Yay. In trouble with ITAR...

While I was out today, a voicemail came in from a General Dynamics
Export Control Compliance guy at NASA/KSC. Wanted to ahve a chat with me
about my web page he
http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocspace.htm

Didn't leave details, and by the time I heard the message, he had long
since left for the weekend. So I get to wait until Monday, I suppose.

So I did the obvious thing... lookeda t that page to see what was on
there that might be ITAR-problematic. I don;t see nuthin' but mostly
Saturn stuff, witha bit of Shuttle and Dyna Soar. I figured maybe he
got the wrong page, and instead meant this page:
http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocair.htm

That, at least, has some Convair nuclear powered aircraft stuff. Figured
that must be it, the guy being from General Dynamicws and all.

But then I got this message from a contact who worked at KSC:

"However, just before we left KSC, a guy from the NASA Export Control
Office (which is run by some contractor, maybe Analex?) came by our
office on an "inspection" and told us we had to take down all the
Saturn V drawings we had around ... now, these were just old NAA public
relation drawings, plus a few commercially-purchased posters showing
the Saturn V internals in very rough detail. He said they were all
covered by ITAR and therefore had to be locked up! We kept telling him
some were purchased at the Visitor Center Gift Shop, but he did not
care. He ended up coming around with an armed security cop until we
took them down and shredded them."


WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:31:13 GMT, Scott Lowther
wrote:

"However, just before we left KSC, a guy from the NASA Export Control
Office (which is run by some contractor, maybe Analex?) came by our
office on an "inspection" and told us we had to take down all the
Saturn V drawings we had around ... now, these were just old NAA public
relation drawings, plus a few commercially-purchased posters showing
the Saturn V internals in very rough detail. He said they were all
covered by ITAR and therefore had to be locked up! We kept telling him
some were purchased at the Visitor Center Gift Shop, but he did not
care. He ended up coming around with an armed security cop until we
took them down and shredded them."

....****'im. Send *me* copies, and I'll post them on my website, daring
the catamite to order me to take them down. I'll be more than happy to
explain where he can shove his insane attitude.

WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?

....Have you contacted him yet about this?

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OM wrote:


...****'im. Send *me* copies, and I'll post them on my website,

Well, now, that *would* tend to defeat the whole purpose in *selling*
them on CD-ROM. However, if you've bought a copy, and they come down on
me like a hammer and make me stop selling them (though I'm not quite
sure how they could do that), then, why, I can hardly say as that I'd be
odffended at them popping up online.


WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?



...Have you contacted him yet about this?


No. But Monday comes, and their trouble *is* the Saturn drawings... you
damned betcha I'll be contacting him. Right after I get done laughing my
ass off. Unless they send me to federal PMITA prison for selling
40-year-old drawings of long obsolete launch vehicles.

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On Jul 27, 7:31 pm, Scott Lowther
wrote:
While I was out today, a voicemail came in from a General Dynamics
Export Control Compliance guy at NASA/KSC. Wanted to ahve a chat with me
about my web page hehttp://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocspace.htm

Didn't leave details, and by the time I heard the message, he had long
since left for the weekend. So I get to wait until Monday, I suppose.

So I did the obvious thing... lookeda t that page to see what was on
there that might be ITAR-problematic. I don;t see nuthin' but mostly
Saturn stuff, witha bit of Shuttle and Dyna Soar. I figured maybe he
got the wrong page, and instead meant this page:http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocair.htm

That, at least, has some Convair nuclear powered aircraft stuff. Figured
that must be it, the guy being from General Dynamicws and all.

But then I got this message from a contact who worked at KSC:

"However, just before we left KSC, a guy from the NASA Export Control
Office (which is run by some contractor, maybe Analex?) came by our
office on an "inspection" and told us we had to take down all the
Saturn V drawings we had around ... now, these were just old NAA public
relation drawings, plus a few commercially-purchased posters showing
the Saturn V internals in very rough detail. He said they were all
covered by ITAR and therefore had to be locked up! We kept telling him
some were purchased at the Visitor Center Gift Shop, but he did not
care. He ended up coming around with an armed security cop until we
took them down and shredded them."

WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?


I got into some ho****er for Shuttle display software. When did they
start putting people on ICBMs that need displays? This is all
documented in my book, "Houston, You Have a Problem" that you can
download at www.dannydeger.net The summary is: ANY data on a launch
vehicle is ITAR.

Danny Deger

Danny Deger wrote:

The summary is: ANY data on a launch

vehicle is ITAR.



That's a bit loopy. It would imply that a *photo* of a Shuttle is ITAR.
It would imply that mentioning that the Saturn I had a payload of X lbs
to Y orbit is ITAR. Even when said data comes from public domain sources.


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Scott Lowther wrote:

"However, just before we left KSC, a guy from the NASA Export Control
Office (which is run by some contractor, maybe Analex?) came by our
office on an "inspection" and told us we had to take down all the
Saturn V drawings we had around ... now, these were just old NAA
public relation drawings, plus a few commercially-purchased posters
showing the Saturn V internals in very rough detail. He said they
were all covered by ITAR and therefore had to be locked up! We kept
telling him some were purchased at the Visitor Center Gift Shop, but
he did not care. He ended up coming around with an armed security cop
until we took them down and shredded them."


WTF??? Saturn V is under ITAR control? Has anyone told David Weeks?

You just can't make this **** up, can you?
This reminds me of them taking the Fat Man and Little Boy off display at
the National Atomic Museum because some terrorist might learn how to
make a nuclear weapon by studying them. "So that's what we've been doing
wrong! The fins go at the _back_ end!"
Somebody might want to point out to them that the Saturn V, and all
drawings of the Saturn V, were financed by taxpayers as part of a
civilian space project by a civilian agency, and therefore are public
property every bit as much as photos taken on the Moon's surface by the
astronauts are.
They are probably concerned that Iran or China will back-engineer a
Saturn V from the drawings and get to the Moon before we return.
This administration is completely off its rocker when it comes to
security and classifying things. Most of this seems to emanate from
Cheney's office, who I am becoming increasingly convinced is clinically
mentally unbalanced.

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:

This administration is completely off its rocker when it comes to
security and classifying things. Most of this seems to emanate from
Cheney's office, who I am becoming increasingly convinced is
clinically mentally unbalanced.

A lot of the ITAR nuttiness arose in the 1990's. Last I checked, this
administration wasn't around in the 90's.


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Scott Lowther wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:

This administration is completely off its rocker when it comes to
security and classifying things. Most of this seems to emanate from
Cheney's office, who I am becoming increasingly convinced is
clinically mentally unbalanced.

A lot of the ITAR nuttiness arose in the 1990's. Last I checked, this
administration wasn't around in the 90's.


Ahem,

That's not for you to say, citizen. While we strive to keep the American
people as informed as possible, the exact dates of our Administration as
well as today's calendar date and even the color of the sky are topics
we cannot discuss outside an executive session with properly cleared
personnel. To openly talk about these matters is a security breach of
the most critical nature and those who attempt to, for instance, fix an
exact date of this administration's arrival as well as its departure
date are, to put it simply, traitors. I trust you do not want to be
included in that category. Good. I'm glad we had this little talk. Run
along now.

Yer pal, Dick.

Seriously, gift shop Saturn V posters? GIFT SHOP SATURN V POSTERS? The
Freakshow Junta's contractor is trying to reclassify GIFT SHOP SATURN V
POSTERS and your response is to snark about Clinton?

Wait a minute. Are you ... are you EVOR LRAK?

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:29:07 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


They are probably concerned that Iran or China will back-engineer a
Saturn V from the drawings and get to the Moon before we return.
This administration is completely off its rocker when it comes to
security and classifying things. Most of this seems to emanate from
Cheney's office, who I am becoming increasingly convinced is clinically
mentally unbalanced.

I think there's a lot more evidence of that for you than for Dick
Cheney.

Pat Flannery writes:


Somebody might want to point out to them that the Saturn V, and all
drawings of the Saturn V, were financed by taxpayers as part of a
civilian space project by a civilian agency, and therefore are public
property every bit as much as photos taken on the Moon's surface by the
astronauts are.
They are probably concerned that Iran or China will back-engineer a
Saturn V from the drawings and get to the Moon before we return.

Better check and make sure no one has stolen one of the display units.

I've alerted the Smithsonian Police; no cameras or rulers allowed near
the you-know-what engine...

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