Pro Life on Venus, this time without observing anything

(obviously I'm excluding all simple minded and otherwise DNA inferior
humans)

Pro other life, as existing on Venus; this is for the benefit of those
diehard skeptics, this time I'm disregarding those revealing and
somewhat embarrassing images of what's been existing on the surface of
Venus, even though indicating as far more likely being of artificial
nature than not, yet obviously my interpretations of what's to be seen
remains in the eye of the beholder. Since those eyes of said
beholders, especially of those pro everything that's NASA and likewise
anti everything that's not, being that there's no possible way of even
suggesting such wonderful folks have been in error, much less running
amuck nor responsible for snookering all the rest of us, as such I'll
entirely exclude specific references to what I can clearly see as
representing anything but natural Venus rock and geology, of what's
within an environment that's otherwise unrecorded as existing anywhere
other as for being created by purely natural causes and events (at
least so far, not one soul has offered their version of interpreting
upon any SAR image that's depicting such artificial looking attributes
as being purely natural).

10 Pro Venus life topics (in spite of Earth):

1) It took thousands of years for the onset of the Venus greenhouse,
at least that's within the vast majority of what's already been
published. Actually some have suggested a multi-million year
transition, while I've suggested upon as little as 420 years worth if
you applied the 1°K/year basis.

2) Prior to becoming so greenhouse, Venus wasn't so hot and nasty, as
going by the research of others and from what I can even see, as there
was some rather considerable degree of surface fluids, as subsequent
errosions clearly indicate where fluids or at least mud-like
substances flowed, erroded the landscape and subsequently pooled into
enormous lakes. Now those lakes are dry as a bone, yet their
surroundings are not those erroded smooth as though sulpheric acid
attacked every square inch for thousands of years, as oddly there's
indications of more landscape sharpness than existing on Mars or
perhaps even that of Earth.

3) The ambient pressure of having to exist on Venus has never been
taboo for life as we know it, much less of life NOT as we know it. The
French lab (COMEX) at the following page (
http://www.comex.fr/Pages1/Page6.html ) offers insights to what even
mere humans can survive. Added pressure insures that the amount of O2
can become quite small, perhaps less than 1%, and the lack of free H2O
means that even our tolerance to CO2 is greatly enhanced.

4) Availability of energy is key to surviving anywhere, as unlike the
sub-frozen and irradiated to death and otherwise pulverised by
meteorite surface of Mars, Venus offers an environment that's chuck
full of energy alternatives, mostly of renewable and of nearly
unlimited capability. With said energy, all sorts of insurmountable
issues become surmounted. Like the process of CO2--CO/O2 is rather an
obvious one, and if you can't understand such principals of applied
energy, then there's absolutely no point in your going any further.

5) Due to the rather unique seasons of their day or nighttime, those
2900+ hour events are most certainly a positive alternative for
otherwise having to cycle through 24 hour torments of horrific thermal
variations, as here on Earth or Mars, whereas merely migrating from a
sunrise event to a suitable sunset territory via rigid airship seems
rather primitive, though offering way more than sufficient means as to
a solution that's resolved by way of utilizing appropriate transport
in order to reach other suitable elevations. This is not my
stipulating that Venus nighttime is sufficiently cooler for
accommodating mere humans, just that it's relatively cooler for those
already existing on Venus, and that's all that matters.

6) Speaking of rigid airships; that's yet another pro Venus sort of
environment benefit, as their crystal clear ocean of mostly CO2 that's
entirely surrounding their globe, this positive attribute offers not
only terrific buouyancy, but unobstructed access to wherever,
especially via their retrograge of atmospheric currents, of which
below those thick clouds remains relatively calm. The necessary
materials and/or elements as for constructing and operating such rigid
airships is also there to be had.

7) Venus has water, mega tonnes worth; even the likes of pure H2O can
be easily and efficiently extracted from those clouds, especially of
the much cooler and lower elevation clouds that blanket their season
of nighttime. Though it would be beneficial as to store that H2O
within the formula of H2O2, as that permits less if any containment
pressurization, as well as for allowing the on-demand extraction of
H2O or just the H2 portion can be taken as need be. BTW; absolutely
none of this is new science, certainly not of new physics, as those
pesky laws of physics simply haven't changed nor been added to for
decades.

