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Apparently "The Secret Campaign To Deny Global Warming" has to do with
ignoring all the laws of physics and of having to exclude the best available science pertaing to our moon. It's not that humans haven't been affecting Earth's environment, as we have, but simply not to the vast extent of other factors at play. Such as tidal friction (inside and out) of our 98.5% fluid Earth causes heat. A portion of what's keeping our moon via gravity from leaving Earth is what unavoidably becomes added thermal energy. If Earth were instead as inert and thereby as planetology dead as our somewhat salty old moon, as such there'd be little if any significant friction caused by way of those moon and solar tidal actions. The moon itself has little if anything fluid at its disposal, thus little if any tidal induced friction ever takes place within that physically dark and nasty sucker. Oops! I'd previously made another pesky math mistake for the past few months, of my having multiplied by 3.6e3 instead of having dividing by 3.6e3 for having converted into watts or W.h of the available energy that's within our moon's tidal force. Even though the jest of my argument remains exactly the same, this error only shifts the amount of friction induced heating that's continually available. sorry about all that. In spite of all that's CO2, NOx and otherwise via human toxic soot worthy, there's far more of what's more than sufficiently nearby that's naturally cooking our goose, at least a whole lot more so than any of those pesky human contributed factors, and gosh darn if this other consideration sort of looks exactly like a very large and fast moving moon of 7.35e22 kg. Estimate of our core energy leaving Earth at .08 w/m2 = 41e12 watts. human contributed at 1e3 w = 6.7e12 watts (16.34% of core energy loss). human contributed at 1e4 w = 67e12 watts (163.4% of core energy loss). Gravity/tidal energy existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts. Gravity/tidal energy that's clearly existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts(w.h), as for otherwise that moon of ours would have been leaving us in its sodium infused trail of local and cosmic morgue worth of its reactive moon dust. Even if merely 1% of that gravity/tidal energy becomes internal heat to our 98.5% fluid Earth, as such that's an extra 5.555e14 watts, of which our all-inclusive global environment (inside and out) has to deal with in addition to whatever's solar, or else. However, why on Earth should we limit that nifty energy influx (via friction becoming heat) at merely 1% ? Why not imply 10% as becoming part of our ongoing thaw, as of ever since the last ice age this planet will ever see? - Since we're talking about the existing Fc that's existing between Earth and moon, as a centripetal force per second, therefore the conversion over to joules is also of one that's based upon the same second by second basis. 1 joule = 1 W.s (watt second) 3600 j = 1 W.h (watt hour) 1 watt hour of applied energy is therefore worth: 3600 joules 1 joule/sec as applied for an hour becomes worth 3600 joules Each kgf (kg of applied force/m/s) = 9.80665 joules at the surface of Earth Upon average, there's roughly 2.0394e19 kgf of Fc(centripetal force), whereas that's continually applied second by second as ongoing and obviously opposed via the gravitational force that's between Earth and our unusually massive and as fast(1023 km/s) moving as our nearby orbiting mascon (aka moon). That second by second amount of centripetal force becomes: 2.0215e19 * 9.80665 = 19.824e19 joules On the per hour basis, that amount of second by second applied energy becomes worth: 2.0215e20 j / 3.6e3 = .5615e17 W.h (watts per hour), or 5.615e16 watts If that energy were only dealing with contributing to the surface friction of warming Earth: At 1% is 5.615e14 / 5.112e14 m2 = 1.0984 w/m2 At 10% is 5.615e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 10.984 w/m2 At 50% is 28.075e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 54.92 w/m2 Obviously the all inclusive whole 1.1e21 m3 volume of our fluid Earth (including its atmosphere) has been getting the warm and fuzzy benefit of our moon (ideally as much as half of our mutual gravity/tidal action being available for global warming): At 1% is 5.615e14/1.1e21 = 5.105e-7 w/m3 At 10% is 5.615e15/1.1e21 = 5.105e-6 w/m3 At 50% is 28.075e15/1.1e21 = 25.52e-6 w/m3 The actual amount of gravity/tidal force that's applied inside and out, as having caused friction, which in turn having become heat is somewhere between the 1% and the 50% mark. I've long sinse asked of others claiming to know all there is to know to suggest upon a number, but instead they merely did all they could in order to topic/author stalk, bash and having otherwise applied as much naysay and/or banishment as possible. Obviously they have the superior computers, the superior software and all the necessary expertise to have been sharing the truth as of decades ago. I wonder what they're waiting for? - Brad Guth |
