For as little as another two cents, what do we get?

On Jul 8, 2:06*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 29, 3:47*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Jun 26, 10:57*am, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. *With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time. *A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
*http://trace.lmsal.com/
*http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? *Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
*http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
*http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost *been mentioned. *If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). *That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. *A TRACEe3 could
be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
cent per human population. *TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
B.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals. *In most
states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
a dime per beverage bottle or can. *So, how poor do we have to get in
order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
per decade, seems rather dirt cheap.

It certainly would be nice having a compact TRACEe3 (1000 fold better
than our existing TRACE) for having that kind of detailed look-see at
other nearby stars, especially of such an extremely bright Sirius.

Obviously our local environment and of course that of our sun would
have been affected by the excess of whatever the Sirius molecular
cloud had to offer, not to mention that of it's terrific original mass
doing its Newtonian gravity thing. After the helium flashover of
Sirius B and the subsequent Newtonian tidal radius loss of its grip
upon whatever planets, would of course be yet another opportunity for
our nearby solar system to grow.

And btw; don't let the usual gauntlet of these Usenet/newsgroup
bogeyman, faith-based pretenders and mainstream pranksters keep us
from the task of deductively and otherwise independently thinking for
ourselves, because now and then it’s perfectly OK to color outside the
lines.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 21, 3:03*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 8, 2:06*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Jun 29, 3:47*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:57*am, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. *With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time. *A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
*http://trace.lmsal.com/
*http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? *Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
*http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
*http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost *been mentioned. *If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). *That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. *A TRACEe3 could
be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
cent per human population. *TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
B.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals. *In most
states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
a dime per beverage bottle or can. *So, how poor do we have to get in
order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
per decade, seems rather dirt cheap.

It certainly would be nice having a compact TRACEe3 (1000 fold better
than our existing TRACE) for having that kind of detailed look-see at
other nearby stars, especially of such an extremely bright Sirius.

Obviously our local environment and of course that of our sun would
have been affected by the excess of whatever the Sirius molecular
cloud had to offer, not to mention that of it's terrific original mass
doing its Newtonian gravity thing. *After the helium flashover of
Sirius B and the subsequent Newtonian tidal radius loss of its grip
upon whatever planets, would of course be yet another opportunity for
our nearby solar system to grow.

And btw; *don't let the usual gauntlet of these Usenet/newsgroup
bogeyman, faith-based pretenders and mainstream pranksters keep us
from the task of deductively and otherwise independently thinking for
ourselves, because now and then it’s perfectly OK to color outside the
lines.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

So, instead of progress we have this thing of ignoring whatever is
technically doable and banishing those with nothing but good
intentions, and otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder
and subsequent obsession of no longer thinking for ourselves. No
wonder this nation has been going nowhere.

~ BG