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On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:36:08 PM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:
INTERNATIONAL EARTH ROTATION AND REFERENCE SYSTEMS SERVICE (IERS) None of you have the right to do this to students the world over,the responsibility for educating students the proper principles of timekeeping prohibit an intellectual aberration such as a 'leap second'.It is cruelty on a massive scale with such a silent contempt for the easy to understand trajectory which creates the 24 hour AM/PM system in tandem with the Lat/Long system out of the average 1461 rotations per 4 orbital circuits that comprises the foundations of all timekeeping. What is the matter with all of you - are the founding principles which equate 1461 natural days with 4 annual circuits with an additional day added to the end of the 4th cycle to keep rotations roughly in position to the orbital points of the equinoxes and solstices not enjoyable enough ?. "on account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years, and other festivals celebrated in the summer, in this country, shall not be celebrated in winter, as has occasionally occurred in past times, therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the heavenly orbits, are now corrected and improved" Canopus decree There is a crippling cult mentality out there ,the inability to transfers the 1461 natural days/4 years into the dynamical equivalent of 1461 rotations/4 orbital circuits is disgraceful even allowing for Wormley and his colleagues who want to insert an unneeded complication that results in a mindnumbing 4 phantom rotations for the same period - "The Earth spins on its axis about 366 and 1/4 times each year, but there are only 365 and 1/4 days per year." NASA People must work to pull astronomy out of the intellectual oblivion it finds itself in and explaining where the 24 hour AM/PM system works in tandem with the Lat/Long system and the rotation of the Earth is crucial for understanding cause and effects between dynamics and terrestrial sciences. Twelve years pushing this is long enough for one person,it is time for others to stand up and be counted. |
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:06:21 -0700 (PDT), oriel36
wrote, in part: What is the matter with all of you - are the founding principles which equa= te 1461 natural days with 4 annual circuits with an additional day added to= the end of the 4th cycle to keep rotations roughly in position to the orbi= tal points of the equinoxes and solstices not enjoyable enough ?. The dimension of time enters into the definition of electrical units like the picofarad and the millihenry. As a result, if we defined the second from the Earth's rotation, we would have to relabel our electrical circuitry when the Earth's rotation slowed down. Originally, it was Sun first, pendulum second - now, the root of our timekeeping is our machines. John Savard http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html |
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It is time to act on this guys,this is no longer an issue that can be swept under the carpet so that a few talentless people who made a poor assertion can look authoritative - the is the single greatest fact that any human can hope to affirm by virtue that it expands out to the inviolate fact that the Earth turns once in 24 hours and keeps pace with the natural day.
It is not possible for humanity to research the celestial arena or terrestrial sciences with the idea of 1465 rotations in 1461 days as per the awful ideology that generates these 'leap second' corrections and it is that important. The timescales of hours, minutes or seconds were never,never,never,ever based on the rotation of the Earth,they were originally based on the proportion of days to years which turns out to be 365 1/4 for one year or 365 1/4 rotations for 1 orbital circuit derived from the parent observation of 1461 days in proportion to 4 orbital circuits. This simply cannot go on,a loss of a fact like this creates a situation where the human interpretative faculty is damaged which in turn leads to greater problems in society such as the inability to prevent conceptual monsters like the idea humans can control the complex planetary climate system. I am not asking for a riot but I do understand the descent of human reasoning into a subhuman state that we,as a race,were never meant to exist in.It truly is that bad and I am not exaggerating so this is no game but something deadly serious and most already know it. |
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oriel36 wrote:
I am not asking for a riot but I do understand the descent of human reasoning into a subhuman state that we,as a race,were never meant to exist in.It truly is that bad and I am not exaggerating so this is no game but something deadly serious and most already know it. I have to agree with you here. You understand just how to pervert human reasoning into a subhuman state. But nobody else is going to follow you into that morass. |
