100 times sharper than Hubble

In article ,
"harmony" wrote:

nasa better not make all these astronomical instruments that looks deep and
far into heavens, for it shakes peoples' belief in heavenly father. there
supposed to be estimated 2 trillion souls up there in heavens joining up
with heavenly father. that's way too may to be missed by hubble. without the
religion, people will be be rendered immoral. then what becomes of american
politics?

***{I assume you are joking. If so, the absurdity of thinking that loss
of religion would somehow render a person less moral destroys any humor
that might otherwise have been present in your comment. In fact the loss
of religious beliefs, provided they are rejected for the right reasons,
is a necessary precondition of moral growth.

Let me elaborate.

The measure of immorality is simply the extent to which a person is
indifferent to contradictions. Indifference to contradictions, in turn,
arises out of the desire to fit in with "significant others"--parents,
relatives, co-workers, supervisors, teachers, spouses, etc. It is that
desire which leads most people to view opinions not as representations
of truth, but as tools of social interaction. Result: they refuse to
focus on reasoning that would reveal the falsehood of opinions that they
regard as socially expedient, and, over time, become habitually
indifferent to contradictions, and, indeed, resentful of those who point
them out. Since traditional religion, secular humanism,
environmentalism, communism, fascism, relativism, behaviorism, and
multitudes of other popular doctrines are rife with contradictions, yet
are not rejected by their proponents despite a lifetime of opportunities
to identify their shortcomings, it inescapably follows that the
wellsprings of evil do not lie in false doctrines per se, but rather in
the mental processes by which false doctrines are embraced and
sustained.

That means a person's loss of belief in religion or in any similar
internally contradictory system of belief will improve his moral stature
only if he rejected it *because* he recognized its inherent
contradictions and made up his mind that he was not going to tolerate
them. The search for contradictions is the only way that falsehoods can
be identified, hence removed, from a belief system. When the falsehoods
have been identified and rejected, the truth will be that which remains.

Truth, of course, is often not socially expedient. Thus to become a
moral person, one must be willing to be rejected by those who maintain
self-contradictory systems of belief. And that applies regardless of who
those people are, including parents, relatives, co-workers, supervisors,
teachers, spouses, etc. Instead of fearing such rejection, you should
look forward to it, for it is precisely those who will reject you for
seeking truth who comprise the walls of the prison that prevents you
from becoming the best person that you can be.

Therefore focus on contradictions, reject the falsehoods that they
reveal, accept the truths that remain, and watch the walls of your
prison melt away. Only then will the real world that exists reveal
itself to you, and allow you to find the road to happiness.

--Mitchell Jones}***

[snip]

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"Mitchell Jones" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"harmony" wrote:

nasa better not make all these astronomical instruments that looks deep
and
far into heavens, for it shakes peoples' belief in heavenly father. there
supposed to be estimated 2 trillion souls up there in heavens joining up
with heavenly father. that's way too may to be missed by hubble. without
the
religion, people will be be rendered immoral. then what becomes of
american
politics?

***{I assume you are joking. If so, the absurdity of thinking that loss
of religion would somehow render a person less moral destroys any humor
that might otherwise have been present in your comment. In fact the loss
of religious beliefs, provided they are rejected for the right reasons,
is a necessary precondition of moral growth.

Let me elaborate.

The measure of immorality is simply the extent to which a person is
indifferent to contradictions. Indifference to contradictions, in turn,
arises out of the desire to fit in with "significant others"--parents,
relatives, co-workers, supervisors, teachers, spouses, etc. It is that
desire which leads most people to view opinions not as representations
of truth, but as tools of social interaction. Result: they refuse to
focus on reasoning that would reveal the falsehood of opinions that they
regard as socially expedient, and, over time, become habitually
indifferent to contradictions, and, indeed, resentful of those who point
them out. Since traditional religion, secular humanism,
environmentalism, communism, fascism, relativism, behaviorism, and
multitudes of other popular doctrines are rife with contradictions, yet
are not rejected by their proponents despite a lifetime of opportunities
to identify their shortcomings, it inescapably follows that the
wellsprings of evil do not lie in false doctrines per se, but rather in
the mental processes by which false doctrines are embraced and
sustained.

That means a person's loss of belief in religion or in any similar
internally contradictory system of belief will improve his moral stature
only if he rejected it *because* he recognized its inherent
contradictions and made up his mind that he was not going to tolerate
them. The search for contradictions is the only way that falsehoods can
be identified, hence removed, from a belief system. When the falsehoods
have been identified and rejected, the truth will be that which remains.

Truth, of course, is often not socially expedient. Thus to become a
moral person, one must be willing to be rejected by those who maintain
self-contradictory systems of belief. And that applies regardless of who
those people are, including parents, relatives, co-workers, supervisors,
teachers, spouses, etc. Instead of fearing such rejection, you should
look forward to it, for it is precisely those who will reject you for
seeking truth who comprise the walls of the prison that prevents you
from becoming the best person that you can be.