8) The surface environment is clean, especially of the likes available
at the 10+km elevation of "Istar Terra" are not receiving one drop of
sulphuric acid, at least not unless someone is intentionally
retrieving such from the contents of those clouds. Raw polished mild
steel wouldn't oxidise nor tarnish in that surface environment, and of
glass and ceramics, and especially of basalt fibers and composites
would way more than suffice for the vast bulk of whatever life
demanded.

9) Becoming more nocturnal seems only logical, as there's sufficient
near-UV and of UV/a spectrum opacity through those nighttime clouds
for even stars to illuminate, especially from time to time when
there's the truly horrific amount of earthshine that's mostly offering
the 450~550 nm spectrum. Thus seeing is not such a problem, especially
if your nightvision has evolved into a magnitude 5 better off than our
human sight. BTW; if you're more nocturnal and reptilian, chances are
that the amount of free H2O isn't all that much of a factor.

10) Communications via the visible and of especially the near UV
spectrum is certainly offering the widest possible latitude of
inter-species capability, although some degree of at least primitive
intelligence is required, of which some day we humans may evolve into
having that degree of capability, though obviously for the moment
there's darn little chance of our species ever communicating with ETs.
We still can't seem to adequately communicate with 99% of what's
living here on Earth, though we've devised countless ways of killing
off whatever and even whomever we don't happen to like, of course then
we invent ourselves a suitable God or contrive some will of God that
somehow justifies our actions beforehand, as well as after the fact,
and I could name countless examples if you'd care to exploit those
issues.

As for those electing to opposing this honest humanitarian notion of
exploring what's more likely supportive of life on Venus than not,
there's obviously some deep underlying guilt, or of perhaps some
immoral intent or ulterior motives as to snooker others at all cost,
as opposed to furthering this affordable and humanly obtainable
research of just having ourselves another open-book look-see at what
Venus has to offer. Hopefully this is not for creating some future
pillaging motive, but of a purely humanitarian and historical inquiry
that'll shed light upon a number of "what ifs". Although, if this is
asking too much, or represents something that's simply too far outside
your box, then perhaps there's nothing worth speaking of that's within
your box, at least not with any respect to those claiming as being
"all knowing", yet willing and able to skew those laws of physics to
suit only their agendas.

Fortunately, I don't have to waste my life covering all those
anti-life issues, as that's well covered by the official expertise
that's already out there, as I've already received way more than my
fair share of their warm and fuzzy flak. However, if you insist upon
hearing their anti-life facts, just goto any one of hundreds of NASA
moderated sites and/or institutional sites taking their grants and
funds from your own pocketbook, and you'll learn exactly what the
collective wants you to learn.


This following is essentially the wider spectrum of what Brad Guth
thinks:

1) there's other life on Venus, though perhaps a whole lot smarter
than Earth humans and, certainly having evolved long enough to have
adapted in spite of the onset of their greenhouse environment, which
by the way could have taken 4200 years to fully develop, especially
since the passing introduction of massive UV illumination from Sirius,
which at the peak of Sirius illumination could have cut their CO2 by
significant amounts.

2) The moon is well worth our going for, even if it's for the first
time, as there's He3 or 3He all over the place, or at least not all
that far into the surface. Though it would certainly be a rather good
sort of thing as having that LSE-CM/ISS or GMDE (Guth Moon Dirt
Express).

3) Mars isn't worth squat, at least so far all the news is old news,
as well as old science. In other words, there's been no new science
delivered from Mars, as it's still way too cold and thoroughly
irradiated to death, with a gauntlet worth of those pesky meteorites
and their shards to manage through, and BTW; you can't breath, nor is
there even enough raw resource there to make due, therefore everything
for sustaining us humans must be imported, as exporting isn't even an
option. In other words; energy in = energy out.