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oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:36:08 PM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote: INTERNATIONAL EARTH ROTATION AND REFERENCE SYSTEMS SERVICE (IERS) None of you have the right to do this to students the world over,the responsibility for educating students the proper principles of timekeeping prohibit an intellectual aberration such as a 'leap second'. Stop snivelling about rights. There's no such thing as a right. Student will enrol on courses they want to do. How many students do you have? Students will enrol on all sorts is stupid courses. How else can you explain theology degrees. An MA in fairy stories! It is cruelty on a massive scale with such a silent contempt for the easy to understand trajectory which creates the 24 hour AM/PM system in tandem with the Lat/Long system out of the average 1461 rotations per 4 orbital circuits that comprises the foundations of all timekeeping. Explain how this is cruel. What is the matter with all of you - are the founding principles which equate 1461 natural days with 4 annual circuits with an additional day added to the end of the 4th cycle to keep rotations roughly in position to the orbital points of the equinoxes and solstices not enjoyable enough ?. Science does not have founding principles. "on account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years, and other festivals celebrated in the summer, in this country, shall not be celebrated in winter, as has occasionally occurred in past times, therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the heavenly orbits, are now corrected and improved" Canopus decree That was the best they could do at the time. But that were wrong! That's why we have the Gregorian calendar. There is a crippling cult mentality out there ,the inability to transfers the 1461 natural days/4 years into the dynamical equivalent of 1461 rotations/4 orbital circuits is disgraceful even allowing for Wormley and his colleagues who want to insert an unneeded complication that results in a mindnumbing 4 phantom rotations for the same period - The crippling cult mentality is yours. Get it into your thick head. Science us about describing the universe and how it works. When you have to start denying the real world your one man cult is on the verge of madness. "The Earth spins on its axis about 366 and 1/4 times each year, but there are only 365 and 1/4 days per year." NASA That's a childish NASA simplification for people like you. People must work to pull astronomy out of the intellectual oblivion it finds itself in and explaining where the 24 hour AM/PM system works in tandem with the Lat/Long system and the rotation of the Earth is crucial for understanding cause and effects between dynamics and terrestrial sciences. The intellectual oblivion belongs to those whose childish half baked ideas cause them to keep trying to gain recruits for their nonsensical cults. Actually I should have used the singular since you have no followers. Twelve years pushing this is long enough for one person,it is time for others to stand up and be counted. Maybe it's time for you to see the truth! |
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On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:29:36 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote: I am not asking for a riot but I do understand the descent of human reasoning into a subhuman state that we,as a race,were never meant to exist in.It truly is that bad and I am not exaggerating so this is no game but something deadly serious and most already know it. I have to agree with you here. You understand just how to pervert human reasoning into a subhuman state. But nobody else is going to follow you into that morass. None of you have the right to rewrite the human history of achievement and it is criminal what has been going on so your cult can talk about the black hole at the end of the Universe and other such nonsense. You have John Harrison explain how the 24 hour AM/PM system works in tandem with the Lat/Long system and the rotation of the Earth and you festering,diseased minds can't handle the developments out of the first principle based on the number of natural days for 4 orbital circuits. You have Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo explain without the slightest hesitation that retrogrades are due to the fact that the Earth is moving and Not,do you hear this Collins,not what those motions look like from a hypothetical viewer on the Sun as Newton and his followers think. Is there any crime worse than knowingly subverting an entire heritage for nothing more than mindless junk and a hatred of inspired things that constitute a religious belief.It is not your predecessors that will suffer derision but people right here and now who knew things were badly astray yet chose to disappear into anonymity. You have no idea what damage this is doing - None !. |
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oriel36 wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:29:36 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote: oriel36 wrote: I am not asking for a riot but I do understand the descent of human reasoning into a subhuman state that we,as a race,were never meant to exist in.It truly is that bad and I am not exaggerating so this is no game but something deadly serious and most already know it. I have to agree with you here. You understand just how to pervert human reasoning into a subhuman state. But nobody else is going to follow you into that morass. None of you have the right to rewrite the human history of achievement and it is criminal what has been going on so your cult can talk about the black hole at the end of the Universe and other such nonsense. And your evidence that this is nonsense is? You have John Harrison explain how the 24 hour AM/PM system works in tandem with the Lat/Long system and the rotation of the Earth and you festering,diseased minds can't handle the developments out of the first principle based on the number of natural days for 4 orbital circuits. Leap seconds are a consequence of a curate timekeeping which Harrison pioneered. You have Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo explain without the slightest hesitation that retrogrades are due to the fact that the Earth is moving and Not,do you hear this Collins,not what those motions look like from a hypothetical viewer