Obama and his anti-space crusade??

In the past, I’ve read that because of the Vietnam War, the US lost its
direction for space exploration after Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
Today, I’ve read that because of the war in Iraq and terror, man will
not be going to Mars anytime soon, and perhaps only limited manned
exploration of the moon (depending on the presidents in the next 10-15
years). Then I hear that the idiot Obama wants to “postpone” Project
Constellation for 5 years so he can fund his education programs if he
becomes president (hopefully, he will not; too liberal in my opinion,
and too stupid). If I believe correctly, isn’t the Constellation program
all being done within the confines of NASA’s current annual budget? Does
that mean, Obama intend to slash NASA’s budget to fund his so-called
education programs? Then, I checked out the following link, and it makes
me even more angrier.

http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/globalpovertyact3he.html

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984 when he vowed to curtail, or even scrapped, manned exploration
of outer space and put the money “saved” into social programs. That’s
probably why he lost big time. Perhaps the moron should re-read his
history. Obama is a person who is stuck in the past and is not
interested in looking towards the future. And in the end, everybody pays
the price for such stupidity.

On May 14, 5:44 pm, Paul wrote:
In the past, I’ve read that because of the Vietnam War, the US lost its
direction for space exploration after Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
Today, I’ve read that because of the war in Iraq and terror, man will
not be going to Mars anytime soon, and perhaps only limited manned
exploration of the moon (depending on the presidents in the next 10-15
years). Then I hear that the idiot Obama wants to “postpone” Project
Constellation for 5 years so he can fund his education programs if he
becomes president (hopefully, he will not; too liberal in my opinion,
and too stupid). If I believe correctly, isn’t the Constellation program
all being done within the confines of NASA’s current annual budget? Does
that mean, Obama intend to slash NASA’s budget to fund his so-called
education programs? Then, I checked out the following link, and it makes
me even more angrier.

http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/globalpovertyact3he.html

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984 when he vowed to curtail, or even scrapped, manned exploration
of outer space and put the money “saved” into social programs. That’s
probably why he lost big time. Perhaps the moron should re-read his
history. Obama is a person who is stuck in the past and is not
interested in looking towards the future. And in the end, everybody pays
the price for such stupidity.

If it's your taxable private loot that's paying for whatever, go for
it. The public cookie jar of spare loot is tapped out, as of before
911. Thanks to our corrupt SEC that clearly doesn't give a damn,
lots of folks lost most if not all of their retirement and spare
collage loot, now losing their homes and even their transportation is
either going on the blocks or back to the original lender. Way to go,
government.
. - Brad Guth

"Paul" wrote in message
rvecommunications...
In the past, I’ve read that because of the Vietnam War, the US lost
its direction for space exploration after Apollo 11 landed on the
moon. Today, I’ve read that because of the war in Iraq and terror, man
will not be going to Mars anytime soon, and perhaps only limited
manned exploration of the moon (depending on the presidents in the
next 10-15 years). Then I hear that the idiot Obama wants to
“postpone” Project Constellation for 5 years so he can fund his
education programs if he becomes president (hopefully, he will not;
too liberal in my opinion, and too stupid). If I believe correctly,
isn’t the Constellation program all being done within the confines of
NASA’s current annual budget? Does that mean, Obama intend to slash
NASA’s budget to fund his so-called education programs? Then, I
checked out the following link, and it makes me even more angrier.

http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/globalpovertyact3he.html

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was
back in 1984 when he vowed to curtail, or even scrapped, manned
exploration of outer space and put the money “saved” into social
programs. That’s probably why he lost big time. Perhaps the moron
should re-read his history. Obama is a person who is stuck in the past
and is not interested in looking towards the future. And in the end,
everybody pays the price for such stupidity.

Heinlein had from Santayana, "Those who ignore the past are
condemned to repeat it." The piece of the past that America
seems locked into ignoring, is when in the early 1420's, the
Chinese burned their great exploration fleet. However, it's
not an easy nor simple topic; I'm troubled by comments such
as "...is a complete idiot" etc etc. Whoever wants to act
against such wrong-headed directions, will have no impact at
all if he won't stop and think about who is a party to what
for what reasons ... ideology and money are two core matters
such topics turn around. I don't think 'Paul' has read
Robert Winter-Berger, 'The Washington Payoff' nor any of the
several books lately illuminating some of the Bush Republican
policies implemented in Washington.

And nothing in Washington is simple. "If you want a friend
in Washington, get a dog." Anyone with a little attention to
details and some imagination can construct a whole different
story about Scott Bloch and the two thumb drives on his keys
chain: that those drives carry Names and Details; thus, when
all the hot air cools, Bloch will get his papers not to the
clink but (very quietly) to a very rich golden parachute. It
is in the structure of the place; thus, who starts with all
that strong language, hasn't a chance to arrive anywhere
useful nor do anything useful. In other words, that's no way
to get anywhere in sci.space.policy.

Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.space.policy 2008 May 14]

On 15 May, 01:44, Paul wrote:
In the past, I’ve read that because of the Vietnam War, the US lost its
direction for space exploration after Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
Today, I’ve read that because of the war in Iraq and terror, man will
not be going to Mars anytime soon, and perhaps only limited manned
exploration of the moon (depending on the presidents in the next 10-15
years). Then I hear that the idiot Obama wants to “postpone” Project
Constellation for 5 years so he can fund his education programs if he
becomes president (hopefully, he will not; too liberal in my opinion,
and too stupid). If I believe correctly, isn’t the Constellation program
all being done within the confines of NASA’s current annual budget? Does
that mean, Obama intend to slash NASA’s budget to fund his so-called
education programs? Then, I checked out the following link, and it makes
me even more angrier.

http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/globalpovertyact3he.html

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984 when he vowed to curtail, or even scrapped, manned exploration
of outer space and put the money “saved” into social programs. That’s
probably why he lost big time. Perhaps the moron should re-read his
history. Obama is a person who is stuck in the past and is not
interested in looking towards the future. And in the end, everybody pays
the price for such stupidity.

