Old pics of Wright, Lindberg planes, Mariner, rocket at the Smithsonian

In the midst of a project to scan my dad's slides, I came across pictures from
my parents summer 1965 trip to Washington. They took three photos of items that
would later go in the National Air and Space Museum, but at the time were in
the National Museum of American History (I think).

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian1.jpg
This one has the Wright Flyer and Lindberg's Spirit of St. Louis. I don't see
any other air/space craft in this picture.

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian2.jpg
As near as I can tell, this is a mockup, replica, or test article for Mariner
3&4 (when you compare it to the photo at the Encyclopedia Astronautica at
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/marner34.htm). I searched the NASM site
(http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/space/space.html) and it doesn't list a
Mariner 3 or 4, only a 2 and a 10 (since removed). Anyone know any more?

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian3.jpg
A rocket of some sort, sitting on the Mall. I don't know enough to even guess
at what this one is.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:46:33 GMT, "Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to
\"s\"" wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian3.jpg
A rocket of some sort, sitting on the Mall. I don't know enough to even guess
at what this one is.

....And as dark as that image is, neither will we.

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"Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to \"s\""
wrote in :

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian1.jpg
This one has the Wright Flyer and Lindberg's Spirit of St. Louis. I
don't see any other air/space craft in this picture.

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian3.jpg
A rocket of some sort, sitting on the Mall. I don't know enough to
even guess at what this one is.

I think you reversed these two. The rocket on the Mall is an Atlas (Atlas-A
ICBM, I would guess).
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:46:33 GMT, "Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to
\"s\"" wrote:

In the midst of a project to scan my dad's slides, I came across pictures from
my parents summer 1965 trip to Washington. They took three photos of items that
would later go in the National Air and Space Museum, but at the time were in
the National Museum of American History (I think).



http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian1.jpg - URL CORRECTED -
A rocket of some sort, sitting on the Mall. I don't know enough to even guess
at what this one is.



I have a couple of old postcards (from EBAY) showing the Smithsoning
"Misile Row" circa 1958-65. I believe that Atlas (37D) was moved to
Kennedy Space Center in 1965. It is now in the Rocket Garden with a
Mercury capsule on top of it.


Smithsonian Missile Row 1958 - 65

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi...issile_row.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi...as_display.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi...nian_atlas.jpg


The pictures above are from my Atlas ICBM website - Atlas ICBM's on
Display:

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missile/displays.html


The same Atlas (37D) now in the KSC Rocket Garden:

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi...as_Mercury.jpg



I also have just added several old "Atlas A & B" postcards to the
Photo-Gallery webpage:


http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi.../atlasA_10.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi.../atlasA_12.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi.../atlasA_11.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi.../atlasA_08.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi.../atlasA_14.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/atlas_missi...o_gallery1.htm




-Rusty Barton - Antelope, California

Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to "s" wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian3.jpg
A rocket of some sort, sitting on the Mall. I don't know enough to even guess
at what this one is.


The Wright Flyer used RATO?!

Pat

"Jorge R. Frank" wrote in message ...
"Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to \"s\""
wrote in :

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian1.jpg
This one has the Wright Flyer and Lindberg's Spirit of St. Louis. I
don't see any other air/space craft in this picture.

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian3.jpg
A rocket of some sort, sitting on the Mall. I don't know enough to
even guess at what this one is.

I think you reversed these two. The rocket on the Mall is an Atlas (Atlas-A
ICBM, I would guess).

Oops. And Geocities doesn't like me to post a link directly to a
picture they host, I have to put it in an html file.

So here are the pictures again, gamma-ed up for better viewing, and
html-ized for your protection.
http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian.htm

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In article , Michael R.
Grabois ... change $ to "s" wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian2.jpg
As near as I can tell, this is a mockup, replica, or test article for Mariner
3&4 (when you compare it to the photo at the Encyclopedia Astronautica at
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/marner34.htm). I searched the NASM site
(http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/space/space.html) and it doesn't list a
Mariner 3 or 4, only a 2 and a 10 (since removed). Anyone know any more?

It's certainly not a Mariner 2 replica - too many solar panels, if
nothing else - and doesn't look like Mariner 10 either. Not that it
would, in '65...

The picture's not a wonderful match to the astronautix one, but I've a
copy of a line drawing at about that angle and it matches v. well (it's
hard to see details on the bit sticking up, but the rest is a dead cert
and that looks about right).

So, yeah, Mariner 3 or 4. Given 3 was a failure, probably intended as a
replica of 4.

Googling, there's Mariner 4 replicas at the Michigan Space &
Science*Center (in Jackson) and the California Science Center (in LA).
Perhaps it ended up at one of these?

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Andrew Gray wrote in message ...
In article , Michael R.
Grabois ... change $ to "s" wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian2.jpg
As near as I can tell, this is a mockup, replica, or test article for Mariner
3&4 (when you compare it to the photo at the Encyclopedia Astronautica at
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/marner34.htm). I searched the NASM site
(http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/space/space.html) and it doesn't list a
Mariner 3 or 4, only a 2 and a 10 (since removed). Anyone know any more?

It's certainly not a Mariner 2 replica - too many solar panels, if
nothing else - and doesn't look like Mariner 10 either. Not that it
would, in '65...

The picture's not a wonderful match to the astronautix one, but I've a
copy of a line drawing at about that angle and it matches v. well (it's
hard to see details on the bit sticking up, but the rest is a dead cert
and that looks about right).

So, yeah, Mariner 3 or 4. Given 3 was a failure, probably intended as a
replica of 4.

Googling, there's Mariner 4 replicas at the Michigan Space &
Science*Center (in Jackson) and the California Science Center (in LA).
Perhaps it ended up at one of these?


Agreed. The solar pressure vanes at the ends of the solar panels are the giveaway.

"Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to \"s\""
wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian3.jpg
A rocket of some sort, sitting on the Mall. I don't know enough to even guess
at what this one is.

The rocket is actually in image
http://www.geocities.com/wizardimps/smithsonian1.jpg, and is an early
Atlas with the heat sink RV as opposed to the later
sphere-cone-cylinder-flare RV.

D.
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