on the Sun as Newton and his followers think. There is no contradiction here except in your warped understanding. From the sun there are no retrogrades, from the planets there are. You must accept that you don't possess the visual imagination that would allow you to appreciate this. Is there any crime worse than knowingly subverting an entire heritage for nothing more than mindless junk and a hatred of inspired things that constitute a religious belief.It is not your predecessors that will suffer derision but people right here and now who knew things were badly astray yet chose to disappear into anonymity. There are crimes much worse than this. You are doing exactly this. You refuse to admit your mistakes then compound them by denying the evidence. Most of the ancients you quote were clever but ignorant. We - that's most of the human race but not you - accept progress in science. You see progress as a personal affront while using the fruits of this science you despise. You have no idea what damage this is doing - None !. |
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On Monday, July 8, 2013 10:21:22 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote: On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:29:36 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote: oriel36 wrote: I am not asking for a riot but I do understand the descent of human reasoning into a subhuman state that we,as a race,were never meant to exist in.It truly is that bad and I am not exaggerating so this is no game but something deadly serious and most already know it. I have to agree with you here. You understand just how to pervert human reasoning into a subhuman state. But nobody else is going to follow you into that morass. None of you have the right to rewrite the human history of achievement and it is criminal what has been going on so your cult can talk about the black hole at the end of the Universe and other such nonsense. And your evidence that this is nonsense is? You have John Harrison explain how the 24 hour AM/PM system works in tandem with the Lat/Long system and the rotation of the Earth and you festering,diseased minds can't handle the developments out of the first principle based on the number of natural days for 4 orbital circuits. Leap seconds are a consequence of a curate timekeeping which Harrison pioneered. John Harrison pioneered mechanical innovations to maintain a steady pace based on the rotation of the Earth at a rate of 15 degrees per hour and that the empirical cult tries to rewrite history to an alternative value is intolerable and should be to any sane person.Is your mind so diseased that it cannot accept that the Earth turns once each 24 hours and remains in step each and every natural day ?.'Leap second' corrections are a consequence of pretense,a sour and dour people who have a total disregard for both astronomy and timekeeping and let them curse their own lives but not those of students nor future generations.I will shove it down your throat Collins and all the other anti-intellectual creatures that take the name of astronomer - "The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of those degrees ![]() those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less quantity." John Harrison You have Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo explain without the slightest hesitation that retrogrades are due to the fact that the Earth is moving and Not,do you hear this Collins,not what those motions look like from a hypothetical viewer on the Sun as Newton and his followers think. There is no contradiction here except in your warped understanding. From the sun there are no retrogrades, from the planets there are. You must accept that you don't possess the visual imagination that would allow you to appreciate this. This is pure and utter vandalism,retrograde motion,and their are two different kinds,utilize the Earth's motions so that you never,ever appeal to a hypothetical observer on the Sun but the great resolutions of retrogrades are seen from a moving Earth.What pigs of humanity seek to destroy the achievement of our ancestors in extrapolating the motions of the Earth from observations and even the ones that failed in antiquity such as Aristagoras - "do not bring an action for impiety against us, just as Cleanthes thought it right that the Greeks collectively should impeach Aristagoras the Stoic, of impiety, for overthrowing the altar of earth, because the fellow attempted to account for visible phenomena by supposing that the sky remains fixed, and that the earth rolls round down an oblique circle, turning at the same time upon its own axis." Plutarch A rotten bunch Collins,a spiteful,rotten bunch that would rather die than choose to restore a stable astronomical narrative and the achievements of people who were real benefactors of humanity.None of you have a right to do what you have been doing but at least you are vocal about it which acts in your favor. |
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A very quick visit to the group to see if anything has changed. Nothing has.. Oriel is still endlessly repeating minor variations of his same crackpot delusions. He still, I imagine, is refusing to go for peer reviewed publication by convincing himself that he alone knows "the truth" and there is some giant conspiracy to keep it from the rest of us.
He is also too stupid or too lazy to explain exactly where he parts company from the rest of the astronomical community preferring instead the easy familiarity of mindlessly revisiting previous posts. He doesn't answer questions, he doesn't engage in debate and still he wonders why he has been banned from posting by many groups or sites. |
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