separate the charges as it does to ionize them, then you've built a 99.999% capacitor + 0.001% ion storage device. But there are much safer and straightforward ways to build a capacitor, so why bother with the ionization part at all? CM |
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On Oct 13, 11:15 pm, Craig Markwardt
wrote: .... ... You seem to be missing the point. If it takes many thousand times as much energy to separate the charges as it does to ionize them, then you've built a 99.999% capacitor + 0.001% ion storage device. But there are much safer and straightforward ways to build a capacitor, so why bother with the ionization part at all? CM No capacitor or battery or any energy storage method short of nuclear power offers anywhere near 154 billion joules per kilogram energy storage. See the list of energy densities he Energy density in energy storage and in fuel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_..._an d_in_fuel Bob Clark |
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![]() Robert Clark writes: On Oct 13, 11:15 pm, Craig Markwardt wrote: .... ... You seem to be missing the point. If it takes many thousand times as much energy to separate the charges as it does to ionize them, then you've built a 99.999% capacitor + 0.001% ion storage device. But there are much safer and straightforward ways to build a capacitor, so why bother with the ionization part at all? CM No capacitor or battery or any energy storage method short of nuclear power offers anywhere near 154 billion joules per kilogram energy storage. .... OK, and given that it takes tens of thousands of times *more* energy density than the ionization energy density in order to overcome the Coulomb forces, how exactly do you plan on building your storage device? It seems you've just proved my point. CM |
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On Oct 11, 9:10 pm, Robert Clark wrote:
In researching the amount of energy required to ionize gas for ion drives I was surprised by the total amounts of energy that would be required to *fully* ionize the gas. This amount of energy is quite large, actually huge, and so for actual ion drives the gas is only minimally ionized. Some examples of the amount of ionization energy energy can be found he Ionization energies of the elements.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizat...f_the_elements You see for hydrogen it's 1312 kilojoules per mole. Since the atomic weight of hydrogen is 1, this is 1,312,000 joules per gram or 1.3 billion joules per kilo. Note that this amount of energy that needs to be added to ionize the gas will conversely be released when the electrons are recombined with the ionized gas. Then this is several times higher than the maximum energy density of chemical reactions on a per weight basis such as by chemically oxidizing neutral hydrogen: Energy density in energy storage and in fuel.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_...ity_in_energy_... Other elements can produce even higher amounts. By and large, the energy density gets higher for the heavier elements. For instance you can find the total for copper by adding up the amounts given on the "Ionization energies of the elements" page. You get 4,345,619.4 in kJ/ mol. Then since the atomic weight of copper is 64, this amounts to 68 billion joules per kilo. On the "Energy density in energy storage and in fuel" page, there is a huge gap in energy density between the chemical reactions to the nuclear reactions. Then these "electron recombination" reactions, if you will, would provide an intermediate level in energy storage density. However, for getting these amounts note that the element has to be in gas form since the energy required to release the electrons from orbit is different for solids, called the "work function", usually smaller. So the released amount of energy on recombination would also be smaller. Then for some elements such as metals you would also have to supply high heat to get the element in gas form. Then this energy storage method would probably be better in heavy gases, such as xenon. The ionization energy of xenon is incomplete on the "Ionization energies of the elements" page. A more complete list can be found on the page: NIST Atomic Spectra Database Levels Form.http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/...vels_form.html by typing in for example Xe 53 to get the last (54th) electron ionization energy. However, not every ionization level for xenon is given on this page either. After a web search, I found the total amount of energy required to fully ionize xenon is about 200 keV. Since 1 eV is about 100 kJ/mol , this is about, 2 x 10^10 J/mol. Since the atomic weight of xenon is 130 this comes to 154 million joules per gram, 154 billion joules per kilo. ... This report gives the total ionization energy for uranium as 762.9 keV: Electron Emission Following the Interaction of Slow Highly Charged Ions with Solids. http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/...ble/301182.pdf Since 1 eV is about 100 kJ/mol and the atomic weight of uranium is 238, this amounts to 320 billion joules per kilogram. Other elements with high total ionization energies are given in Fig. 1 in this report. To put this in perspective, the energy density of hydrogen burned with oxygen is 140 million joules per kilo of hydrogen. So the electron recombination reaction of uranium results in more than 2000 times the energy per kilogram. The space shuttle external tank contains about 100,000 kg of hydrogen and 600,000 kg of oxygen. Then the energy content here would be equivalent to only 50 kg of fully ionized uranium. (Note this is *not* a nuclear reaction.) And the oxygen also would not be required. Note this is only in regards to the energy content. It does not consider how the thrust would be generated. Bob Clark |
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