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I have neglected this thread. my research has been completed and I will
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On Feb 15 2010, 4:35 am, Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
On Feb 14, 7:09 pm, "alan" wrote: On Feb 14, 2:10 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: No, it's a question. What names does Arabic use when talking about the Western calendar? In most of the Arabic world, the names used seem to be modeled on English and are as follows: يناير, فبراير, مارس, ابريل, مايو, يونيو, يوليو, اغسطس, سبتمبر, اكتوبر, نوفمبر, ديسمبر yanaayir, fabraayir, maaris, 'abriil, maayuu, yuuniyuu, yuuliyuu, 'a*gh*usTus, sibtambar, 'uktuubar, nuufambar, disambar in Egypt the Coptic Calendar, a solar calendar with its own algorithm, its own month names (dating to Ancient Egyptian), its own era and its own new year's day also has official status. Yemeni colloquial has survivals of the Himyarite names (as known from medieval arab writers and epigraphy). in Yemen, the Syriac names are associated with the Julian reckoning in Libya after Qadhdhafi, a solar calendar based on the birth of Muhammad with its own (frequently nationalistic) month names was adopted for official purposes. also the era of the muslim calendar was changed to beginning of the death of the Prophet (rather than the hijra), though the lunar month names remained intact. I had obtained them in this post: From: (Yusuf B Gursey) Subject: solarmonthsin libya Date: 1999/06/26 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 494190351 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Newsgroups: sci.lang I obtained the following e-mail response: ======== these are the names: Jan-------- ay el nar Feb-------- el nowar Mar ------- al rabee3 (the spring) Apr--------- al teer (the bird) May-------- al maa (the water) Jun --------- al saeef (the summer) July ------- Naseer (the month of July revelution ,Abdelnaser) Aug------- Hanibal Sep ------ al Fatah (the name of the libyan revelution) Oct ------- al tomoor (the fruitful month) Nov ------ al 7arth Dec ------ al kanoon I am not sure when exactly adopted, but I guess at the end of 1986 and they still used in libya since that day. the other thing ,in libya they use the born date of the prophet Mohamed for the year ,for example this year is 1429 mim (mim=meladeya ,ya3nee milad el rasool) ,and when they say 1999 ,they say 1999 fa ( fa= efranjee). ... Libya The names of months used in Libya were derived from various sources, and were assembled after Muammar al-Gaddafi's seizure of power in 1969. No. Month Arabic Name In Arabic 1 January أين النار aynu n-nār 2 February النوار an-nuwwār 3 March الربيع ar-rabī 4 April الطير al-tayr 5 May الماء al-mā' 6 June الصيف al-sayf 7 July ناصر nāsir 8 August هانيبال hānībāl 9 September الفات* al-fātieh 10 October التمور، الثمور at-tumūr; al-thumūr 11 November ال*رث al-harth 12 December الكانون al-kānūn these seem to have become obsolete. in images from the rebels I see the months based on North African Romance, used throughout much of the Arab world (see the list on top of this post). not surprising. but I saw them from an image from one of the press conferences of Qaddafi. Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia have their own variants and appear to taking their cues from French: Algeria جانفييه, فيفرييه, مارس, أفريل, مي, جوان, جوييه, أوت, سبتمبر, اكتوبر, نوفمبر, ديسمبر *zh*anfiyeh, fefriyeh, maaris, afriil, *zh*waan, *zh*wiiyeh, 'awt, sibtambar, 'uktubar, nufambar, disambar Morocco يناير, فبراير, مارس, ابريل, ماي, يونيو, يوليوز, غشت, شتنبر, اكتوبر, نونبر, دجنبر yanaayir, fibraayir, maaris, abriil, mayy, yuuniyuu, yuuliyuuz, *gh*usht, *sh*itanbir, 'oktobir, nonbar, di*zh*anbir Tunisia جانفي, فيفري, مارس, افريل, ماي, جوان, جويلية, اوت, سبتمبر, اكتوبر, نوفمبر, ديسمبر *zh*anfii, fefrii, maaris, afriil, mayy, *zh*waan, *zh*wiiliyeh, 'awt, sibtambar, 'oktobar, nuufembar, diisembar Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon share a system which is totally unrelated and Palestine. to European languages but which nevertheless (unless I'm mistaken) corresponds exactly to the Western calendar: but in colloquials like in Lebanon some of the non-ArabicTurkish (latin greek or slavic based) names are used. كانون الثاني, شباط, آذار, نيسان, أيار, *زيران, تموز, آب, أيلول, تشرين الأول, تشرين الثاني, كانون الأول kaanuun a*th*-*th*aani, *sh*abaaT, 'aa*dh*aar, niisaan, 'ayaar, Heziraan, tamuuz, 'aab, 'ayluul, ti*sh*riin al-'aawal, ti*sh*riin a*th*-*th*aani, kaanuun al-'aawal |
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On Mar 11, 7:14 am, Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
[...] in Libya after Qadhdhafi, a solar calendar based on the birth of Muhammad with its own (frequently nationalistic) month names was adopted for official purposes. also the era of the muslim calendar was changed to beginning of the death of the Prophet (rather than the hijra), though the lunar month names remained intact. I had obtained them in this post: From: (Yusuf B Gursey) Subject: solarmonthsin libya Date: 1999/06/26 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 494190351 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Newsgroups: sci.lang I obtained the following e-mail response: ======== these are the names: Jan-------- ay el nar Feb-------- el nowar Mar ------- al rabee3 (the spring) Apr--------- al teer (the bird) May-------- al maa (the water) Jun --------- al saeef (the summer) July ------- Naseer (the month of July revelution ,Abdelnaser) Aug------- Hanibal Sep ------ al Fatah (the name of the libyan revelution) Oct ------- al tomoor (the fruitful month) Nov ------ al 7arth Dec ------ al kanoon I am not sure when exactly adopted, but I guess at the end of 1986 and they still used in libya since that day. the other thing ,in libya they use the born date of the prophet Mohamed for the year ,for example this year is 1429 mim (mim=meladeya ,ya3nee milad el rasool) ,and when they say 1999 ,they say 1999 fa ( fa= efranjee). ... Libya The names of months used in Libya were derived from various sources, and were assembled after Muammar al-Gaddafi's seizure of power in 1969. No. Month Arabic Name In Arabic 1 January أين النار aynu n-nār 2 February النوار an-nuwwār 3 March الربيع ar-rabī 4 April الطير al-tayr 5 May الماء al-mā' 6 June الصيف al-sayf 7 July ناصر nāsir 8 August هانيبال hānībāl 9 September الفات* al-fātieh 10 October التمور، الثمور at-tumūr; al-thumūr 11 November ال*رث al-harth 12 December الكانون al-kānūn these seem to have become obsolete. in images from the rebels I see the months based on North African Romance, used throughout much of the Arab world (see the list on top of this post). not surprising. but I saw them from an image from one of the press conferences of Qaddafi. It's interesting to see that Qaddafi's weirdness and inconsistency found its way even into his calendar innovation. According to this Libyan website (http://www.libyanyouths.com/vb/t19031.html), January can be called either اى النار or أين النار (ayyu-n-na:r or 'aynu-n-na:r, or maybe 'aina-n-na:r --- vocalisation is not shown). In any case, the month's name could seem to pose a question ('aina-n-na:r = where is the fire?) (ayyu-n-na:r = which fire?) (If vocalised ainu-n-na:r, I suppose it could mean "the where of fire" or the "space" of fire). The website explains the reason for the name: "سبب التسمية انه يكون الجو شتاء والبرد ولذلك الناس تب*ث عن النار لتتدفىء بها " ("The reason for the naming is that it is winter and it is cold and therefore people looking for fire to warm themselves") So, I guess it's conceivable that it *is* 'ayna-n-naar (where's the fire?). But then what's meant by ayyu -n-na:r ? (which fire?) To expect Qaddafi to make sense, of course, is unreasonable. I'm reminded of one of his simultaneous translators giving up halfway through one of his rambling speeches, saying, in effect, that he "doesn't even make sense in Arabic"... |
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On Mar 11, 10:44*pm, "alan" wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:14 am, Yusuf B Gursey wrote: [...] in Libya after Qadhdhafi, a solar calendar based on the birth of Muhammad with its own (frequently nationalistic) month names was adopted for official purposes. also the era of the muslim calendar was changed to beginning of the death of the Prophet (rather than the hijra), though the lunar month names remained intact. I had obtained them in this post: * From: (Yusuf B Gursey) Subject: solarmonthsin libya Date: 1999/06/26 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 494190351 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Newsgroups: sci.lang I obtained the following e-mail response: ======== these are the names: Jan-------- ay el nar Feb-------- el nowar Mar ------- al rabee3 *(the spring) Apr--------- al teer * * *(the bird) May-------- al maa * *(the water) Jun --------- al saeef *(the summer) July ------- Naseer * *(the month of July revelution ,Abdelnaser) Aug------- Hanibal Sep ------ *al Fatah * *(the name of the libyan revelution) Oct ------- al tomoor (the fruitful month) Nov ------ al 7arth Dec ------ al kanoon I am not sure when exactly adopted, but I guess at the end of 1986 and they still used in libya since that day. the other thing ,in libya they use the born date of the prophet Mohamed for the year ,for example this year is 1429 mim *(mim=meladeya ,ya3nee milad el rasool) ,and when they say 1999 ,they say 1999 fa ( fa= efranjee). ... Libya The names of months used in Libya were derived from various sources, and were assembled after Muammar al-Gaddafi's seizure of power in 1969. No. Month Arabic Name In Arabic 1 January أين النار aynu n-nār 2 February النوار an-nuwwār 3 March الربيع ar-rabī 4 April الطير al-tayr 5 May الماء al-mā' 6 June الصيف al-sayf 7 July ناصر nāsir 8 August هانيبال hānībāl 9 September الفات* al-fātieh 10 October التمور، الثمور at-tumūr; al-thumūr 11 November ال*رث al-harth 12 December الكانون al-kānūn these seem to have become obsolete. in images from the rebels I see the months based on North African Romance, used throughout much of the Arab world (see the list on top of this post). not surprising. but I saw them from an image from one of the press conferences of Qaddafi. It's interesting to see that Qaddafi's weirdness and inconsistency found its way even into his calendar innovation. According to this Libyan website (http://www.libyanyouths.com/vb/t19031.html), January can be called either اى النار or أين النار *(ayyu-n-na:r or 'aynu-n-na:r, or maybe 'aina-n-na:r --- vocalisation is not shown). *In any case, the month's name could seem to *pose a question ('aina-n-na:r = where is the fire?) (ayyu-n-na:r = which fire?) (If vocalised ainu-n-na:r, I suppose it could mean "the where of fire" or the "space" of fire). The website explains the reason for the name: "سبب التسمية انه يكون الجو شتاء والبرد ولذلك الناس تب*ث عن النار لتتدفىء بها " ("The reason for the naming is that it is winter and it is cold and therefore people looking for fire to warm themselves") So, I guess it's conceivable that it *is* 'ayna-n-naar (where's the fire?). But then what's meant by ayyu -n-na:r ? (which fire?) To expect Qaddafi to make sense, of course, is unreasonable. *I'm reminded of one of his simultaneous translators giving up halfway through one of his rambling speeches, saying, in effect, that he "doesn't even make sense in Arabic"... Qaddafi also changed the era. the solar era from the traditional date of the birth of Muhammad and the Islamic lunar era from the death of Muhammad (which normally is counted from the Hegirah, his flight to Madina). he did not chnge the names of the lunar months. the late Niyazov (adopting the name Turkmenbashi "Chief of the Turkmen") also invented a new claendar after the names of family! |
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