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I really dislike the current method used on orbital and lander
spacecraft for color imaging. It consists of taking separate images through three different visible light color filters representing Red, Green, Blue light and combining them into a single color image. The problem is calibrating the combination of these images taken separately. So we have a spacecraft in orbit about Mars in Mars Odyssey supposed to be able to take color images but there is so much uncertainty in the combination of the colors that we've only had a few visible light color images released. And we have two lander spacecraft on Mars supposed to image in color and each color image release creates controversy in the accuracy of the color combinations used. It makes you long for the simple color video cameras used on the Apollo moon missions. The reason this method is used is that by using all the pixels in the camera for a single color range you can gather more data in that frequency range. However, there has been a method developed that allows you to collect the same amount of data using fewer numbers of pixels that might finally allow us to collect the full color range simultaneously as with color video cameras: Spider Eyes For Martian Robots by Anil Ananthaswamy San Francisco - March 28 2001 "The vibrating eyes of jumping spiders have inspired a new breed of vision sensors that could give the next generation of Mars rovers sharper eyesight, say researchers in California." http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-general-01d.html Visual sensor with resolution enhancement by mechanical vibrations Koch Lab Ania Mitros and Oliver Landolt http://www.klab.caltech.edu/~ania/re...ib_retina.html Bob Clark |
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Robert Clark wrote:
I really dislike the current method used on orbital and lander spacecraft for color imaging. It consists of taking separate images through three different visible light color filters representing Red, Green, Blue light and combining them into a single color image. The problem is calibrating the combination of these images taken separately. So we have a spacecraft in orbit about Mars in Mars Odyssey supposed to be able to take color images but there is so much uncertainty in the combination of the colors that we've only had a few visible light color images released. And we have two lander spacecraft on Mars supposed to image in color and each color image release creates controversy in the accuracy of the color combinations used. It makes you long for the simple color video cameras used on the Apollo moon missions. The color filters are selected to spectually pass desired wavelengths of interest to scientists, and pretty color pictures are an afterthought. It doesn't take that much to fool the human eye. Use a spectrascope to compare a real scene vs the same scene presented on a color TV or monitor. The two will look way different, even though your eye thinks that they are identical. A color TV uses a combination of green light and red light to create what the eye sees as yellow. But there is no actual yellow light being created by the TV set. All that is happening is that the color TV is "tickling" your green and your red (forgot if it's cones or rods) in your retina in the same amount that true yellow light would. In other words, say yellow light causes 20% response in the red receptors, and 50% response of the green ones. Now, say that I take spectrully pure red light set to 20%, and pure green set to 50%, and shine that on your retina. You will think that it is yellow light. Even though there is no yellow light at all. What scientists really want is a spectra for each pixel, so that they can identify what mineral those rocks are. After that they can process those spectras to create pictures as the eye would see it. Also realize that the human eye's color difference resolution is about half that of luminance (B&W) resolution. Color TV broadcasts (anbalog or digital) take advantage of this and the bandwidth of the chroma (color difference) is half that of the B&W (luma) signal. NO point in transmitting what will never be missed by the viewer. |
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In article , Robert
Clark wrote: I really dislike the current method used on orbital and lander spacecraft for color imaging. It consists of taking separate images through three different visible light color filters representing Red, Green, Blue light and combining them into a single color image. The production of "visible light" colour images is an incidental byproduct of the science that the imagers are designed for. The purpose of the imagers is (variously) to detect hazards (for which b/w would suffice) and to identify minerals. To achieve the latter, a range of filters are needed - considerably more than just "R G & B", there are at least 2 in the near IR, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were UV ones too. The selection of which filters to use, and how to combine them to produce a "photo-realistic" image for the public, is as you say, a vexed question. If you simply did not image the scene with any filter vaguely like a "green", how are you going to produce a "photorealistic" scene? BTW, the whole issue of "photorealism" is much more complicated when you ask "who's eyes am I doing this for?" Are you designing it for a bi-chromatic person (one of the half-dozen types of colour blindness), for a "normal vision" person (with 5-10% variations in the peak response frequency of the R, G and B opsin dyes in their cone cells), or for the rare tetrachromat women (who do have a noticeable enhanced colour sensitivity)? Even within the "normal" population there is sufficient variation that some people can differentiate some colour pairs that others cannot differentiate. How frequently do you update you colour calibration charts at work? Every 6 months, or every 50 usages? -- Aidan Karley, Aberdeen, Scotland, Location: 57°10'11" N, 02°08'43" W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233 |
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A key fact is that this would also improve infrared imaging. In most
studies you are given the infrared readings in the *separate* infrared frequency ranges. Rarely are you given measurements that compare the intensity of the readings across different infrared filters. The reason is because of this same problem of calibrating the comparison of the different filter images taken separately. I'm saying if the readings were taken simultaneously, this would result in a significant increase in the mineralogical inferences you could make. Bob Clark Robert Casey wrote in message ... Robert Clark wrote: I really dislike the current method used on orbital and lander spacecraft for color imaging. It consists of taking separate images through three different visible light color filters representing Red, Green, Blue light and combining them into a single color image. The problem is calibrating the combination of these images taken separately. So we have a spacecraft in orbit about Mars in Mars Odyssey supposed to be able to take color images but there is so much uncertainty in the combination of the colors that we've only had a few visible light color images released. And we have two lander spacecraft on Mars supposed to image in color and each color image release creates controversy in the accuracy of the color combinations used. It makes you long for the simple color video cameras used on the Apollo moon missions. The color filters are selected to spectually pass desired wavelengths of interest to scientists, and pretty color pictures are an afterthought. It doesn't take that much to fool the human eye. Use a spectrascope to compare a real scene vs the same scene presented on a color TV or monitor. The two will look way different, even though your eye thinks that they are identical. A color TV uses a combination of green light and red light to create what the eye sees as yellow. But there is no actual yellow light being created by the TV set. All that is happening is that the color TV is "tickling" your green and your red (forgot if it's cones or rods) in your retina in the same amount that true yellow light would. In other words, say yellow light causes 20% response in the red receptors, and 50% response of the green ones. Now, say that I take spectrully pure red light set to 20%, and pure green set to 50%, and shine that on your retina. You will think that it is yellow light. Even though there is no yellow light at all. What scientists really want is a spectra for each pixel, so that they can identify what mineral those rocks are. After that they can process those spectras to create pictures as the eye would see it. Also realize that the human eye's color difference resolution is about half that of luminance (B&W) resolution. Color TV broadcasts (anbalog or digital) take advantage of this and the bandwidth of the chroma (color difference) is half that of the B&W (luma) signal. NO point in transmitting what will never be missed by the viewer. |
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Robert Clark wrote:
A key fact is that this would also improve infrared imaging. In most studies you are given the infrared readings in the *separate* infrared frequency ranges. Rarely are you given measurements that compare the intensity of the readings across different infrared filters. The reason is because of this same problem of calibrating the comparison of the different filter images taken separately. I'm saying if the readings were taken simultaneously, this would result in a significant increase in the mineralogical inferences you could make. But all this would do is increase the number of samples; it would not solve the calibration problem. In fact, if you do the color calibration "in the camera" you completely lose control over it. The result is just the opposite of obtaining more reliable calibrations... -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools Software for the Observer: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Skyhound Observing Pages: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html To reply have a physician remove your spleen |
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