I've been thinking (this is nearly always a bad if not near fatal
sign);
Once all the oil and other natural elements are sufficiently depleted
on Earth, and we've managed to break the 1000 ppm goal in CO2 count,
the likes of lunar 3He will become moon dirt cheap. Although, in the
mean time, we may need to start thinking beyond ET, sort of thinking
way outside the box, as we could be those ETs, or clones thereof, as
descendants from the likes of Sirius.

As for my thoughts on the likes of sending folks to Mars, It's most
certainly not impossible if you're thinking along the lines of
offering a one-way ticket, as then it's just damn difficult, way too
expensive and downright pesky making a go of it. Though Dr. Zubrin is
waiting and way more than willing to go, he'd even pay big bucks to
go.

Besides everything that's going Mars or bust, there's something other
that may need looking into. Besides all that awaits us on the moon
(3He or He3), there's the Sirius associations with 400,000 years worth
of recorded Earth CO2 levels, and perhaps there's even an issue or two
regarding the terraforming of Earth.

Of course, this Sirius research shouldn't cost us the sort of Mars
billions, but I'm fairly certain that our NASA can find their way
about making it into another multi-billion dollar spin-off. As
otherwise I fully agree about our going for the moon, even if it's for
the very first time, as we can always utilize another one of those "so
what's the difference" policy corrections, at least it's way more
affordable and closely related to Earth sciences than anything Mars,
and should thereby immediately benefit humanity. Just the VLA-SAR
imaging capabilities alone well knock our socks off.

Check out these Sirius related pages, it's more or less of mortal
creationism than not, though Gods are welcome;
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-venus-sirius.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/sirius-co2.htm

I'd be very surprised if some sort of chemoautotrophs didn't exist on Venus
at some point, but I'm pretty doubtful that there was any particularly
complex life Then again, you've got to wonder what a fair definition of life
is.

The biggest problem with doing missions to Venus to find these things out is
that it's so hostile. It took some incredible engineering to even get
pictures back, and the probes didn't exactly last long.

Anyoe from JPL want to accept the challenge?


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"Alexander Whiteside" wrote in message ...
I'd be very surprised if some sort of chemoautotrophs didn't exist on Venus
at some point, but I'm pretty doubtful that there was any particularly
complex life Then again, you've got to wonder what a fair definition of life
is.

The biggest problem with doing missions to Venus to find these things out is
that it's so hostile. It took some incredible engineering to even get
pictures back, and the probes didn't exactly last long.

Anyoe from JPL want to accept the challenge?

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Hostile as relative to mere humans yes, downright testy upon
technology you bet, although this is why I wouldn't goto Venus per
say.

At best I'd set up the TRACE-II as a communications relay or
transponder at Venus L2, with an onboard SAR imaging capability I'd
take more pictures, but mostly I'd go about communicating by way of
those lasers capable of 0.5 milliradian within the 400~450 nm
spectrum.

After all, I'm thinking there's no good reason to hit the deck if we
can get all that we need from whomever is still there.

Since a decade ago, of our electronics, as well as for
electro-mechanical technology can be engineered to survive 1000°F just
fine and dandy, though our expertise in rigid airships is still
somewhat in the toilet.

Once a probe or kiosk is situated on the deck, if that deployment
could include a 10 meter tall wind-tunnel, there's enough pressure
differential to operate loads of technology, including heat exchanging
if need be. Though utilizing an existing tarmac that already high in
the mountains, and if doing this within the season of nighttime, is
simply not nearly as hot and nasty to start with.

BTW: I've come across a little something about Sirius that's worth
noting:
Check out these pages, it's more or less mortal creationism than not,
but I believe directly related to planets such as Mars, Earth and
Venus;
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/sirius-co2.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-venus-sirius.htm
(latest entry) http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-sirius-trek.htm

Of course! It's easy to miss such an elegant solution. Spectroscopic
evidence could go a very long way.


"Guth/IEIS~GASA" wrote in message
om...
Hostile as relative to mere humans yes, downright testy upon
technology you bet, although this is why I wouldn't goto Venus per
say.

