? Looking through a portal affixed to the far side of the moon...

On Sep 3, 2:12*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/3/10 5:00 AM, oriel36 wrote:

You have no idea what it feels like to see the world's premier space
organization promote something has horrific as 366 1/4 rotations
coincident with an orbital cycle when common sense dictated through
the calendar system ,the 24 hour day allied with planetary dynamics
demonstrates what happens with the *absence of the 5 hour 49 minute
fraction from a year of 365 days and their corresponding daylight/
darkness cycles.

* *And the European Space Agency?

Here is a NASA website with that mindnumbing flaw expressed openly -

"- What is the rotation period of the Earth?
The rotation period of the Earth is about 4 minutes (or about 1/365th
of the day) short of 24 hours. A full year contains about 365.25 days,
but 366.25 rotations of the Earth."

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Lcalend.htm

So,everyone here will experience 365 rotations of the Earth this year
and next year while in 2012 they will experience 366 rotations
corresponding to 366 daylight/darkness cycles.The reason this happens
is that 365 1/4 rotations of the Earth correspond to a full orbital
circumference and a full orbital period so that in terms of planetary
orbital dynamics,we pay back the 4 quarter cycles corresponding to
orbital distance traveled on Feb 29 th which were omitted by the
previous 365 day cycles.

I would like to know what people think they are doing by ignoring the
structure which assigns 365 1/4 rotations to a complete orbital
circumference or adopt a completely nonsensical 366 1/4 rotations for
the same period ?.Did our ancestors do something so chronically bad
that we decide to vandalize their system so you can go outside and
imagine that the Earth has 366 1/4 rotations every year ?.

If your heart does not break for what they did in the late 17th
century to the great astronomical insights then you must have a heart
of stone and a brain to match.Why would NASA sanction such cruelty
when the citizens its represent expect the highest standards,not the
lowest possible ones ?.Maybe you can answer that question because I
cannot.

On Sep 3, 12:49*pm, wrote:

...The reason this happens
is that 365 1/4 rotations of the Earth correspond to a full orbital
circumference...

Correct, 365-1/4 rotations, with respect to the sun...

The 366-1/4 rotations are with respect to the fixed stars...

... Maybe you can answer that question because I
cannot...

Well, that's the whole problem here... of course you can answer that
question. You have always been able to answer that question, but you
choose not to, because... well, I don't exactly know why, but I'll
guess that it is because you like being a Troll who draws attention to
himself more than you like to actually contribute anything positive. I
know it and you know it... and many others here certainly suspect the
same thing.

It is probably time for you to move along to another group that does
not know you... yet... it may be that your whole purpose in life is
simply to serve as a warning to others.

Others have implied that you suffer from insanity... but I personally
think that you enjoy every moment of it.

\Paul A

On 9/3/10 2:49 PM, oriel36 wrote:
Here is a NASA website with that mindnumbing flaw expressed openly -

"- What is the rotation period of the Earth?
The rotation period of the Earth is about 4 minutes (or about 1/365th
of the day) short of 24 hours. A full year contains about 365.25 days,
but 366.25 rotations of the Earth."

Yup--Same thing from the ESA, and that is because it is correct,
Gerald! Even amateur astronomers can easily measure one rotation
of the earth. Vega is well placed to make the measurement. The
answer is 86164.0905 seconds.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...al_Time_en.PNG

On Sep 3, 11:32*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/3/10 2:49 PM, oriel36 wrote:

Here is a NASA website with that mindnumbing flaw expressed openly -

"- What is the rotation period of the Earth?
The rotation period of the Earth is about 4 minutes (or about 1/365th
of the day) short of 24 hours. A full year contains about 365.25 days,
but 366.25 rotations of the Earth."

* *Yup--Same thing from the ESA, and that is because it is correct,
* *Gerald! Even amateur astronomers can easily measure one rotation
* *of the earth. Vega is well placed to make the measurement. The
* *answer is 86164.0905 seconds.

