Chapt23 Layered age of the Solar System and deuterium #398 AtomTotality 4th ed

Subject: deuterium aging in our Solar System; Earth twice as old as
Europa
Atom Totality theory

I have gone as far as I think I can on zircon aging of the Outer
planets versus Inner planets and will just have to wait for further
news and research. Perhaps someone who has zircon dated a
meteorite found a anomaly of 8 billion years or greater but threw
away
his findings thinking it was a mistake.


So I am going to attack this age problem from another angle; with the
abundance of heavy water (deuterium) in comets more so than in
Earth's ocean water.


--- quoting from http://www.americanscientist.org/tem...ssetid/14384/p...

Earthly seawater
contains 160 ppm of deuterium, an enrichment of eight times relative
to the deuterium in the solar nebula. So we would expect the comets
to be similarly enriched, no?


No. As it happens, the water in the three bright comets-Halley,
Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp-that recently swung past the Earth averaged
about 320 ppm deuterium, an enrichment of 16 times over the deuterium
in the solar nebula, and twice that found in seawater! How do we
account for these differences?
--- end quoting that website ---


Subject: Earth has 1/2 the heavy-water of Comets, but does Earth
have 2X the abundance of lithium, beryllium, boron as does Jupiter??
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Perhaps I can date Earth versus Jupiter as that of 10 billion years
versus 5 billion years from the abundance of lithium, beryllium,
boron or some other
chemical element.


So far I have found just one relationship of twice as much abundance.
The relationship that
Earth water is 160 ppm deuterium and Comets are 320 ppm.


Can I find another data where a chemical element is twice as abundant
between Earth and Jupiter?


--- quoting Wikipedia ---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Deuterium, also called heavy hydrogen, is a stable isotope of
hydrogen
with a natural abundance in the oceans of Earth of approximately one
atom in 6,500 of hydrogen (~154 ppm). Deuterium thus accounts for
approximately 0.015% (alternately, on a weight basis: 0.031%) of all
naturally occurring hydrogen in the oceans on Earth (see VSMOW; the
abundance changes slightly from one kind of natural water to
another).
Deuterium abundance on Jupiter is about 2.25×10-5 (roughly 22 atoms
in
a million, or 15% of the terrestrial deuterium-to-hydrogen ratio);
[1]
these ratios presumably reflect the early solar nebula ratios, and
those after the Big Bang. However, other sources suggest a much
higher
abundance of e.g. 6×10-4 (6 atoms in 10,000 or 0.06% atom basis).[2]
There is thought to be little deuterium in the interior of the Sun
and
other stars, as at temperatures there nuclear fusion reactions that
consume deuterium happen much faster than the proton-proton reaction
that creates deuterium. However, it continues to persist in the
outer
solar atmosphere at roughly the same concentration as in Jupiter.


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The existence of deuterium on Earth, elsewhere in the solar system (as
confirmed by planetary probes), and in the spectra of stars, is an
important datum in cosmology. Gamma radiation from ordinary nuclear
fusion dissociates deuterium into protons and neutrons, and there are
no known natural processes other than the Big Bang nucleosynthesis,
which might have produced deuterium at anything close to the observed
natural abundance of deuterium (deuterium is produced by the rare
cluster decay, and occasional absorption of naturally-occurring
neutrons by light hydrogen, but these are trivial sources). The
natural deuterium abundance seems to be a very similar fraction of
hydrogen, wherever hydrogen is found. Thus, the existence of deuterium
at a low but constant fraction in all hydrogen, is one of the
arguments in favor of the Big Bang theory over the steady state
theory
of the universe. It is estimated that the abundances of deuterium
have
not evolved significantly since their production about 13.7 billion
years ago.[6]


--- end quoting Wikipedia ---


Funny how Wikipedia gives the notion, above quote,
that the Steady State theory is less capable of explaining the
differential deuterium than the Big Bang.
When it is the reverse that is closer to the truth.


I feel the problem with the above Wikipedia claims
on deuterium from what sources they gathered is that
those sources compare incomparable amounts of
deuterium. So they compare the Earth's ocean water
deuterium to that of what of Jupiter and Saturn? Certainly Jupiter
and
Saturn do not have oceans of water. So it is a comparison of
incomparables.


With the Comet comparison, we have a better comparison test in that
Comets have twice the density
of deuterium in comet ice than there is in Earth ocean
water. But if we were to make a Comparable Comparison Measure of the
deuterium in comets, Jupiter, Earth we should find a ratio of about
twice giving a Earth age of 2X that of Comets and Jupiter.

Subject: deuterium aging in our Solar System; Earth twice as old
as Europa

David Bernier wrote:

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I'd rather go by the deuterium to one-proton hydrogen
for the whole earth. *Even then, some radio-active
processes (fission perhaps) could give a stream
of non-primordial deuterium ...


The reason for "global" is that isotope-separation
can occur under physico-chemical processes, e.g.
diffusion for a gas or gases containing both
U-238 and U-235. *Over aeons, might not
physico-chemical properties act to alter
the ratio of deuterium to one-proton
hydrogen atoms in seawater?


David Bernier

Hello, good to see you have interests in Physics and not just Math,
David.


