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Last night I made observations of deep sky objects using hand-held,
20x80 binoculars. My limiting magnitude was 6.5 or better (same as on a typical 'good' night). A look at M31 and M45 was enough to convince me that this would be a good night to try for the California Nebula. So I stood on my porch, leaned my head against the side of the house for stabilizing purposes, pointed the binoculars toward the California Nebula and: Bingo! There it was! Seriously, without a filter, the California Nebula was instantly visible and absolutely unmistakable in the 20x80 binoculars. I listed it in my notes as "easy" to see -- because it was! So why was it easy? This is a bit of a mystery to me; but nearly everything I looked at was "easy" on that night. Could it be possible that my seeing the almost impossible on that night was a side effect from staring into a bright, daytime sky near the Sun a couple of days previously? Might a bit of 'extra' UV radiation to the eyes 36 hours earlier caused my eyes to become (temporarily) more sensitive to H-Beta (and perhaps other) radiation? This is a possibility that I am currently considering. I vaguely recall a similar occurrence, and similar speculation several years ago. So, speculation (or facts) anyone? I'm somewhat hesitant to repeatedly expose my eyes to UV rays 36 hours prior to deep sky observing in an effort to collect experimental data. I *do* value my eyesight! PS: After checking a chart (just now), I looks like I saw Barnard's Loop on the same night -- without even looking for it! I recall noticing the Milky Way running beside Orion. Then there was a gap followed by a narrower arc of "Milky Way" closer to Orion -- or so I passed it off at the time. I did briefly consider the possibility that I was seeing Barnard's Loop; but I was so preoccupied (at the time) with my binocular observations that I didn't bother to take the time to properly check it out. After all, some years ago I had tried to see Barnard's Loop with the unaided eye -- without success. PPS: At one point about a half dozen stealth aircraft (most likely explanation -- all things considered) passed by. All were going in the same direction; and all were widely separated from one another. Air traffic is usually all but non-existent in my sky. It was quite a night! -- Bill Celestial Journeys http://cejour.blogspot.com |
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:03:06 -0700, W. H. Greer
wrote: Last night I made observations of deep sky objects using hand-held, 20x80 binoculars. My limiting magnitude was 6.5 or better (same as on a typical 'good' night). A look at M31 and M45 was enough to convince me that this would be a good night to try for the California Nebula. So I stood on my porch, leaned my head against the side of the house for stabilizing purposes, pointed the binoculars toward the California Nebula and: Bingo! There it was! Seriously, without a filter, the California Nebula was instantly visible and absolutely unmistakable in the 20x80 binoculars. I listed it in my notes as "easy" to see -- because it was! So why was it easy? This is a bit of a mystery to me; but nearly everything I looked at was "easy" on that night. Could it be possible that my seeing the almost impossible on that night was a side effect from staring into a bright, daytime sky near the Sun a couple of days previously? Might a bit of 'extra' UV radiation to the eyes 36 hours earlier caused my eyes to become (temporarily) more sensitive to H-Beta (and perhaps other) radiation? This is a possibility that I am currently considering. I vaguely recall a similar occurrence, and similar speculation several years ago. So, speculation (or facts) anyone? I'm somewhat hesitant to repeatedly expose my eyes to UV rays 36 hours prior to deep sky observing in an effort to collect experimental data. I *do* value my eyesight! Hi Bill- It is very well established that extended exposure to bright light reduces the depth of night vision that can be reached for up to 48 hours. Pilots and others on night missions take care to utilize very dark glasses or stay inside for at least a day before. In your case, I'd guess your enhanced sensitivity has some other explanation- somewhat higher blood oxygen, extra rhodopsin from a dietary change, or some other simple physiological cause. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
So why was it easy? This is a bit of a mystery to me; but nearly everything I looked at was "easy" on that night. Why assume it was your eyes? I've seen rare nights where the transparency was simply jaw dropping. When that happens the contrast is much enhanced, for everything from nebulae to the Milky Way. Did a storm front happen to pass through lately? :-) Greg -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html To reply take out your eye |
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Why assume it was your eyes? I've seen rare nights where the transparency
was simply jaw dropping. When that happens the contrast is much enhanced, for everything from nebulae to the Milky Way. Did a storm front happen to pass through lately? :-) My sons and I have experienced just such nights a few times, and they are truly marvelous. They make for great stories/remembrances, and someday I hope that we will be able to visit someplace where this kind of observing is the norm! Dennis |
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Hi Dennis,
Dennis Woos wrote: Why assume it was your eyes? I've seen rare nights where the transparency was simply jaw dropping. When that happens the contrast is much enhanced, for everything from nebulae to the Milky Way. Did a storm front happen to pass through lately? :-) My sons and I have experienced just such nights a few times, and they are truly marvelous. They make for great stories/remembrances, and someday I hope that we will be able to visit someplace where this kind of observing is the norm! I'm fortunate to live in one of those places, but even then we get one night every year or two that makes the others seem rather unremarkable. Those are the nights I'll never forget as well. I had a view of the summer Milky Way a few years back that literally took my breath away! Greg -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html Comets: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/comets.html To reply take out your eye |
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
Why assume it was your eyes? I've seen rare nights where the transparency was simply jaw dropping. When that happens the contrast is much enhanced, for everything from nebulae to the Milky Way. Did a storm front happen to pass through lately? :-) Hi Greg, There wasn't really a storm front, just a clearing of the sky. OTOH, it snowed in the past few hours and tonight might be clear ;-) I've gotten into the habit of checking my NELM on a regular basis. I can usually make out, often with some difficulty, a 6.4 magnitude star near Polaris. Taking into account extinction with altitude, this translates into a NELM of 6.5. There have been nights were I could see 6.4 magnitude stars in Ursa Minor with greater ease; but the night in question wasn't one of those nights! As for NELM, that night was no better than my average. Yet, for faint fuzzies the night was exceptional. All things considered, I strongly suspect a physiological explanation. The only clear suspect I can think of is my brief exposure to bright sunlit sky a day and a half earlier. OTOH, on different nights I do different observing projects. I don't always look at the same objects. *Maybe* it was just the sky conditions . . . but, but, there was also an aurora visible on that night! Auroras do *not* improve the visibility of faint fuzzies. They make the sky brighter! -- Bill Celestial Journeys http://cejour.blogspot.com |
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
It is very well established that extended exposure to bright light reduces the depth of night vision that can be reached for up to 48 hours. Pilots and others on night missions take care to utilize very dark glasses or stay inside for at least a day before. In your case, I'd guess your enhanced sensitivity has some other explanation- somewhat higher blood oxygen, extra rhodopsin from a dietary change, or some other simple physiological cause. Hi Chris, I considered a dietary cause; but could think of nothing I had consumed out of the ordinary. I'll try to keep a dietary diary -- just in case. Besides, it could prove helpful in the event of less beneficial physiological changes. I'm still a bit suspicious of exposure to bright light. In my case the exposure was of short duration -- just a few minutes of actual looking at the sky (with binoculars) in the vicinity of a blocked Sun. I was indoors the rest of the time. So it was not "extended" exposure to bright light. Plus there was the 36 hour delay prior to the night session. Over a period of several years, this is the *second* time that I've had an abnormally good night after a relatively brief exposure to brighter than normal sunlight. -- Bill Celestial Journeys http://cejour.blogspot.com |
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:33:04 -0700, W. H. Greer
wrote: I'm still a bit suspicious of exposure to bright light. In my case the exposure was of short duration -- just a few minutes of actual looking at the sky (with binoculars) in the vicinity of a blocked Sun. I was indoors the rest of the time. So it was not "extended" exposure to bright light. Plus there was the 36 hour delay prior to the night session. Over a period of several years, this is the *second* time that I've had an abnormally good night after a relatively brief exposure to brighter than normal sunlight. I don't know of any mechanism that could explain enhanced scotopic vision following any kind of exposure to bright light. But there are many things about vision that are not yet fully understood. I guess I'd suggest some careful experimentation- keeping in mind that the human mind is very good at finding correlations even where none exist. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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Greg Crinklaw wrote:
Why assume it was your eyes? I've seen rare nights where the transparency was simply jaw dropping. When that happens the contrast is much enhanced, for everything from nebulae to the Milky Way. I've seen too many experienced observers report that to dismiss the phenomenon as unreal, but I can't imagine any physical explanation for it. I've never seen a really good explanation of what suboptimal transparency consists of -- I suspect that there are, in fact, numerous different factors at play. But at some level, it seems to me that it has to be related to extinction, a value that's routinely measured by professional astronomers. Rayleigh scattering places an absolute lower limit on extinction, and at good sites, the actual value's frequently not far off that absolute limit. At best, the difference between a pretty-decent night at a location like mine, in the Eastern U.S., and the theoretical limit is a matter of something like 10% at the zenith. And it's hard to see how a 10% increase in light could yield the kind of qualitative change that you're describing. - Tony Flanders |
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:03:06 -0700, W. H. Greer
wrote: Last night I made observations of deep sky objects using hand-held, 20x80 binoculars. My limiting magnitude was 6.5 or better (same as on a typical 'good' night). A look at M31 and M45 was enough to convince me that this would be a good night to try for the California Nebula. So I stood on my porch, leaned my head against the side of the house for stabilizing purposes, pointed the binoculars toward the California Nebula and: Bingo! There it was! Seriously, without a filter, the California Nebula was instantly visible and absolutely unmistakable in the 20x80 binoculars. I listed it in my notes as "easy" to see -- because it was! So why was it easy? This is a bit of a mystery to me; but nearly everything I looked at was "easy" on that night. Could it be possible that my seeing the almost impossible on that night was a side effect from staring into a bright, daytime sky near the Sun a couple of days previously? Might a bit of 'extra' UV radiation to the eyes 36 hours earlier caused my eyes to become (temporarily) more sensitive to H-Beta (and perhaps other) radiation? This is a possibility that I am currently considering. I vaguely recall a similar occurrence, and similar speculation several years ago. So, speculation (or facts) anyone? I'm somewhat hesitant to repeatedly expose my eyes to UV rays 36 hours prior to deep sky observing in an effort to collect experimental data. I *do* value my eyesight! I tend to fall on the side of arguing against this supposition. I agree with Greg -- despite Tony Flanders' doubt -- that there are nights with incredible atmospheric stillness and clarity, above and beyond the norm. I don't know how often Tony gets to work in western US high altitude skies, but out here, approximately once every couple of months (I am averaging about six observing sessions every thirty days at present) there is a really great night; and maybe once or twice a YEAR there is one that is just bewilderingly perfect, transcending all the rest. Why? I don't worry about the mechanism; I just enjoy it! Even if there is a little light pollution, on those nights that combine atmospheric steadiness with excellent transparency, very faint objects can be seen. I cannot see Barnard's Loop unless, however, there is NO light pollution AND near perfect transparency. Ditto the Witch's Head. The Horsehead is a little more forgiving; I've seen it with naked eye limiting magnitude around 5.5; but the transparency has to be splendid! The last time I really studied Leo 1 was back in 1997; and that very day, I had spent some hours outside in the brilliant sun (wearing sunglasses, of course) doing window-washing. Yet, many hours later I was able to see Leo 1 with my 8 inch scope, just a few miles south of San Jose: another incredible night with near perfect seeing, though there was no ground fog to cut off residual light from Morgan Hill, Gilroy, and San Jose. On other occasions, with more "ordinary" air, I have had less luck with this faint galaxy. One very probable reason is that light scatter in the atmosphere, around Regulus, washed out the galaxy. But I do not think that I specifically saw Leo 1 *because* of the bright sunlight I had been exposed to that day; in fact, my suspicion is that I was working at a disadvantage. I believe that Herschel tended to avoid light for a day or so before making some of his confirmatory observations with the large speculum at Slough, staying indoors and even resting his eyes as much as possible. It seems to me that somebody as intellectually curious and experimentally bold as Herschel would have tried EVERYTHING possible to give himself the best opportunity of seeing the faintest objects. He certainly did not intentionally expose himself to bright light; just the opposite! Finally, Bill: your website of drawings, and your blog, are both very interesting and valuable. I've just added them to the short list of links on my own site, which includes only a *few* very distinctive amateur astronomical websites that I have been impressed by. AstroApp |
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