* *http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...al_Time_en.PNG

Astronomy is just one of those things you enjoy as an individual
pursuit so only where it intersects with the education system can it
touch issues that are common with other human endeavors in terms of
competence and especially collective competence.There is no such thing
as a professional astronomer or an amateur one should they believe the
Earth rotates 366 1/4 times corresponding to an orbital circuit of the
Sun as it defies basic common sense,the 365 daylight/darkness cycles
from January 1st to December 31st reflect the daily rotations of the
Earth with the leap day correction making up the fractional yearly
loss as it applies to the orbital circumference and period of the
Earth.I don't need to explain it anymore as it assumes competent
astronomers can already comprehend how the 365 1/4 rotations of the
Earth correlate with an orbital period.

If you insist that the Earth rotates 360 degrees in 'sidereal
time',you are explicitly stating there are 366 1/4 rotations
corresponding to an orbital circumference and that is plainly
impossible.This is not about indignation Sam but rather a hopeful
message,it is almost something that I would not rather think about for
any longer than is necessary yet this issue of competence does exist
and needs a very resolute steering mechanism to push 'sidereal time'
reasoning aside and that is where the contemporary institutions have
to act with a decisiveness that is long overdue.If NASA , ESA or any
other institution and organization involved in investigating the
terrestrial and celestial continue to defy common sense by now
confidently stating that there are 365 1/4 daily cycles corresponding
to a complete orbital circuit and period then everything else is
pointless,that they actually do state 366 1/4 rotations must strike
some readers as horrific.

I most certainly thank you for being dignified,even if I disagree with
your position it is a pleasure dealing with another person who takes a
clear position and even should you never alter your position,you have
my gratitude.

On 9/4/10 12:33 AM, oriel36 wrote:
I most certainly thank you for being dignified,even if I disagree with
your position it is a pleasure dealing with another person who takes a
clear position and even should you never alter your position,you have
my gratitude.


Gerald--Thank you for your words. Kepler did something that remains at
the heart of science--he accepted what the data told him over what he
wanted to believe. I wish you could too.

On Sep 4, 6:40*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/4/10 12:33 AM, oriel36 wrote:

I most certainly thank you for being dignified,even if I disagree with
your position it is a pleasure dealing with another person who takes a
clear position *and even should you never alter your position,you have
my gratitude.

* *Gerald--Thank you for your words. Kepler did something that remains at
* *the heart of science--he accepted what the data told him over what he
* *wanted to believe. I wish you could too.

Putting that in context,the world's astronomical institutions or as
individuals calling themselves astronomers express that there are 366
1/4 rotations of the Earth in one orbital cycle when they already know
that they will experience 365 daylight/darkness cycles in a year from
January 1st to December 31st with an additional 366 cycles every 4th
year corresponding to 4 complete orbital circuits made up of 365 1/4
rotations.Even in this information saturated era,the loss of this
basic experience to 'sidereal time' reasoning simply defies basic
common sense and I would much prefer to be optimistic that intelligent
people would choose to consider what the leap day correction
represents in terms of both daily and orbital motions than be
indignant over the incompetence of those late 17th century people.

It is not a matter of considering your position to be false Sam,it is
just that I do not know how people can do something as drastic and
dismal as ignoring their experience of the daily daylight/darkness
cycles and this is what happens with a 'sidereal time' ideology based
around 366 1/4 rotations.

On 4 Sep, 07:14, oriel36 wrote:

Speaking **just** for me I rarely read what you write. I am quite
certain in my own mind what winding up people through simulated
stupidity is your hobby. BTW there is nothing wrong with having a
hobby and provided readers on usenet appreciate what floats your boat
all well and good. It was mildly amusing for the first few weeks but
almost everybody has sussed you out now so it might be time for you to
move on?

In any event choose one of you real life friends and ask them to read
the material you post to this group. Specifically ask them if most of
what you write makes any kind of sense. I'm suggesting you ask a
friend because you clearly don't accept the opinions of the people on
this list - many of whom have shown the patience of a saint in trying
to explain basic astronomical science to you.