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BradGuth wrote:
Apparently "The Secret Campaign To Deny Global Warming" has to do with ignoring all the laws of physics and of having to exclude the best available science pertaing to our moon. It's not that humans haven't been affecting Earth's environment, as we have, but simply not to the vast extent of other factors at play. Such as tidal friction (inside and out) of our 98.5% fluid Earth causes heat. A portion of what's keeping our moon via gravity from leaving Earth is what unavoidably becomes added thermal energy. If Earth were instead as inert and thereby as planetology dead as our somewhat salty old moon, as such there'd be little if any significant friction caused by way of those moon and solar tidal actions. The moon itself has little if anything fluid at its disposal, thus little if any tidal induced friction ever takes place within that physically dark and nasty sucker. Oops! I'd previously made another pesky math mistake for the past few months, of my having multiplied by 3.6e3 instead of having dividing by 3.6e3 for having converted into watts or W.h of the available energy that's within our moon's tidal force. Even though the jest of my argument remains exactly the same, this error only shifts the amount of friction induced heating that's continually available. sorry about all that. In spite of all that's CO2, NOx and otherwise via human toxic soot worthy, there's far more of what's more than sufficiently nearby that's naturally cooking our goose, at least a whole lot more so than any of those pesky human contributed factors, and gosh darn if this other consideration sort of looks exactly like a very large and fast moving moon of 7.35e22 kg. Estimate of our core energy leaving Earth at .08 w/m2 = 41e12 watts. human contributed at 1e3 w = 6.7e12 watts (16.34% of core energy loss). human contributed at 1e4 w = 67e12 watts (163.4% of core energy loss). Gravity/tidal energy existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts. Gravity/tidal energy that's clearly existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts(w.h), as for otherwise that moon of ours would have been leaving us in its sodium infused trail of local and cosmic morgue worth of its reactive moon dust. Even if merely 1% of that gravity/tidal energy becomes internal heat to our 98.5% fluid Earth, as such that's an extra 5.555e14 watts, of which our all-inclusive global environment (inside and out) has to deal with in addition to whatever's solar, or else. However, why on Earth should we limit that nifty energy influx (via friction becoming heat) at merely 1% ? Why not imply 10% as becoming part of our ongoing thaw, as of ever since the last ice age this planet will ever see? - Since we're talking about the existing Fc that's existing between Earth and moon, as a centripetal force per second, therefore the conversion over to joules is also of one that's based upon the same second by second basis. 1 joule = 1 W.s (watt second) 3600 j = 1 W.h (watt hour) 1 watt hour of applied energy is therefore worth: 3600 joules 1 joule/sec as applied for an hour becomes worth 3600 joules Each kgf (kg of applied force/m/s) = 9.80665 joules at the surface of Earth Upon average, there's roughly 2.0394e19 kgf of Fc(centripetal force), whereas that's continually applied second by second as ongoing and obviously opposed via the gravitational force that's between Earth and our unusually massive and as fast(1023 km/s) moving as our nearby orbiting mascon (aka moon). That second by second amount of centripetal force becomes: 2.0215e19 * 9.80665 = 19.824e19 joules On the per hour basis, that amount of second by second applied energy becomes worth: 2.0215e20 j / 3.6e3 = .5615e17 W.h (watts per hour), or 5.615e16 watts If that energy were only dealing with contributing to the surface friction of warming Earth: At 1% is 5.615e14 / 5.112e14 m2 = 1.0984 w/m2 At 10% is 5.615e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 10.984 w/m2 At 50% is 28.075e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 54.92 w/m2 Obviously the all inclusive whole 1.1e21 m3 volume of our fluid Earth (including its atmosphere) has been getting the warm and fuzzy benefit of our moon (ideally as much as half of our mutual gravity/tidal action being available for global warming): At 1% is 5.615e14/1.1e21 = 5.105e-7 w/m3 At 10% is 5.615e15/1.1e21 = 5.105e-6 w/m3 At 50% is 28.075e15/1.1e21 = 25.52e-6 w/m3 The actual amount of gravity/tidal force that's applied inside and out, as having caused friction, which in turn having become heat is somewhere between the 1% and the 50% mark. I've long sinse asked of others claiming to know all there is to know to suggest upon a number, but instead they merely did all they could in order to topic/author stalk, bash and having otherwise applied as much naysay and/or banishment as possible. Obviously they have the superior computers, the superior software and all the necessary expertise to have been sharing the truth as of decades ago. I wonder what they're waiting for? - Brad Guth Brad, not only have the factors you mentioned not been taken into consideration but as far as I know, no one seems to have studied the possibility of plate tectonics playing a role in world climate. Although the plates are moving slowly, by human standards, there seems a possibility that ocean currents could be changing as a result which in turn would influence weather patterns, not to mention oceanic temperature changes at or near the convergent, divergent and transform plate margins. Of course, there is the constantly changing volcanic activity which is spewing all sorts of stuff into our atmosphere. The earth is not static. It is VERY dynamic and I wonder if the "Climatologists" and modelers are aware of how geologically dynamic it really is. |
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:24:08 -0400, Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
BradGuth wrote: Apparently "The Secret Campaign To Deny Global Warming" has to do with ignoring all the laws of physics and of having to exclude the best available science pertaing to our moon. It's not that humans haven't been affecting Earth's environment, as we have, but simply not to the vast extent of other factors at play. Such as tidal friction (inside and out) of our 98.5% fluid Earth causes heat. A portion of what's keeping our moon via gravity from leaving Earth is what unavoidably becomes added thermal energy. If Earth were instead as inert and thereby as planetology dead as our somewhat salty old moon, as such there'd be little if any significant friction caused by way of those moon and solar tidal actions. The moon itself has little if anything fluid at its disposal, thus little if any tidal induced friction ever takes place within that physically dark and nasty sucker. Oops! I'd previously made another pesky math mistake for the past few months, of my having multiplied by 3.6e3 instead of having dividing by 3.6e3 for having converted into watts or W.h of the available energy that's within our moon's tidal force. Even though the jest of my argument remains exactly the same, this error only shifts the amount of friction induced heating that's continually available. sorry about all that. In spite of all that's CO2, NOx and otherwise via human toxic soot worthy, there's far more of what's more than sufficiently nearby that's naturally cooking our goose, at least a whole lot more so than any of those pesky human contributed factors, and gosh darn if this other consideration sort of looks exactly like a very large and fast moving moon of 7.35e22 kg. Estimate of our core energy leaving Earth at .08 w/m2 = 41e12 watts. human contributed at 1e3 w = 6.7e12 watts (16.34% of core energy loss). human contributed at 1e4 w = 67e12 watts (163.4% of core energy loss). Gravity/tidal energy existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts. Gravity/tidal energy that's clearly existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts(w.h), as for otherwise that moon of ours would have been leaving us in its sodium infused trail of local and cosmic morgue worth of its reactive moon dust. Even if merely 1% of that gravity/tidal energy becomes internal heat to our 98.5% fluid Earth, as such that's an extra 5.555e14 watts, of which our all-inclusive global environment (inside and out) has to deal with in addition to whatever's solar, or else. However, why on Earth should we limit that nifty energy influx (via friction becoming heat) at merely 1% ? Why not imply 10% as becoming part of our ongoing thaw, as of ever since the last ice age this planet will ever see? - Since we're talking about the existing Fc that's existing between Earth and moon, as a centripetal force per second, therefore the conversion over to joules is also of one that's based upon the same second by second basis. 1 joule = 1 W.s (watt second) 3600 j = 1 W.h (watt hour) 1 watt hour of applied energy is therefore worth: 3600 joules 1 joule/sec as applied for an hour becomes worth 3600 joules Each kgf (kg of applied force/m/s) = 9.80665 joules at the surface of Earth Upon average, there's roughly 2.0394e19 kgf of Fc(centripetal force), whereas that's continually applied second by second as ongoing and obviously opposed via the gravitational force that's between Earth and our unusually massive and as fast(1023 km/s) moving as our nearby orbiting mascon (aka moon). That second by second amount of centripetal force becomes: 2.0215e19 * 9.80665 = 19.824e19 joules On the per hour basis, that amount of second by second applied energy becomes worth: 2.0215e20 j / 3.6e3 = .5615e17 W.h (watts per hour), or 5.615e16 watts If that energy were only dealing with contributing to the surface friction of warming Earth: At 1% is 5.615e14 / 5.112e14 m2 = 1.0984 w/m2 At 10% is 5.615e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 10.984 w/m2 At 50% is 28.075e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 54.92 w/m2 Obviously the all inclusive whole 1.1e21 m3 volume of our fluid Earth (including its atmosphere) has been getting the warm and fuzzy benefit of our moon (ideally as much as half of our mutual gravity/tidal action being available for global warming): At 1% is 5.615e14/1.1e21 = 5.105e-7 w/m3 At 10% is 5.615e15/1.1e21 = 5.105e-6 w/m3 At 50% is 28.075e15/1.1e21 = 25.52e-6 w/m3 The actual amount of gravity/tidal force that's applied inside and out, as having caused friction, which in turn having become heat is somewhere between the 1% and the 50% mark. I've long sinse asked of others claiming to know all there is to know to suggest upon a number, but instead they merely did all they could in order to topic/author stalk, bash and having otherwise applied as much naysay and/or banishment as possible. Obviously they have the superior computers, the superior software and all the necessary expertise to have been sharing the truth as of decades ago. I wonder what they're waiting for? - Brad Guth Brad, not only have the factors you mentioned not been taken into consideration but as far as I know, no one seems to have studied the possibility of plate tectonics playing a role in world climate. Although the plates are moving slowly, by human standards, there seems a possibility that ocean currents could be changing as a result which in turn would influence weather patterns, not to mention oceanic temperature changes at or near the convergent, divergent and transform plate margins. Of course, there is the constantly changing volcanic activity which is spewing all sorts of stuff into our atmosphere. The earth is not static. It is VERY dynamic and I wonder if the "Climatologists" and modelers are aware of how geologically dynamic it really is. The Mid-Atlantic ridge is spreading up to 40cm/decade according to this: http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/humphr01/node5.html |
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On Aug 4, 7:24 am, "Paul E. Lehmann" wrote:
Brad, not only have the factors you mentioned not been taken into consideration but as far as I know, no one seems to have studied the possibility of plate tectonics playing a role in world climate. Of plate tectonics as having been primarily forced along by the gravity/tidal energy of our moon is in fact the vast majority of what's thawing Earth as of the very last ice age we'll ever see. Although the plates are moving slowly, by human standards, there seems a possibility that ocean currents could be changing as a result which in turn would influence weather patterns, not to mention oceanic temperature changes at or near the convergent, divergent and transform plate margins. In addition to our oceans moved along by our sol+moon gravity/tidal energy, so has our wet atmosphere been kept extra motivated into being pulled along and/or distorted by those off-world factors. Don't ever forget about our rather badly failing magnetosphere, that has lately been losing its potential by roughly -.05%/year, allowing more of solar and cosmic energy to get through (less magnetosphere = hotter Earth). So, there's no one cause, but there are primary causes and several minor causes, that when combined are responsible for the ongoing demise of our frail environment. Of course, there is the constantly changing volcanic activity which is spewing all sorts of stuff into our atmosphere. Again, the natural events of planetology and nature are in fact far worse off than most of what we humans have managed to contribute. However, I give humanity credits for at least 10%, but not more than 25% of our ongoing GW fiasco that started its thaw as of more than 12,000 years ago, about the time when a certain lithobraking icy proto- moon arrived and Earth obtained its seasonal tilt. The earth is not static. It is VERY dynamic and I wonder if the "Climatologists" and modelers are aware of how geologically dynamic it really is. I totally agree, whereas Earth is essentially 98.5% fluid dynamic, as compared to our salty moon that's something less than 1% tidal fluid. Venus (including its robust atmosphere) is perhaps better than 99% fluid, but simply rotating much too slowly for the one and only solar gravity/tidal factor to cause any significant plate tectonics, although its fast rotating atmosphere is clearly tidal forced into adding heat via friction that's in addition to the surface 20.5 w/m2 from the somewhat newish planetology core heat that's continually leaving Venus, and thus responsible for the vast bulk of why the surface environment of Venus is so downright toasty (day or night). - Brad Guth |
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On Aug 4, 10:23 am, Bill Ward wrote:
The Mid-Atlantic ridge is spreading up to 40cm/decade according to this: http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/humphr01/node5.html If Earth were otherwise passive, what's the required terawatts of applied energy for sustaining this ongoing planetology migration of 40cm/decade, or 4cm/year? In other words, if this 4cm/year were artificially accomplished, how much applied energy would that task require? - Brad Guth |
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![]() "Paul E. Lehmann" wrote Although the plates are moving slowly, by human standards, there seems a possibility that ocean currents could be changing as a result which in turn would influence weather patterns, not to mention oceanic temperature changes at or near the convergent, divergent and transform plate margins. I guess to innumerate morons, two continents that are 4,000 miles apart separating by 2cm a year is enough to cause a ocean circulation change in a few years. But then to the numerically igorant mind many childish ideas are respectable. If you flap your arms fast enough you can fly. It's true. Absolutely true... |
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On Aug 4, 7:24 am, "Paul E. Lehmann" wrote:
BradGuth wrote: Apparently "The Secret Campaign To Deny Global Warming" has to do with ignoring all the laws of physics and of having to exclude the best available science pertaing to our moon. It's not that humans haven't been affecting Earth's environment, as we have, but simply not to the vast extent of other factors at play. Such as tidal friction (inside and out) of our 98.5% fluid Earth causes heat. A portion of what's keeping our moon via gravity from leaving Earth is what unavoidably becomes added thermal energy. If Earth were instead as inert and thereby as planetologydead as our somewhat salty old moon, as such there'd be little if any significant friction caused by way of those moon and solar tidal actions. The moon itself has little if anything fluid at its disposal, thus little if any tidal induced friction ever takes place within that physically dark and nasty sucker. Oops! I'd previously made another pesky math mistake for the past few months, of my having multiplied by 3.6e3 instead of having dividing by 3.6e3 for having converted into watts or W.h of the available energy that's within our moon's tidal force. Even though the jest of my argument remains exactly the same, this error only shifts the amount of friction induced heating that's continually available. sorry about all that. In spite of all that's CO2, NOx and otherwise via human toxic soot worthy, there's far more of what's more than sufficiently nearby that's naturally cooking our goose, at least a whole lot more so than any of those pesky human contributed factors, and gosh darn if this other consideration sort of looks exactly like a very large and fast moving moon of 7.35e22 kg. Estimate of our core energy leaving Earth at .08 w/m2 = 41e12 watts. human contributed at 1e3 w = 6.7e12 watts (16.34% of core energy loss). human contributed at 1e4 w = 67e12 watts (163.4% of core energy loss). Gravity/tidal energy existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts. Gravity/tidal energy that's clearly existing between Earth and moon = 5.555e16 watts(w.h), as for otherwise that moon of ours would have been leaving us in its sodium infused trail of local and cosmic morgue worth of its reactive moon dust. Even if merely 1% of that gravity/tidal energy becomes internal heat to our 98.5% fluid Earth, as such that's an extra 5.555e14 watts, of which our all-inclusive global environment (inside and out) has to deal with in addition to whatever's solar, or else. However, why on Earth should we limit that nifty energy influx (via friction becoming heat) at merely 1% ? Why not imply 10% as becoming part of our ongoing thaw, as of ever since the last ice age this planet will ever see? - Since we're talking about the existing Fc that's existing between Earth and moon, as a centripetal force per second, therefore the conversion over to joules is also of one that's based upon the same second by second basis. 1 joule = 1 W.s (watt second) 3600 j = 1 W.h (watt hour) 1 watt hour of applied energy is therefore worth: 3600 joules 1 joule/sec as applied for an hour becomes worth 3600 joules Each kgf (kg of applied force/m/s) = 9.80665 joules at the surface of Earth Upon average, there's roughly 2.0394e19 kgf of Fc(centripetal force), whereas that's continually applied second by second as ongoing and obviously opposed via the gravitational force that's between Earth and our unusually massive and as fast(1023 km/s) moving as our nearby orbiting mascon (aka moon). That second by second amount of centripetal force becomes: 2.0215e19 * 9.80665 = 19.824e19 joules On the per hour basis, that amount of second by second applied energy becomes worth: 2.0215e20 j / 3.6e3 = .5615e17 W.h (watts per hour), or 5.615e16 watts If that energy were only dealing with contributing to the surface friction of warming Earth: At 1% is 5.615e14 / 5.112e14 m2 = 1.0984 w/m2 At 10% is 5.615e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 10.984 w/m2 At 50% is 28.075e15 / 5.112e14 m2 = 54.92 w/m2 Obviously the all inclusive whole 1.1e21 m3 volume of our fluid Earth (including its atmosphere) has been getting the warm and fuzzy benefit of our moon (ideally as much as half of our mutual gravity/tidal action being available for global warming): At 1% is 5.615e14/1.1e21 = 5.105e-7 w/m3 At 10% is 5.615e15/1.1e21 = 5.105e-6 w/m3 At 50% is 28.075e15/1.1e21 = 25.52e-6 w/m3 The actual amount of gravity/tidal force that's applied inside and out, as having caused friction, which in turn having become heat is somewhere between the 1% and the 50% mark. I've long sinse asked of others claiming to know all there is to know to suggest upon a number, but instead they merely did all they could in order to topic/author stalk, bash and having otherwise applied as much naysay and/or banishment as possible. Obviously they have the superior computers, the superior software and all the necessary expertise to have been sharing the truth as of decades ago. I wonder what they're waiting for? - Brad Guth Brad, not only have the factors you mentioned not been taken into consideration but as far as I know, no one seems to have studied the possibility of plate tectonics playing a role in world climate. Although the plates are moving slowly, by human standards, there seems a possibility that ocean currents could be changing as a result which in turn would influence weather patterns, not to mention oceanic temperature changes at or near the convergent, divergent and transform plate margins. Of course, there is the constantly changing volcanic activity which is spewing all sorts of stuff into our atmosphere. The earth is not static. It is VERY dynamic and I wonder if the "Climatologists" and modelers are aware of how geologically dynamic it really is. I agree, Earth is essentially 98.5% fluid, and it has an absolutly impressive mascon in orbit, that's neaby and moving rather fast. 2e20 joules worth of applied gravity/tidal force is going somewhere, and unavoidably doing at least a little something within our fluid earth. There is no human record or any other geology/planetology proof Earth had that moon as of prior to 12,000 BP. Most of the ongoing GW fiasco is not human caused, whereas at least 75% has been contributed by our moon, although it could be as much as 90% caused by our moon. - Brad Guth |
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On Aug 5, 9:49 pm, "ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans"
wrote: "Paul E. Lehmann" wrote Although the plates are moving slowly, by human standards, there seems a possibility that ocean currents could be changing as a result which in turn would influence weather patterns, not to mention oceanic temperature changes at or near the convergent, divergent and transform plate margins. I guess to innumerate morons, two continents that are 4,000 miles apart separating by 2cm a year is enough to cause a ocean circulation change in a few years. But then to the numerically igorant mind many childish ideas are respectable. If you flap your arms fast enough you can fly. It's true. Absolutely true... Are we having another silly Yiddish day? I agree that a few cm on the move here and there is not the primary cause of GW, although adding to the notion that our 98.5% fluid Earth is affected by our moon is not such a "childish idea". Speaking of the "numerically igorant mind"; when did Earth get its last seasonal tilt? At what given date(s) did our antipode mountains suddenly emerge? - Brad Guth |
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