GUTH Venus is way too hot for even Bad Astronomy

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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In spite of BA's infomercial gauntlets and flak of lies upon lies,
apparently Earth gets itself super cold w/o our trusty moon. Imagine
that, the regular laws of physics and I'm still right as rain. I wonder
if my observationology is also as right as those SAR images of Venus
have been suggesting for seven years and counting?

Too bad that our own nearby moon remains as so taboo/nondisclosure, so
much so that even MEL1/(moon's L1) is still off limits. I guess there's
something dark and scary out there.

I believe it's very true and open minded to accept that God, God's ETs
as his/her little minion helpers, or possibly if given hundreds of
billions of years via the purely random happenstance of cosmic energies
and fluctuations, or at least such as within our local 225 million year
galactic clock, and otherwise as due to that pesky little gravity thing
of essentially everything being in orbit about something other that's of
equal or better mass, is what could bring the likes of our solar system
into close contact of the Sirius Oort cloud (such as every 100,000 some
odd years) for a serious game of foreign DNA/RNA exchange via orbital
mechanics and lithobraking panspermia.

In somewhat better words;
Utilizing salty and otherwise icy (Sedna or Ceres like) orbs as proto
moons providing a viable means on behalf of transferring life as we know
it; Seems rather old hat, so why the hell not?

Lithopanspermia and you


http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...d4bf86bb57cb6e


http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/sc...ma ilgate.org

I have no faith based or other purely scientific or physics problems
with the likes of multi teratonne lithobraking transfers of minerals,
salty ice and of the sorts of DNA/RNA life within that cosmic ice as we
know it, abd that's even if such opportunities having been intentionally
taken advantage of by way of sufficiently intelligent ETs having a
master plan.

"Microbe experiment suggests we could all be Martians" sounds perfectly
doable.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...989431,00.html
"To their surprise, the scientists found the lichen and bacterial spores
survived all but the most cataclysmic impacts up to 45 billion pascals.
The cyanobacteria survived shocks of up to 10 billion pascals."

To honestly think a little outside the 'Earth only' box of evolution
that somehow favored none other than the human species; If much larger
than microbe/spore life as we know it were surrounded or otherwise
covered by 100 km of salty ice, whereas a Buick and passengers within
could easily have survived the transfer, especially if such mergers were
of a sucker-punch glancing blow from behind, in which case you wouldn't
even require the Buick.

"Rusty" wrote in message
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Interesting theory, but Earth with its oceans, undersea smokers,
lightning, volcanos, etc etc etc wouldn't seem to have had any trouble
forming life locally. You would think it would be the reverse and earth
may have seeded life to Mars by this method.

Lithopanspermia seems perfectly doable. After all, Earth's life was
almost entirely litho transfer based, if not intentionally terraformed
by way of ET-4H clubs in order to suit their motives and whatever weird
agenda.

Life going from Earth outward via some cosmic happenstance is a bit of a
stretch, though possible since we seem to get a few spores from Venus
each and very 19 month cycle.

Was our sun and of its solar wind more active in the past? (I'd thought
it was usually the other way around).

When did Earth get its salty oceans, its seasonal tilt, its Arctic ocean
basin and its moon that's more than a thousand fold by ratio bigger
and/or more massive by ratio than any other known moon?

Why are there intelligent human records from the end of, while during
and even a few from before the last ice age that simply fail to mention
or otherwise take into consideration that nifty GW(global warming) moon
of ours?

Why is there no verifiable hard science of Earth's environment having
that seasonal tilt or moon prior to 10,000 BC, if not a bit more recent?

Why was early/proto human life on Earth so monoseason (w/o
summer/winter)?

Why did early/proto Venus have a beard?

Why is our extremely unusual moon still so salty?

An even better question is; Why is my "Earth w/o Magnetosphere, w/o
Moon" and a few other topics excluded/banished (as "Mailgate: Message
not available" or simply getting dropped out of sight), from within the
rec.org.mensa Mailgate/Usenet index?
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Brad Guth wrote:

I believe it's very true and open minded to accept that God, God's ETs
as his/her little minion helpers, or possibly if given hundreds of
billions of years via the purely random happenstance of cosmic energies
and fluctuations, or at least such as within our local 225 million year
galactic clock, and otherwise as due to that pesky little gravity thing
of essentially everything being in orbit about something other that's of
equal or better mass, is what could bring the likes of our solar system
into close contact of the Sirius Oort cloud (such as every 100,000 some
odd years) for a serious game of foreign DNA/RNA exchange via orbital
mechanics and lithobraking panspermia.


Brad:

Those "ET's" you are referring to, I believe, are already here. They
don't
even have to wait for the Sirius Oort cloud to come into close contact
with our infamous power plant, the sun. They could simply
'hypertranslate'
an FTL vehicle to a place like Groom Lake, so why not meet them on
their
own turf? The aliens don't need our help, never did. They're only here
to steal resources, so why not strengthen our own resources - including

our defenses, in order to retaliate on the side of our Creator?

'Hypertranslation' is nothing more than creating a shared experience
with which to focus an event to occur at warp speed. That is the
means by which the ends becomes justified. The 'ends' being the
actual design of an FTL vehicle. This is adventurist, in the spirit of
DePalma's homopolar generator, becoming realised at an advanced
level. What is the advanced level? Try the quantum model introduced
by Dirac where topological spin descriptor matrices describe complex
waves in Minkowski 4-space, allowing for scalar wave technology to
define the topology of time-reversed, phase-conjugated waveforms in
4-space, i.e., 'hypertranslation'. In other words, there are one-way
bifurcations within our present worldline, but the attempt to re-enter
the same worldline in the opposite direction causes information,
i.e., memory, to be lost en transit.

The loss of memory can be attributed, I believe, to strings ending
up being tied in knots, as per the General Theory of Relativity. The
information, or memory, gets lost in the 'folds' (Calabi-Yau space),
but we are speaking only of 'surface phenomenon', that is, any
purely 'anemic' or unconscious awareness will be saved biochem-
ically, because it's only the auger electrons that are irradiated.
Besides, I thought that an envelope of white noise, circa Helmholtz,
eliminates most of the risk involved in causing kirlian resonances
with the local geodyne.

We can do it. We can fight them on their own turf, and we can
enjoy reaping the fruits of our own labors as well, why not?
And why are there the usual invalidations and obfuscations
run supreme? Those who get in the way of the wheels of
progress become crushed by its progression. Of course,
the level of any advanced civilization depends upon their
own ability to help those who are less advanced, but I believe
that because there are so many liberals in society and govern-
ment today, some *very* potential wheels of progress get lost
and eliminated by the legislating of minutia, rather than implementing
new sources of energy in order to expand and privatize a free
market economy.

The truth will prevail because the natural laws of science will
allow us to defend ourselves from the enemy, whether they
be alien, foreign, or domestic. The Promise must be made
accessible while there still is a choice to be made in a society
that still believes in a Creator.

"American" wrote in message
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Those "ET's" you are referring to, I believe, are already here. They
don't even have to wait for the Sirius Oort cloud to come into close
contact with our infamous power plant, the sun.

Our wussy sol isn't worth 1% of what heat the combined binary/trinary
Sirius star/solar system is packing. Most of the Sirius energy is
within an entirely different and more powerful spectrum to start off
with. If Sirius ever goes totally nova postal, within the next hundred
some odd years of having detected such, I do believe we're seriously
done for if the average velocity of that shockwave is nearly 10% 'c',
and the physical flak isn't all that far behind.


They could simply 'hypertranslate' an FTL vehicle to a place like
Groom Lake, so why not meet them on their own turf?

Because their own turf and of whatever FTL capability is obviously
somewhere out there, and we can't even so much as call one square meter
of our moon as ours to do whatever with. I really don't think it's a
fair contest.


The aliens don't need our help, never did. They're only here to steal
resources, so why not strengthen our own resources - including

our defenses, in order to retaliate on the side of our Creator?

I agree, that we should start off by either learning all that we can, or
else if need be resort as to kicking our fair share of those nearby if
not local ET butts. I take it you know of our resident "tomcat" that
seems to know we're going to be in for one hell of a fight, especially
once we confront these ETs and proceed to put our two LLPOF left feet in
our mouth (pretty much as we've done with our ongoing Islamic/Muslim
fiasco).


We can do it. We can fight them on their own turf, and we can
enjoy reaping the fruits of our own labors as well, why not?

I can't think of any good reasons why not, other than we might first try
being nice and a little more honest for a change, especially if those
ETs have been smart enough to have been coexisting upon Venus as they
have proceeded to take all the local resources they can. Obviously if
ETs are in fact doing what we think, it might be a good idea as to try a
little diplomacy before we try going postal.


The truth will prevail because the natural laws of science will
allow us to defend ourselves from the enemy, whether they
be alien, foreign, or domestic. The Promise must be made
accessible while there still is a choice to be made in a society
that still believes in a Creator.

Sorry to say, the truth for the most part hasn't prevailed above all of
their cult like hypology and of infomercial skewed history, or from that
of their conditional laws of physics and that nasty little method of
our's to provoke until it justifies our going to war first policy, and
as such this ongoing lack of truth has only gotten us into deeper
troubles than we can imagine.

Too bad we're still not smart enough to even accomplish our nearby
MEL1/moon L1. Therefore, what slim chance in hell have we against those
having come and gone at will from Venus? (I'd say at best it's less than
zilch)
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Brad Guth


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