At best I'd set up the TRACE-II as a communications relay or
transponder at Venus L2, with an onboard SAR imaging capability I'd
take more pictures, but mostly I'd go about communicating by way of
those lasers capable of 0.5 milliradian within the 400~450 nm
spectrum.

After all, I'm thinking there's no good reason to hit the deck if we
can get all that we need from whomever is still there.

Since a decade ago, of our electronics, as well as for
electro-mechanical technology can be engineered to survive 1000°F just
fine and dandy, though our expertise in rigid airships is still
somewhat in the toilet.

Once a probe or kiosk is situated on the deck, if that deployment
could include a 10 meter tall wind-tunnel, there's enough pressure
differential to operate loads of technology, including heat exchanging
if need be. Though utilizing an existing tarmac that already high in
the mountains, and if doing this within the season of nighttime, is
simply not nearly as hot and nasty to start with.

BTW: I've come across a little something about Sirius that's worth
noting:
Check out these pages, it's more or less mortal creationism than not,
but I believe directly related to planets such as Mars, Earth and
Venus;
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/sirius-co2.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-venus-sirius.htm
(latest entry) http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-sirius-trek.htm

"Alexander Whiteside" wrote in message ...
Of course! It's easy to miss such an elegant solution. Spectroscopic
evidence could go a very long way.


Here's something other that's worth doing.

Sirius (A1Vm) delivers UV cycle of life for Mars, Earth and Venus

I've recently acquired an understanding about Sirius, that of roughly
every 110,000 years is when the Sirius/abc group of stars gets
seriously close by, perhaps a little too close for comfort should that
encounter achieve much under 0.01 ly.

Latest Sirius entry (Feb. 03, 2004):
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-sirius-trek.htm

LUMINOSITY is but a comparison of a star's intrinsic brightness
compared to the Sun (where Sun's luminosity = 1) whereas Sirius offers
somewhat of an ultra white "A1Vm" main sequence star of 23 ~ 26 times
brighter than our Sun, although that's still as perceived by human
vision and not inclusive of the UV spectrum. The spectral type "A1Vm"
implies an effective temperature of 9600+K and a mass roughly twice
that of the sun.

Based upon a visual perception, at 0.01 ly is where Sirius might come
across as offering a magnitude 16, as compared to our solar magnitude
of 27 seems like Sirius is still a non issue. However, the peak energy
spectrum of just Sirius/a is supposedly 314 nm instead of the visible
500 nm of our sun, and as such offering many magnitude advantages over
what our sun has to deliver, where perhaps that's worth another
magnitude 10 on top of the visible magnitude 16, plus now having such
worthy illuminations that are more often than not coming at us from
two directions at the same time. I'm thinking about this visual+UV
spectrum magnitude should place Sirius at an equivalent energy level
of perhaps 26 when taking into account those rather enormous energy
factors of UV and near UV spectrums are included.

Keeping further in mind that Sirius/b suggest an effective temperature
of about 32,000+K, thus making it way hotter than our sun, so much so
that even this tiny star emits about 900 times more radiant energy per
square meter of surface than our sun does. In other words, Sirius/b is
mostly UV/abc central, with only a relatively small percentage offered
as visible and IR spectrum. The lesser perceived visual luminosity
factor as compared to Sirius/a represents that Sirius/b has a
relatively small surface area, that is to say, that the star is in
deed highly compact and thereby classified as a white dwarf. None the
less, Sirius/b would surely only add further insult to injury whenever
this Sirius star system were within cruising range as passing our
solar system at a mere 0.01 ly, especially whenever within 3/4 of the
internal 50 year cycle where Sirius/b appears to reside along side of,
or between Sirius/a and that of our solar system.

Even though, for some God forsaken reason(s), Mars still remains our
mainstream media and astronomy focus, thus representing such a spendy
freaking joke, while we're entirely ignoring the greater implications
as for considering upon those of Sirius terraforming the likes of
Venus, that which would have been so much easier accomplished as of
40,000 years ago, and/or of 150,000 years past and so forth, as this
sort of near juncture must also have offered a fairly similar
opportunity for that of doing Earth and even Mars, just as our CO2
counts were indirectly reduced by this horrific influx of UV
illuminating as a gift of life, creating at times the global
environment of nearly 24/7 photosynthesis as being delivered by the
likes of Sirius, along with our normal solar contributions. Obviously
this added UV influx wasn't essential for Earth, as it would have been
for Mars and perhaps even benefitting Venus.

At nearest juncture (say 0.01 ly), Sirius would have created a
gravitational pull upon Pluto, that would have badly skewed it's
orbit, whereas Pluto might even have thawed out for a mere few hundred
or so years worth, clearly making it an unworthy candidate of
terraforming regardless of whatever applied technology. In other
words, you don't bother seeding any planet that's having to go into
ultra sub-freezing and irradiated to death mode for the next 100,000+
years, as what would be the point?

The prospect of terraforming Mars on the other hand may have been
worth a shot, even though lesser gravity being responsible for a
thinner atmosphere holding capability would have left all those on
Mars with a somewhat serious dilemma of surviving those incoming
meteorites, along with much greater cosmic radiation levels, though if
initially there were sufficient planetary mineral and thus natural
energy solutions, even life on a relatively cold and irradiated planet
could have managed, at least up until the last drop of accessible
energy had been extracted.

Consider if you well; upon the very nature of any planet capable of
hosting a sufficient degree of cloud cover, especially if that cloud
cover could be artificially induced into including additional mass, as
well as filtering agents, such as sulphur. As now you've created a
global environmental shield surround that's not only become nearly
meteorite proof but also quite nicely filtering out a good deal of
those bad UV and of buffering and/or shedding those more lethal
radiation spectrums, yet allowing more than a sufficient spectrum
bandwidth of 350~450 nm to slip through, giving the much needed
surface illuminations, while essentially blocking the direct impact of
the horrific IR as well as for diminishing the undesirable influx of
UV/abc to a point where sufficiently advanced life becomes survivable,
in spite of those horrific side effects of creating a rather massive
greenhouse.

If you've got surplus energy, you can certainly deal with a little too
much heat and even of not enough O2, although without such a
sufficient global atmospheric density as your primary shield, all the
energy in the universe isn't going to save your butt from the gauntlet
of solar and cosmic influx, not to be forgetting about those pesky
meteorites, like all those strewn about Mars, and of worse off being
of what's impacting our moon.

Without having such a dense atmosphere and accommodating cloud cover,
sunrise on Venus wouldn't represent the mere 5~10% increase in their
ambient, but more than likely several hundred percent, creating an
intolerable infernal differential that even highly educated folks
would be hard pressed to deal with. As in addition to those wild
day/night thermal variation, there'd be a horrifically wide spectrum
influx of solar and cosmic radiation to fend off. So thereby, as for
being parked closer to a sun, especially of any Sirius class sun, the
thicker and denser your atmosphere the better, plus having an
extremely slow planetary rotation can be just as essential if
remaining nocturnal becomes another facet of your survival equation.

If our relatively minor solar system can somehow manage to host such a
clouded planet like Venus, then it's entirely possible that something
other created and/or modified for the likes of orbiting Sirius could
have survived in spite of our ignorance (imagine that, folks actually
smarter then GW Bush).

BTW; There's still way more than a darn good chance of there being
other life of some sort existing on Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm

Some good but difficult warlord readings: SADDAM HUSSEIN and The SAND
PIRATES
http://mittymax.com/Archive/0085-Sad...andPirates.htm

David Sereda (honest ideas and notions upon UV energy), for best
impact on this one, you'll really need to barrow his video tape:
http://www.ufonasa.com

The latest round of insults to this Mars/Moon/Venus class action
injury:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-what-if.htm

Some other recent file updates:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-gwb-moon.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-illumination.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-02.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm

Good grief folks; I believe it's time that you all refocused a wee
bit.
There's been life on Venus (could still be happening), and of whatever
is left of life on Mars, all three of us being influenced if not
entirely terraformed by the likes of Sirius.