I am not sure of what this editor of Wikipedia meant by this
statement:


"(deuterium is produced by the rare
cluster decay, and occasional absorption of naturally-occurring
neutrons by light hydrogen, but these are trivial sources)."


I am not quibbling with that statement, just trying to see how Dirac
Radioactivities via gamma rays and cosmic rays can produce
deuterium.


I can only guess at what it means for "rare cluster decay".


What is most puzzling is that if Earth is 10 billion years old and
the
Comets
and gas giant planets are 5 billion years old, how 2X age yields a
decrease
in density.


Maybe the production of deuterium via Dirac Radioactivities is the
constant
stream at 320 ppm as in Comets or any other astro body but the older
age of
2X reduces that density to 160 ppm.


You speak of radioactive fission of Uranium. So can fission coupled
with
5 billion years end up yielding 1/2 density of deuterium? Perhaps
that
is the
answer. That in a Comet or the Gas Giants, have not built up enough
radioactive
elements in 5 billion years time and only Earth which is 10 billion
years old has
enough radioactive elements built up via Dirac Radioactivies that
those radioactive
elements begin to reduce the overall density of deuterium back to
1/2
of what a
5 billion year old body such as a Comet.

Subject: deuterium in Comets as proof of a 10 billion year old Earth?


New information: In the above I have a conundrum to
solve. The conundrum is why would Dirac
Radioactivities create more
heavy water in water of the
Comets rather than in water elsewhere in the Solar
System? In other
words, why is Dirac Radioactivities
increasing the nuclear content of water in Comets? I
have to have some
mechanism as to why Dirac
Radioactivities makes Comet water special. I do not
have that mechanism.

CellWell1 is Sun and inner planets which is alleged
to be 10 billion years old.


CellWell2 is the outer planets such as Jupiter and Saturn and its
satellites


So I need to explain why there is more heavy water
in Comets than Earth's ocean water.


Could it be that Dirac Radioactivities creates heavy
water at the same rate whether on Earth or Jupiter
or a Comet and that only because of the age differences that such a
density of heavy water wanes
through time? If so, then heavy water is a proof of the
Sun and Earth as 10 billion years old.


So in this explanation, Dirac Radioactivities when it creates water
molecules, it forms heavy water in the proportion that we observe on
Comets. And Comets
are part of CellWell2 of a younger age than Earth as
5 billion years. So that after 5 billion years in a 10 billion years
old Earth, that the heavy water density
shrinks to what we observe on Earth.


So is there a 2 to 1 ratio deuterium density between
Earth and Comets?


--- quoting from http://www.americanscientist.org/tem...ssetid/14384/p...


Earthly seawater contains 160 ppm of deuterium, an enrichment of
eight
times relative to the deuterium in the solar nebula. So we would
expect the comets to
be similarly enriched, no?


No. As it happens, the water in the three bright comets-Halley,
Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp-that recently swung past the Earth averaged
about 320 ppm deuterium, an enrichment of 16 times over the
deuterium
in the solar nebula, and twice that found in seawater! How do we
account for these differences?
--- end quoting that website ---


I still need to look up what the Europa deuterium density is.


Subject: deuterium in Comets as proof of a 10 billion year old
Earth?


Yousuf Khan wrote:
Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
CellWell1 is Sun and inner planets which is alleged
to be 10 billion years old.


CellWell2 is the outer planets such as Jupiter and Saturn and its
satellites


So I need to explain why there is more heavy water
in Comets than Earth's ocean water.


What does Deuterium have to do with getting the age of the Solar System?
Deuterium is as stable as regular Hydrogen, there's no radioactive
decay
here.


* *Yousuf Khan

Good question, and a complex answer. I may not have the answer
tonight
but
should after some thought.


So let us picture Dirac Radioactivities as creating all matter. It
emits from the Nucleus
of the Atom Totality and we observe it as cosmic rays-- nuclei or
protons and as
cosmic gamma rays and all their descendent transmutations of
particles.


So as we have say protoEarth some 10 billion years ago as a dot-seed
and where
cosmic rays or gamma rays accumulate around this dot-seed slowly
amassing more
proton, neutrons, electrons of elements and compounds. And suppose
for
5 billion years
of Earth's steady accrection of Dirac matter that the ratio of
deuterium to normal water
is 320 ppm deuterium overall average. But then for the next 5
billion
years of Dirac
accretion of matter, for some reason the differential rate of Dirac
new matter makes
the ratio of normal water with deuterium overall decrease to that of
160 ppm.


That is about the best I can do at this moment. And I am making a
longshot bet, that
the observed measure of deuterium to normal water on Europa or Io or
Pluto or
any of the bodies beyond Pluto will come in at the 320 ppm ratio. I
have searched
high and hard for information on deuterium for the gas-giant's-
satellites and there
seems to be no information on that deuterium ratio. Perhaps the
obstacle with the
outer planets and their satellites is that gaseous water is observed
but no actual
pools of water such as in a comet. I am obviously not privy to the
details of measuring
deuterium in comets versus Io or Europa or Jupiter or Saturn. My
guess
is that
if it were measurable and comparable the data would say 320 ppm
matching that of
Comets.

Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies