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Old February 12th 07, 11:39 PM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.


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Old February 13th 07, 03:31 AM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.


Um, why?


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Old February 13th 07, 04:22 AM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.

That is if black holes exist. Dark energy is just the large mass of a
galaxy rotating and changing the freefalling (gravitational arrow) of
objects toward that collective motion. A black hole would stop
eating snack and explode when it encounters the energy of
an equally forceful antisnak white hole. All the snack would
burst from the black hole with a deep vibrating sound.

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Old February 13th 07, 04:47 AM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.

That is if black holes exist. Dark energy is just the large mass of a
galaxy rotating and changing the freefalling (gravitational arrow) of
objects toward that collective motion. A black hole would stop
eating snack and explode when it encounters the energy of
an equally forceful antisnak white hole. All the snack would
burst from the black hole with a deep vibrating sound.


There is a high likelyhood that dark matter existed first and it
stirred up matter-energy. Whirling winds in space, a collision
of two-super-galaxies left dark matter intact moving forward
ininterrupted, eventually stirring up matter from its own
energies. Like hurricanes in our environment, dark energy
is everywhere on its own, black winds fill the Universe.
When Hubble looked into deep space expecting to find
gasses in space after the big bang, they found none of that.
It appears that dark energy was the element that gave rise
to galaxies, and elliptic galaxies may have formed as a
collision of spiral galaxies.

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Old February 13th 07, 05:14 AM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.

Um, why?


Something must conquer black holes. The only competitor is dark
energy.
There is intelligence in the above assumtion. Dark energy is 90
percent of
the mass of our galaxy.

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Old February 13th 07, 02:11 PM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.


Um, why?


Something must conquer black holes. The only competitor is dark
energy.
There is intelligence in the above assumtion. Dark energy is 90
percent of
the mass of our galaxy.


Nonsense. Anthropomorphizing inanimate material to
conclude that there is a necessary animosity and
competition amongst it is childish.


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Old February 13th 07, 05:23 PM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.


Um, why?



An expansion within the Black Hole would cause tremendous heating. I take
it that matter is compressed as far as it can be compressed during the
formation of a Black hole, and so is no longer compressible. Conversely,
there is no accommodation for asymmetrical expansion anywhere within the
black hole.

Thus if dark energy were to act in such a way as to cause expansion of any
magnitude at all, the entire surface of the black hole would be disrupted,
perturbed - and don't black holes spin with unbelievable momentum?

The other consideration is the nature of dark energy - doesn't it have the
effect of reversing gravity? Wouldn't the force exerted by dark energy be
equal and opposite to the gravitational force in a particular area of space?
Thus for our black hole, any dark energy would cause an incredible Big
Bang-like expansion.


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Old February 13th 07, 05:54 PM posted to sci.astro
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.


Um, why?



An expansion within the Black Hole would cause tremendous heating.


Ummm, there's nothing within a black hole that can expand.

I take
it that matter is compressed as far as it can be compressed during the
formation of a Black hole, and so is no longer compressible. Conversely,
there is no accommodation for asymmetrical expansion anywhere within the
black hole.


There's no normal matter in a black hole. A singularity is
not just really tightly packed matter --- there are no
individual components or bits --- it's crushed essentially
out of existence, down to a mathematical point.


Thus if dark energy were to act in such a way as to cause expansion of any
magnitude at all, the entire surface of the black hole would be disrupted,
perturbed - and don't black holes spin with unbelievable momentum?


Black holes have no surface. Yes, they can have large amounts
of angular momentum, but this is not necessarily always the
case.


The other consideration is the nature of dark energy - doesn't it have the
effect of reversing gravity? Wouldn't the force exerted by dark energy be
equal and opposite to the gravitational force in a particular area of space?
Thus for our black hole, any dark energy would cause an incredible Big
Bang-like expansion.


Dark energy reverses gravity about the same way that bouyancy
does. In other words, it doesn't do anything to gravity itself
but rather adds another force into the mix. There's no reason
for dark energy, which operates over vast intergalactic scales,
to provide an equal and opposite force to gravity over the
tiny local scale of a black hole. If it did, the solar system
would have been sundered and scattered long ago.


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Old February 13th 07, 07:19 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Feb 12, 6:39 pm, "Robert Karl Stonjek"
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If Dark energy exists, then Black Holes must occasionally explode.

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Old February 14th 07, 12:55 AM posted to sci.astro
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An expansion within the Black Hole would cause tremendous heating. I take
it that matter is compressed as far as it can be compressed during the
formation of a Black hole, and so is no longer compressible. Conversely,
there is no accommodation for asymmetrical expansion anywhere within the
black hole.

Thus if dark energy were to act in such a way as to cause expansion of any
magnitude at all, the entire surface of the black hole would be disrupted,
perturbed - and don't black holes spin with unbelievable momentum?

The other consideration is the nature of dark energy - doesn't it have the
effect of reversing gravity? Wouldn't the force exerted by dark energy be
equal and opposite to the gravitational force in a particular area of space?
Thus for our black hole, any dark energy would cause an incredible Big
Bang-like expansion.


General explanation is the dark energy may cause things we don't know
like expansion of the Universe, because we see no other thing to
blame.

Michio Kaku explained to me in an email, that dark energy pulls, and
it is responsible for holding together our galaxy. Without dark energy
he said the galaxy would fly apart. So if it pulls, then it shouldn't
pull.

After a year of thinking I came to understand dark energy as a force
that arises in rotating galaxies. When a large volume of mass rotates,
dark energy arises and the whole structure tightens.

But no clear explanation arises, other than to suggest that the
freefall of objects are effected as the arrow of gravity in a rotating
galaxy rises toward the orbit of the galaxy, and when it builds up
as a dark energy, the rotating galaxy speeds up like a hurricane
that takes off after formation: with a lot of energy (whiring through
space turbulantly).

Happy studies.

 




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