On Sep 3, 11:32*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/3/10 2:49 PM, oriel36 wrote:

Here is a NASA website with that mindnumbing flaw expressed openly -

"- What is the rotation period of the Earth?
The rotation period of the Earth is about 4 minutes (or about 1/365th
of the day) short of 24 hours. A full year contains about 365.25 days,
but 366.25 rotations of the Earth."

* *Yup--Same thing from the ESA, and that is because it is correct,
* *Gerald! Even amateur astronomers can easily measure one rotation
* *of the earth. Vega is well placed to make the measurement. The
* *answer is 86164.0905 seconds.

* *http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...al_Time_en.PNG

You must have a memory like a sieve as I have used that graphic on
many occasions to express how dumb it is to use a daily rotational
coordinate to express orbital distance traveled by assuming an
equatorial speed of 1040 miles per hour instead of 1037.5 miles per
hour without an external reference,the steady progression of 24 hour
days substituting for steady rotation.I can't expect that you have a
sense that the orbital speed of the Earth is 6 times yet you have a 3
minute 56 second bridge between 'sidereal time' for daily rotation and
a 24 hour value to natural noon which does not exist,not in principle
or observation.This,of course,is all forensics at a level which nobody
can discuss,the justification for rotation in sidereal time includes a
horrific assumption of 366 1/4 rotations per orbital circuit.

All these guys calling themselves astronomers and going to 'work'
tomorrow can stomach something as bad as not being capable of
explaining the leap day in terms of the correlation between the
average 24 hour day,the number of rotations in an annual cycle and how
365 1/4 rotations coincide with with an orbital period and
circumference.

On Sep 5, 11:09*pm, oriel36 wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:32*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 9/3/10 2:49 PM, oriel36 wrote:

Here is a NASA website with that mindnumbing flaw expressed openly -

"- What is the rotation period of the Earth?
The rotation period of the Earth is about 4 minutes (or about 1/365th
of the day) short of 24 hours. A full year contains about 365.25 days,
but 366.25 rotations of the Earth."

* *Yup--Same thing from the ESA, and that is because it is correct,
* *Gerald! Even amateur astronomers can easily measure one rotation
* *of the earth. Vega is well placed to make the measurement. The
* *answer is 86164.0905 seconds.

* *http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...al_Time_en.PNG

You must have a memory like a sieve as I have used that graphic on
many occasions to express how dumb it is to use a daily rotational
coordinate to express orbital distance traveled by assuming an
equatorial speed of 1040 miles per hour instead of 1037.5 miles per
hour without an external reference,the steady progression of 24 hour
days substituting for steady rotation.I can't expect that you have a
sense that the orbital speed of the Earth is 6 times yet you have a 3
minute 56 second bridge between 'sidereal time' for daily rotation and
a 24 hour value to natural noon which does not exist,not in principle
or observation.This,of course,is all forensics at a level which nobody
can discuss,the justification for rotation in sidereal time includes a
horrific assumption of 366 1/4 rotations per orbital circuit.

All these guys calling themselves astronomers and going to 'work'
tomorrow can stomach something as bad as not being capable of
explaining the leap day in terms of the correlation between the
average 24 hour day,the number of rotations in an annual cycle and how
365 1/4 rotations coincide with *with an orbital period and
circumference.


The Earth's orbital speed is,on average, 6 times that of equatorial
speed so that trying to express orbital distance traveled using daily
rotation to natural noon in 24 hours or a 3 minute 56 minute
difference to 'sidereal time' is just pure vandalism.

On 5 Sep, 23:09, oriel36 wrote:

You must have a memory like a sieve as I have used that graphic on
many occasions to express how dumb it is to use a daily rotational
coordinate to express orbital distance traveled by assuming an
equatorial speed of 1040 miles per hour instead of 1037.5 miles per
hour without an external reference,

You can't get a better external reference than the whole of the
visible universe. That's what the siderial day is referenced against.