I fear it is even worse than you suggest. As you know I feel and have
always felt that unmanned exploration yields more cost effective
results than manned. However we now know a little bit more about
Obama. If he postpones Consellation will he insitute a program of
unmanned exploration and AI?

There is this evangelical preacher who talks about America "deserving"
9/11. Obama has didtanced himself from his more extreme rantings. At
the back of my mind is 3KPa. This is the (maximum) distance light will
have travelled since the Garden of Eden. Obama has NOT distanced
himself from Creationalism. He may well be not only anti space
(manned) but anti science in general. "Crusade" may indeed be the
right word to use.

I am British, and I don't have a vote. Hillary would I think have been
the preferred choice, but I would vastly prefer McCain to Obama who is
in fact a very conservative Democrat. In many respects he is like
Bush, only worse.


- Ian Parker

On May 15, 8:15 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 15 May, 01:44, Paul wrote:



In the past, I’ve read that because of the Vietnam War, the US lost its
direction for space exploration after Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
Today, I’ve read that because of the war in Iraq and terror, man will
not be going to Mars anytime soon, and perhaps only limited manned
exploration of the moon (depending on the presidents in the next 10-15
years). Then I hear that the idiot Obama wants to “postpone” Project
Constellation for 5 years so he can fund his education programs if he
becomes president (hopefully, he will not; too liberal in my opinion,
and too stupid). If I believe correctly, isn’t the Constellation program
all being done within the confines of NASA’s current annual budget? Does
that mean, Obama intend to slash NASA’s budget to fund his so-called
education programs? Then, I checked out the following link, and it makes
me even more angrier.

http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/globalpovertyact3he.html

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984 when he vowed to curtail, or even scrapped, manned exploration
of outer space and put the money “saved” into social programs. That’s
probably why he lost big time. Perhaps the moron should re-read his
history. Obama is a person who is stuck in the past and is not
interested in looking towards the future. And in the end, everybody pays
the price for such stupidity.

I fear it is even worse than you suggest. As you know I feel and have
always felt that unmanned exploration yields more cost effective
results than manned. However we now know a little bit more about
Obama. If he postpones Consellation will he insitute a program of
unmanned exploration and AI?

There is this evangelical preacher who talks about America "deserving"
9/11. Obama has didtanced himself from his more extreme rantings. At
the back of my mind is 3KPa. This is the (maximum) distance light will
have travelled since the Garden of Eden. Obama has NOT distanced
himself from Creationalism. He may well be not only anti space
(manned) but anti science in general. "Crusade" may indeed be the
right word to use.

I am British, and I don't have a vote. Hillary would I think have been
the preferred choice, but I would vastly prefer McCain to Obama who is
in fact a very conservative Democrat. In many respects he is like
Bush, only worse.

- Ian Parker

How about, you pay and then you go where no man has gone before.
. - Brad Guth

On May 14, 6:44 pm, Paul wrote:

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984

I didn't know that Walter Mondale was particularly worldly.

John Savard

On May 18, 8:40 pm, Quadibloc wrote:
On May 14, 6:44 pm, Paul wrote:

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984

I didn't know that Walter Mondale was particularly worldly.

John Savard

If because of others before your time is the reason why there's no
spare loot and hardly enough affordable fossil fuel for accomplishing
much of anything else (like your to/from work commute), then where is
the supposed "anti-space crusade"?
.. - Brad Guth

On May 21, 12:11*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On May 18, 8:40 pm, Quadibloc wrote:
On May 14, 6:44 pm, Paul wrote:

Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984

I didn't know that Walter Mondale was particularly worldly.

If because of others before your time is the reason why there's no
spare loot and hardly enough affordable fossil fuel for accomplishing
much of anything else (like your to/from work commute), then where is
the supposed "anti-space crusade"?

That would be the people who are preventing us from getting all our
energy for daily needs from nuclear power plants, using them to
produce the hydrogen for our cars, so that we would have plenty of
kerosene left for the first stages of rockets.

John Savard

On May 21, 12:41 pm, Quadibloc wrote:
On May 21, 12:11 pm, BradGuth wrote:

On May 18, 8:40 pm, Quadibloc wrote:
On May 14, 6:44 pm, Paul wrote:
Obama is a complete idiot. He is just as bad as Walter Mondial was back
in 1984
I didn't know that Walter Mondale was particularly worldly.
If because of others before your time is the reason why there's no
spare loot and hardly enough affordable fossil fuel for accomplishing
much of anything else (like your to/from work commute), then where is
the supposed "anti-space crusade"?

That would be the people who are preventing us from getting all our
energy for daily needs from nuclear power plants, using them to
produce the hydrogen for our cars, so that we would have plenty of
kerosene left for the first stages of rockets.

John Savard

When you say nuclear, it had better be thorium. What's wrong with
those clean and failsafe thorium reactors making h2o2?

BTW, it's because of others before your time, plus those as of lately
is the reason why there's no spare loot, as well as hardly enough
affordable fossil fuel for accomplishing much of anything else (like
your to/from commute).

Where is the supposed Obama "anti-space crusade"? (because I don't see
it)
.. - Brad Guth