I'm still one of those nice guys that's all for getting onto the moon,
and the sooner the better, though it's become rather interesting that
official "spin" and "damage control" folks like "Gordon D. Pusch" and
perhaps yourself, that continually claim to know everything there is
to know, however besides your leaving out specifics for your side of
these arguments, you seem to be getting miffed about what's so easily
had upon our moon, as well as anything pertaining to Venus, and of now
anything pertaining to Sirius is supposedly off-topic. The prospect of
the LSE-CM/ISS utilizing the affordable basalt composite tether(s) has
also become too much for these folks.

I obviously can't do everything, nor can most common folks, though
others can certainly pitch in with whatever their expertise, as even
odd notions along with whatever mistakes is allowed, as long as those
mistakes are not of the sorts of intentional flak like I've been
receiving for the past three years.

The question often asked; "they (NASA/ESA) must be able to do
something" simply has gone answered, though as for their first-off
negative stance about nearly everything under the sun pretty much sums
up the sorts of "can do" or can't possibly do" issues as most of our
NASA/ESA folks see them; "where's the money?"

Too bad I'm not sufficiently rich nor polished at my saying "I told
you so" or perhaps "finders keepers", as I'd certainly have liked to
have involved others, along with at least matching funds, and to
insure the absolute fullest of credits on their behalf. As far as
"where's the money" goes, I believe this is a self enterprising
opportunity of folks simply doing whatever's right, as even if we
continue making our human mistakes, chances are that whomever survived
Venus is going to have something we need, and vice versa, and thereby
perhaps our resident warlord(s) can summarily take whatever from them,
or we might consider being nice and accommodating for a change, as
lord only knows, they might make their initial mistake of thinking
we're not so bad to deal with, as all we'll have to do is keep the
likes of Osama bin Laden from speaking with them, or perhaps even
those Dogon folks should be excluded, since they haven't developed the
necessary levels of greed and snookering to the degree that we've
managed through our in-your-face carnage-R-us policies.

What's needed are for these folks opposing just about everything under
the sun, to start telling us specifically why it's supposedly so damn
difficult or even impossible as to deliver a sufficient laser beam,
onto and thereby sufficiently penetrating those nighttime clouds of
Venus. Even placing a serious long distance laser packet on it's way
toward Sirius can't be impossible, especially with the 0.1 milliradian
and 100 MW class delivery of those two death-ray outfitted ABLs.

Then perhaps thay can also be informing us village idiots as to why
the likes of TRACE can't seem to image upon the nighttime portion of
Venus.

Another question that needs answers;
What's so damn hard, or even spendy about establishing a Venus L2
stationkeeping platform?

Venus style aerodynamics is almost too good to be true, so why not
simply place an interactive communications kiosk onto their tarmac?

Here's the latest deliveries upon "what's new and of what's hot", as
offering a little more of my three brain cells worth on behalf of
Sirius terraforming the likes of Mars, Earth and Venus.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-earth-venus.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-sirius-trek.htm

Calling Venus;
If you're perchance interested in the hot prospect of achieving
interplanetary communications, as for that quest I've added lots, if
not a little too much, into this following page;
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm

BTW; There's still way more than a darn good chance of there being
other life of some sort existing on Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm

Some good but difficult warlord readings: SADDAM HUSSEIN and The SAND
PIRATES
http://mittymax.com/Archive/0085-Sad...andPirates.htm

David Sereda (loads of honest ideas and notions upon UV energy), for
best impact on this one, you'll really need to barrow his video:
http://www.ufonasa.com

The latest round of insults to this Mars/Moon/Venus class action
injury:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-what-if.htm

Some other recent file updates:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-04.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-gwb-moon.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-illumination.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-moon-02.htm

Regards. Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA

John Griffin wrote in message .1.17...
(Guth/IEIS~GASA) wrote:

Good grief folks; I believe it's time that you all
refocused a wee bit.

