new water on Mars theory

I looked briefly at your paper and will look it more closely
later but my first thought was that these added forces are
regarded as "apparent". My second thought was that the spin and
orbital movements of planets etc could produce forces insided the
moving matter like charge polarization transverse to the spin and
orbital movements inside protons and neutrons etc.. And that this
would produce changes in the "gravitational" force of the moving
matter.
Will take a closer look at your interesting paper later.

"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...
I realize that quite a bit of water has been found on Mars
integrated
into the polar ice caps and under the surface in many areas.
However,
I think the idea of masssive oceans of water having existed on
Mars
for millions of years - enough to have caused the continent
sized
canyons and other dramatic surface features - has some flaws.

Mars is such a small planet that it cannot keep more than a
super thin
atmosphere. It's so thin that winds hundreds of miles an hour
feel
only like slight breeze. This tepid atmosphere is constantly
lost to
space because the gravity is so small. If man ever colonizes
Mars an
artificial atmosphere will have to be created but it will have
to be
constantly replinished to replace what is lost to space.

If free flowing surface water ever existed on Mars then it
would
quickly evaporate into the atmosphere, and soon thereafter be
lost to
space. It is simply not possible for oceans of water to have
existed
there for millions of years. The problem then is to explain
what
could have caused the surface features, if not water. I
believe it
was a subtle aspect of gravity, and I have the complete theory
on my
website at http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/

I know many scientists will be horrified by this theory of
mine, but
I believe it is at least as plausible as theirs about oceans of
water.
Until solid evidence is found of huge, massive quantities of
water
having existed on Mars, then my theory must be accepted as a
possible
alternative.

Bill Clark

I realize that quite a bit of water has been found on Mars integrated
into the polar ice caps and under the surface in many areas. However,
I think the idea of masssive oceans of water having existed on Mars
for millions of years - enough to have caused the continent sized
canyons and other dramatic surface features - has some flaws.

Mars is such a small planet that it cannot keep more than a super thin
atmosphere. It's so thin that winds hundreds of miles an hour feel
only like slight breeze. This tepid atmosphere is constantly lost to
space because the gravity is so small. If man ever colonizes Mars an
artificial atmosphere will have to be created but it will have to be
constantly replinished to replace what is lost to space.

If free flowing surface water ever existed on Mars then it would
quickly evaporate into the atmosphere, and soon thereafter be lost to
space. It is simply not possible for oceans of water to have existed
there for millions of years. The problem then is to explain what
could have caused the surface features, if not water. I believe it
was a subtle aspect of gravity, and I have the complete theory on my
website at http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/

I know many scientists will be horrified by this theory of mine, but
I believe it is at least as plausible as theirs about oceans of water.
Until solid evidence is found of huge, massive quantities of water
having existed on Mars, then my theory must be accepted as a possible
alternative.

Bill Clark

Bill Clark writes:

I realize that quite a bit of water has been found on Mars integrated
into the polar ice caps and under the surface in many areas. However,
I think the idea of masssive oceans of water having existed on Mars
for millions of years - enough to have caused the continent sized
canyons and other dramatic surface features - has some flaws.

Based on "continent sized canyons", I presume you're referring to
Vallis Marineris. What makes you think that it was produced by a
massive ocean of water, as opposed to tectonic forces?

Mars is such a small planet that it cannot keep more than a super thin
atmosphere. It's so thin that winds hundreds of miles an hour feel
only like slight breeze.

Enough to produce essentially global dust stroms. Enough to produce
ever-changing sand dunes.

This tepid atmosphere is constantly lost to
space because the gravity is so small.

So, when is the current atmosphere going to be gone?

If man ever colonizes Mars an
artificial atmosphere will have to be created but it will have to be
constantly replinished to replace what is lost to space.

Does the Earth lose atmosphere to space?

If free flowing surface water ever existed on Mars then it would
quickly evaporate into the atmosphere, and soon thereafter be lost to
space.

How quick is "quickly" and how soon is "soon"?

It is simply not possible for oceans of water to have existed
there for millions of years.

Reference? How long does it take to sculpt river channels?

The problem then is to explain what
could have caused the surface features, if not water. I believe it
was a subtle aspect of gravity, and I have the complete theory on my
website at http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/

Both the Moon and Mercury have gravity. Would not this "subtle aspect
of gravity" produce similar features on those bodies?

I know many scientists will be horrified by this theory of mine, but
I believe it is at least as plausible as theirs about oceans of water.

"Horrified" isn't the right word, and what you believe isn't really
relevant.

Until solid evidence is found of huge, massive quantities of water
having existed on Mars, then my theory must be accepted as a possible
alternative.

How massive is "massive"? We already have solid evidence of polar
caps of water (and carbon dioxide). We see "splosh" craters that
are highly suggestive of subsurface permafrost becoming liquified
by the heat of impact. We see river channels. We see teardrop
shaped islands in some of those river channels, indicative of a
liquid flowing around an obstacle (like a crater).

"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...

Mars is such a small planet that it cannot keep more than a super thin
atmosphere.

No. It is not just the size of Mars.
Titan is considerably smaller than Mars and
yet has a dense atmosphere. It is, in fact,
considerably denser than the earth's atmosphere.
The rest of your premise fails because of this -
among other things.

After looking at your paper again I have these questions:
1)Doesn't formula for grav pull on an small object on the
spinning orbiting etc earth take into account the centrifugal
radially outward force and the the sideways to radial Coriolis
force as well as the mass the object would have in a non spinning
non orbiting non etc earth?
2)What do you mean by a line from say Mars to a circle drawn
around the sun as the circle rotates say in some direction with
respect say to the ecliptic?
3)Re equ of moriton of small body due to N bodies are the same as
given by the incompressible flow in fluid dynamics and so the
motion of planets can be described as a fluid dynamics problem?

"ralph sansbury" wrote in message
...
I looked briefly at your paper and will look it more
closely
later but my first thought was that these added forces are
regarded as "apparent". My second thought was that the spin
and
orbital movements of planets etc could produce forces insided
the
moving matter like charge polarization transverse to the spin
and
orbital movements inside protons and neutrons etc.. And that
this
would produce changes in the "gravitational" force of the
moving
matter.
Will take a closer look at your interesting paper later.

"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...
I realize that quite a bit of water has been found on Mars
integrated
into the polar ice caps and under the surface in many areas.
However,
I think the idea of masssive oceans of water having existed
on
Mars
for millions of years - enough to have caused the continent
sized
canyons and other dramatic surface features - has some flaws.

Mars is such a small planet that it cannot keep more than a
super thin
atmosphere. It's so thin that winds hundreds of miles an
hour
feel
only like slight breeze. This tepid atmosphere is constantly
lost to
space because the gravity is so small. If man ever colonizes
Mars an
artificial atmosphere will have to be created but it will
have
to be
constantly replinished to replace what is lost to space.

If free flowing surface water ever existed on Mars then it
would
quickly evaporate into the atmosphere, and soon thereafter be
lost to
space. It is simply not possible for oceans of water to have
existed
there for millions of years. The problem then is to explain
what
could have caused the surface features, if not water. I
believe it
was a subtle aspect of gravity, and I have the complete
theory
on my
website at http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/

I know many scientists will be horrified by this theory of
mine, but
I believe it is at least as plausible as theirs about oceans
of
water.
Until solid evidence is found of huge, massive quantities of
water
having existed on Mars, then my theory must be accepted as a
possible
alternative.

Bill Clark