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I've been reading theories about the earliest generations of
super-massive stars, and I've found the consensus seems to be the following fates are likely: 8-30 solar masses: Supernova - neutron star 30-140 solar masses: Hypernova - black hole 140-260 solar masses: Pair instability supernova - complete disruption, no remnant 260- solar masses: Hypernova - black hole Can anyone explain what a pair instability supernova is? (Google shows lots of scientific papers mentioning it, but they all seem to assume the reader already knows about this stuff ![]() layman-understandable explanation of how/why stars in that mass range can be completely disrupted, and not above and below it? Also, what's the expected quantity of material in the other mass ranges that gets blown off rather than ending up in the black hole? (I know for the lowest mass range, only 10-20% of the total mass ends up in the neutron star, with much of the rest presumably contributing to the metallicity of the interstellar medium.) Thanks, -- "Sore wa himitsu desu." To reply by email, remove the small snack from address. http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace |
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Russell Wallace wrote:
I've been reading theories about the earliest generations of super-massive stars, and I've found the consensus seems to be the following fates are likely: 8-30 solar masses: Supernova - neutron star 30-140 solar masses: Hypernova - black hole 140-260 solar masses: Pair instability supernova - complete disruption, no remnant 260- solar masses: Hypernova - black hole Stars have a physical upper limit of about 120 solar masses as increased radiation simple blows of the outer layers of mass. |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:16:25 GMT, Sam Wormley
wrote: Stars have a physical upper limit of about 120 solar masses as increased radiation simple blows of the outer layers of mass. I can't say of my own knowledge whether this is correct - I'm no astronomer - but I've found a few dozen articles by people who are, claiming that isn't the case, and suggesting several hundred solar masses and upward as physical possibilities. -- "Sore wa himitsu desu." To reply by email, remove the small snack from address. http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace |
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Russell Wallace wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:16:25 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote: Stars have a physical upper limit of about 120 solar masses as increased radiation simple blows of the outer layers of mass. I can't say of my own knowledge whether this is correct - I'm no astronomer - but I've found a few dozen articles by people who are, claiming that isn't the case, and suggesting several hundred solar masses and upward as physical possibilities. Cite References Please |
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Russell Wallace wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:16:25 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote: Stars have a physical upper limit of about 120 solar masses as increased radiation simple blows of the outer layers of mass. I can't say of my own knowledge whether this is correct - I'm no astronomer - but I've found a few dozen articles by people who are, claiming that isn't the case, and suggesting several hundred solar masses and upward as physical possibilities. -- "Sore wa himitsu desu." To reply by email, remove the small snack from address. http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace See: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/Star.html |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:29:15 GMT, Sam Wormley
wrote: Cite References Please Certainly, here's a bunch I found last night: http://www.google.ie/search?q=%22pai...-8&hl=en&meta= Most of these appear to be articles for scientific journals, written by professional astronomers. I've seen some authors suggest the possibility of stars forming with up to a million solar masses (and collapsing fairly quickly into black holes), but I don't have references for those. -- "Sore wa himitsu desu." To reply by email, remove the small snack from address. http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:48:38 GMT, Sam Wormley
wrote: See: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/Star.html You mean the bit where it quotes the most massive star known as being 80-100 solar masses? *nod* I understand Eta Carinae and the Pistol Star are comparable to that; the context I've seen in which substantially greater masses than this are discussed is that of "Population III" stars, i.e. the first generation, formed with zero metallicity. -- "Sore wa himitsu desu." To reply by email, remove the small snack from address. http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace |
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In sci.astro Russell Wallace wrote:
I've been reading theories about the earliest generations of super-massive stars, and I've found the consensus seems to be the following fates are likely: 8-30 solar masses: Supernova - neutron star 30-140 solar masses: Hypernova - black hole 140-260 solar masses: Pair instability supernova - complete disruption, no remnant 260- solar masses: Hypernova - black hole Can anyone explain what a pair instability supernova is? (Google shows lots of scientific papers mentioning it, but they all seem to assume the reader already knows about this stuff ![]() layman-understandable explanation of how/why stars in that mass range can be completely disrupted, and not above and below it? Also, what's the expected quantity of material in the other mass ranges that gets blown off rather than ending up in the black hole? (I know for the lowest mass range, only 10-20% of the total mass ends up in the neutron star, with much of the rest presumably contributing to the metallicity of the interstellar medium.) From some meeting notes, if I can decode them properly - pair instability sets in when the core gets so hot that the energy per nucleon allows production of electron-positron pairs in the presence of additional particles to conserve momentum. This is a dramatic cooling mechanism, which brings on core collapse since the nucleons suddenly cool when the core temperature first gets this hot. For primordial stars, this is calculated to happen for 100 solar masses and up (noting a difference from your table - different groups get different mass ranges...). Above 260 solar masses or so, an additional mechanism sets in that one could call reverse fusion. The temperature during collapse can reach 10^9 K, at which point iron-peak nuclei are ripped apart into neutrons and He nuclei. This can sap so much energy that the star collapses without a supernova (hypernova) explosion. A pair-instability SN ends up with most of the star's mass bound and going into the remnant black hole. In the business, folks speak of the mass cut being high (the mass cut being the point in the star's mass where interior material doesn not escape the explosion). In principle, we should be able to see characteristic patterns of chemical abundances at high redshift resulting from these various ways to blow up stars. We may see some, others don't obviously show up. One major project for the James Webb Space Telescope (assuming it survives the next 6 years of NASA restructuring) is seeking the supernova outbursts of these first-generation stars. We expect to see one of these about every 8 seconds around the whole sky - the problem is finding objects that are 26th magnitude in the infrared bands and whose location we don't know. One advantage is that time dilation at that redshift makes the peak brightness of a supernova last a year or more. Bill Keel |
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Russell Wallace wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:29:15 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote: Cite References Please Certainly, here's a bunch I found last night: http://www.google.ie/search?q=%22pai...-8&hl=en&meta= Most of these appear to be articles for scientific journals, written by professional astronomers. I've seen some authors suggest the possibility of stars forming with up to a million solar masses (and collapsing fairly quickly into black holes), but I don't have references for those. Thank you! Reading.... |
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![]() "William C. Keel" wrote in message ... From some meeting notes, if I can decode them properly - pair instability sets in when the core gets so hot that the energy per nucleon allows production of electron-positron pairs in the presence of additional particles to conserve momentum. This is a dramatic cooling mechanism, which brings on core collapse since the nucleons suddenly cool when the core temperature first gets this hot. For primordial stars, this is calculated to happen for 100 solar masses and up (noting a difference from your table - different groups get different mass ranges...). Above 260 solar masses or so, an additional mechanism sets in that one could call reverse fusion. The temperature during collapse can reach 10^9 K, at which point iron-peak nuclei are ripped apart into neutrons and He nuclei. This can sap so much energy that the star collapses without a supernova (hypernova) explosion. Thanks, that's very helpful (and I didn't even ask). A pair-instability SN ends up with most of the star's mass bound and going into the remnant black hole. In the business, folks speak of the mass cut being high (the mass cut being the point in the star's mass where interior material doesn not escape the explosion). http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0305333 seems to say 90% of the metals would be ejected. "In particular, if the star has a mass in the narrow interval 140 M_star 260M_sun , it will explode as a pair-instability supernova (PISN), leading to the complete disruption of the progenitor (Fryer, Woosley, & Heger 2001; Heger et al. 2003). Pop III stars with masses below or above the PISN range are predicted to form black holes. This latter fate is not accompanied by a significant dispersal of heavy elements into the intergalactic medium (IGM), since most of the newly synthesized metals will be locked up in the black hole. The PISN, however, will contribute /all/ its heavy element production to the surrounding gas." In principle, we should be able to see characteristic patterns of chemical abundances at high redshift resulting from these various ways to blow up stars. We may see some, others don't obviously show up. One major project for the James Webb Space Telescope (assuming it survives the next 6 years of NASA restructuring) is seeking the supernova outbursts of these first-generation stars. We expect to see one of these about every 8 seconds around the whole sky - the problem is finding objects that are 26th magnitude in the infrared bands and whose location we don't know. One advantage is that time dilation at that redshift makes the peak brightness of a supernova last a year or more. AIUI, the neutral gas of the 'dark ages' lie in between. What parts of the spectrum could reach us? George |
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