For some reason, that remark coming from you made me picture
someone hanging from the seatbelt in an upside down car in a
ditch alongside a broad, straight and unobstructed road, saying
"drive carefully."

I suppose I don't need to remind you that you're out of your
mind, and I suppose you've heard and ignored plenty of valid
criticism of your goofy ideas without me adding any.

Actually I've heard just about everything you can think of, except
alternative notions or workable ideas that we should be doing
something about rather than wasting our time with the likes of Mars.
It seems rather clear that Mars is not only seriously "short of
nitrogen", but that it's pretty much short of nearly everything except
CO2, and damn if even most of that isn't in a frozen form.

Even though I seem to keep running smack into other fellow village
idiots that seem only to oppose life itself, such as a fairly recent
village idiot moron that actually doesn't wish to consider the
available energies of Venus worth squat, much less the greater yet
energies available to whomever might have originated about the likes
of Sirius/abc. It's most interesting in how their skewed laws of
physics can be so pathetically conditional, if not outright bigoted.
I'll suppose they even think it was a darn good thing that the Pope
exterminated Cathars.

Here's yet another instalment of what many consider absolutely
impossible.


Terraforming other planets via synchronized moon

Here's another bigger "what if" that's pertaining to the likes of
Sirius taking a fairly long shot at terraforming a few planets.

Lets just presume that the absolute closest Sirius ever gets itself is
the 0.01 ly, and that of the loop or orbit route offered them a
plausible near fly-by working timeline that's within this range/zone
of up to +/- 1 ly, down to the otherwise absolute minimal (0.01 ly)
distance, which then suggest an overall maximum range of Sirius travel
time being worth roughly 2 ly.

If sirius was trekking itself along their pathway at the rate of 80.5
km/s, I believe that offers 7450 Earth years worth of being within
this +/- 1 ly zone, though we might have to reconsider that their best
effort at to/from commuting was utilizing a 30,000 km/s (0.1 ly)
capability, thus a more reasonable window of opportunity falls down to
the capability of +/- 0.1 ly, or a Earthly timeline of 745 years worth
of encounter, which obviously doesn't give all that much room for
terraforming error, but none the less, for a sufficiently advanced
race, perhaps 745 years worth could have done the trick, unless
something goes terribly wrong.

Gee whiz; what could possibly go wrong, much less with doing three
entirely different planets at the same time?

One of those nagging if not pestering thoughts has always been; what
if we were those smart souls from Sirius, going about attempting our
hand at this sort of task, assuming that we mastered at least the rate
of traveling about at 30,000 km/s, thus being our maximum 0.1 ly
commute from Sirius (one-way) was at most going to take us roughly a
full year (give or take the 80.5 km/sec factor), and obviously lesser
time as our mutual junctions close in on the 0.01 ly differential.

In order to offer some reassurance of providing our teams with a
survivable outpost (pitstop) that wasn't directly associated with
either of the three planets that we had intended to terraform, it
seems like it would have been a damn good notion as to placing an
unusually stable moon about the central planet, though a moon having a
thermal nuclear core of energy reserves as to best accommodate our
terraforming teams. In this manner the three worlds of a given solar
system (such as this solar system) could have been safely tampered
with, and otherwise manipulated with the least possible contact and/or
contamination by our own kind, as well as for our teams having sort of
camped out on a reliable home away from home, that wasn't going to be
nearly as difficult for ourselves and items being delivered to in the
first place, and/or for subsequently extracting everything for the
eventual return flights back home. In other words, making a crew
change at least every 25 or so years becomes entirely doable, mostly
for our physiology benefits and of certain other needs that might be
in order, such as retirement, though some of the most dedicated folks
might pull a double shift, and/or later return for another 25 year
stint.

Keeping in mind, that most of the bulk substances sent from Sirius/abc
are not those having to be deposited onto the moon, but rather
established into orbit about the intended planet, whereas the
terraforming teams stationed onboard the moon would then go about
overseeing those package deliveries, as for perhaps directing their
final decent onto the surface, whereas whatever was released and/or
having to be transported about the globe for accomplish their intended
goal, this would then have been at the discretion of the team(s)
charged with such responsibilities.