Therefore focus on contradictions, reject the falsehoods that they
reveal, accept the truths that remain, and watch the walls of your
prison melt away. Only then will the real world that exists reveal
itself to you, and allow you to find the road to happiness.

--Mitchell Jones}***


obviously, it does not trouble you that usa, a nation based on
judeo-christian principles, will turn into a heathen country, thanks to
hubble. damn liberals.

harmony wrote:
"Mitchell Jones" wrote in message
...

***{I assume you are joking. If so, the absurdity of thinking that loss
of religion would somehow render a person less moral destroys any humor
that might otherwise have been present in your comment. In fact the loss
of religious beliefs, provided they are rejected for the right reasons,
is a necessary precondition of moral growth.

Let me elaborate.

The measure of immorality is simply the extent to which a person is
indifferent to contradictions. Indifference to contradictions, in turn,
arises out of the desire to fit in with "significant others"--parents,
relatives, co-workers, supervisors, teachers, spouses, etc. It is that
desire which leads most people to view opinions not as representations
of truth, but as tools of social interaction. Result: they refuse to
focus on reasoning that would reveal the falsehood of opinions that they
regard as socially expedient, and, over time, become habitually
indifferent to contradictions, and, indeed, resentful of those who point
them out. Since traditional religion, secular humanism,
environmentalism, communism, fascism, relativism, behaviorism, and
multitudes of other popular doctrines are rife with contradictions, yet
are not rejected by their proponents despite a lifetime of opportunities
to identify their shortcomings, it inescapably follows that the
wellsprings of evil do not lie in false doctrines per se, but rather in
the mental processes by which false doctrines are embraced and
sustained.

That means a person's loss of belief in religion or in any similar
internally contradictory system of belief will improve his moral stature
only if he rejected it *because* he recognized its inherent
contradictions and made up his mind that he was not going to tolerate
them. The search for contradictions is the only way that falsehoods can
be identified, hence removed, from a belief system. When the falsehoods
have been identified and rejected, the truth will be that which remains.

Truth, of course, is often not socially expedient. Thus to become a
moral person, one must be willing to be rejected by those who maintain
self-contradictory systems of belief. And that applies regardless of who
those people are, including parents, relatives, co-workers, supervisors,
teachers, spouses, etc. Instead of fearing such rejection, you should
look forward to it, for it is precisely those who will reject you for
seeking truth who comprise the walls of the prison that prevents you
from becoming the best person that you can be.

Therefore focus on contradictions, reject the falsehoods that they
reveal, accept the truths that remain, and watch the walls of your
prison melt away. Only then will the real world that exists reveal
itself to you, and allow you to find the road to happiness.

--Mitchell Jones}***


obviously, it does not trouble you that usa, a nation based on
judeo-christian principles, will turn into a heathen country, thanks to
hubble. damn liberals.

I think he just explained to you how a heathen country might
well be more ethical that one based on Judeo-Christian
principles. Go back and read it again.

"John Popelish" wrote in message
. ..
harmony wrote:
"Mitchell Jones" wrote in message
...

***{I assume you are joking. If so, the absurdity of thinking that loss
of religion would somehow render a person less moral destroys any humor
that might otherwise have been present in your comment. In fact the loss
of religious beliefs, provided they are rejected for the right reasons,
is a necessary precondition of moral growth.

Let me elaborate.

The measure of immorality is simply the extent to which a person is
indifferent to contradictions. Indifference to contradictions, in turn,
arises out of the desire to fit in with "significant others"--parents,
relatives, co-workers, supervisors, teachers, spouses, etc. It is that
desire which leads most people to view opinions not as representations
of truth, but as tools of social interaction. Result: they refuse to
focus on reasoning that would reveal the falsehood of opinions that they
regard as socially expedient, and, over time, become habitually
indifferent to contradictions, and, indeed, resentful of those who point
them out. Since traditional religion, secular humanism,
environmentalism, communism, fascism, relativism, behaviorism, and
multitudes of other popular doctrines are rife with contradictions, yet
are not rejected by their proponents despite a lifetime of opportunities
to identify their shortcomings, it inescapably follows that the
wellsprings of evil do not lie in false doctrines per se, but rather in
the mental processes by which false doctrines are embraced and
sustained.

That means a person's loss of belief in religion or in any similar
internally contradictory system of belief will improve his moral stature
only if he rejected it *because* he recognized its inherent
contradictions and made up his mind that he was not going to tolerate
them. The search for contradictions is the only way that falsehoods can
be identified, hence removed, from a belief system. When the falsehoods
have been identified and rejected, the truth will be that which remains.

Truth, of course, is often not socially expedient. Thus to become a
moral person, one must be willing to be rejected by those who maintain
self-contradictory systems of belief. And that applies regardless of who
those people are, including parents, relatives, co-workers, supervisors,
teachers, spouses, etc. Instead of fearing such rejection, you should
look forward to it, for it is precisely those who will reject you for
seeking truth who comprise the walls of the prison that prevents you
from becoming the best person that you can be.

Therefore focus on contradictions, reject the falsehoods that they
reveal, accept the truths that remain, and watch the walls of your
prison melt away. Only then will the real world that exists reveal
itself to you, and allow you to find the road to happiness.

--Mitchell Jones}***


obviously, it does not trouble you that usa, a nation based on
judeo-christian principles, will turn into a heathen country, thanks to
hubble. damn liberals.

I think he just explained to you how a heathen country might well be more
ethical that one based on Judeo-Christian principles. Go back and read it
again.

i know. the real question that bears answer is: would the americanism of
america persuade the people, who always seem to want to be on safe moral
grounds embraced in the bible, to abandon christanity because hubble will
surely blow the bubble with its everday photographs of bright bursting stars
etc and not a trace of the 2 trillions in tow of heavenly father who is
supposed to like like a man, for he is supposed to have a man's image. what
happens if the americans find greater morality in a heathen culture under
the hubble regime? let's stop hubble before it stops america in tract.

harmony wrote:
"John Popelish" wrote in message
. ..

I think he just explained to you how a heathen country might well be more
ethical that one based on Judeo-Christian principles. Go back and read it
again.

i know. the real question that bears answer is: would the americanism of
america persuade the people, who always seem to want to be on safe moral
grounds embraced in the bible, to abandon christanity because hubble will
surely blow the bubble with its everday photographs of bright bursting stars
etc and not a trace of the 2 trillions in tow of heavenly father who is
supposed to like like a man, for he is supposed to have a man's image. what
happens if the americans find greater morality in a heathen culture under
the hubble regime? let's stop hubble before it stops america in tract.

I really cannot parse that. Perhaps your thoughts and your
communication would be clearer if you broke that into
shorter, more independent thoughts.

My only conclusion is that you fear change.
But change is the reality in this universe,
so, perhaps you fear reality.

"John Popelish" wrote in message
. ..
harmony wrote:
"John Popelish" wrote in message
. ..

I think he just explained to you how a heathen country might well be
more ethical that one based on Judeo-Christian principles. Go back and
read it again.

i know. the real question that bears answer is: would the americanism of
america persuade the people, who always seem to want to be on safe moral
grounds embraced in the bible, to abandon christanity because hubble will
surely blow the bubble with its everday photographs of bright bursting
stars etc and not a trace of the 2 trillions in tow of heavenly father
who is supposed to like like a man, for he is supposed to have a man's
image. what happens if the americans find greater morality in a heathen
culture under the hubble regime? let's stop hubble before it stops
america in tract.

I really cannot parse that. Perhaps your thoughts and your communication
would be clearer if you broke that into shorter, more independent
thoughts.

My only conclusion is that you fear change.
But change is the reality in this universe,
so, perhaps you fear reality.

at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. how will the republicans win elections when judeo-christian base
evaporates?

On Jun 13, 9:36 pm, "harmony" wrote:
"John Popelish" wrote in message
(snip)
My only conclusion is that you fear change.
But change is the reality in this universe,
so, perhaps you fear reality.

at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity.

All religions reach their end, eventually. Prayed to Zeus or Odin,
lately? People used to.

hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. how will the republicans win elections
when judeo-christian base evaporates?

GWB already destroyed the Republican party.
Hubble didn't even have a chance to take a crack it it.

All political parties also reach their end, eventually.

Remember, change is the rule.

John Popelish

"harmony" wrote in message
...
....
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George

"George Dishman" wrote in message
...

"harmony" wrote in message
...
...
at this rate you - and your co-travellers - can not be saved. hubble is
going to destroy christianity. hubble must be declared evil, and brought
down. ..

I think you are trolling, but on the slight chance
that you might be serious, just consider that you
can't see the soul of a person standing in front
of you, so Hubble is never going to show you
something that can't be seen, and that lack of
visibility should do nothing to damage any beliefs
you or others may hold.

George


bible says no such thing. you and john poplish both are just giving us new
age stuff. liberlas!

you physics majors are just too proud of ourselves to read intellegent
design, and you are incapable of getting it right.
god made man in his image, that's says it all. there are human images out
there in the skies. they are supposed to have wings.

but not to worry. i just heard recently on 700 club that their scientist has
found a curious big glob in a hubble image. their preliminary study
indicates that if two trillion human figures could be laid together, that's
the kind of glob you would get.

In article ,
George Dishman wrote:

so Hubble is never going to show you something that can't be seen

Hubble can show you things which can be seen, and has already
done so many times. Hubble can image objects also at ultraviolet
and near infrared wavelengths - those wavelengths are invisible
to the human eye.

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