As well accepted by our NASA and their loyal huggers, everyone seems
to be aware of and in reasonable consensus upon the initial
difficulties of just getting ourselves to another planet, even though
this task is entirely dwarfed by any further notions of having
whatever it takes as to getting ourselves back off that other planet,
at least with any dignity. In other words, not having to utilize a
body bag, like what's most likely going to happen upon Dr. Zubrin's
return from Mars.

Thus it seems by having yourself the benefits of delivering and/or
creating a sufficiently nearby and relatively low gravity outpost,
that's entirely stable, as well as the one and only having a
synchronized rotation, and actually performing as a rather unique
moon, that's providing an essential home sweet home remote platform
for all of your terraforming teams, is a rather grand solution if
there ever was. As then, only when and if it's absolutely necessary
for making a personal visitations onto the surface of Mars, Earth or
Venus, not only is your to/from commute travel time a snap but, you'll
never have to spend the night away from your underground lunar
laboratory and adjoining lunar abode. Therefore, if the environmental
conditions on your planet aren't right, and/or something you had
previously created for the planet was attempting to eat you, lo and
behold, you would just pack everything up and leave on your fleet
scout ship (offering perhaps 3,000 km/s), and that would be that.

Without any doubt, this is about as far outside the box as I've
managed to get myself, thus as such plots thicken as to how certain
terraforming sorts of things could have been done, it seems just a
plausible for this one to fly as not. Obviously I've left out numerous
details, and I haven't covered many issues that would seriously have
nailed our hides to the barn, at least with any respect to what's
currently accepted or even on the books for the future potential of
ways of doing such things, of which obviously isn't nearly sufficient
nowadays, nor will it likely become doable within the next few
decades. Thereby this avenue of terraforming remains for the likes of
folks a whole lot smarter than us.

Of course, not every well intended effort at terraforming is going to
work as planned, as variables and unknowns are going to impose some
degree of risk if not outright horrifying results. Although, if future
missions of longer range capable probes are continued, chances are
certainly better off than not for your terraforming workmanship to
survive, even though there may come a time when it's apparent that
only an entire "RESET" is going to save the day, and after all, the
creatures now living on those planets you terraformed were just petri
dish clones of something you felt was necessary, so there's obviously
little if anything to being lost if it should become necessary to wipe
the slate clean, and attempt to start over, as it certainly would be
cruel and immoral to intentionally shift the odds by give one of your
creation groups the technological and/or biological advantage over
another. I'm assuming that the "all knowing" God by which Sirius obeys
will NOT have been pleased if such terraforming runs itself too far
amuck, as I'm assuming that would be considered sacrilegious.

Perhaps we should try to realize that I'm not suggesting anything
"Star Wars", as more likely "Star Oops" if you'd honestly consider the
sorts of DNA/RNA running amuck that created the likes of GW Bush and
of a few dozen others. In fact, why even give these Sirius folks any
benefit of doubt, as they could be the mirror image of "dumb and
dumber", which might account for why Earth has been so screwed up in
the first place.


However, this could soon become the very foundation or eventual road
map of what our NASA and Halburton have been planning all along, with
the notions of either terraforming another world for our eventual
benefit, and/or simply pillaging and/or harvesting that planet's
resources for our immediate benefit, and perhaps regardless of
whatever the consequences. Obviously by the standards of what our
administrations have already accomplished and/or allowed far worse
things with entire disregard for those consequences, and "so what's
the difference", what's even better than our indiscriminate open-pit
mining of some other world?

Here's the latest deliveries upon what's new and of what's hot, as
offering a bit more context into what my three brain cells can deliver
on behalf of Sirius terraforming the likes of Mars, Earth and Venus.
*** http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-earth-venus.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-sirius-trek.htm

Calling Venus;
If you're perchance more interested in the truly hot prospect of our
achieving interplanetary communications, as for that relatively simple
quest I've added lots, if not a little too much, into this following
page;
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-interplanetary.htm

Regards. Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA