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Thus spake "John (Liberty) Bell"
Oh No wrote: Thus spake " What puzzles me here is that your anomalous acceleration is independent of the craft speed. If the craft were sitting at a fixed location with neither radial nor tangential velocity (e.g. station keeping with a solar sail), this implies you would still get a downlink frequency shift which increased linearly with time for a constant uplink frequency and it would also be independent of distance (as is observed) hence should apply to short range measurements over some spread of distance resolution. This equates to a question I asked earlier at sci.physics.research under a different title. You appear to be predicting a continuously increasing (observed) frequency for this probe, if stationary. If you integrate this predicted increase over, say, the age of the Earth, you find that everything that wasn't 'nailed down' from the outset, should be displaying huge blue shifts by now. Why have we not observed that? You did not answer that question then, and I can't see that you have answered it here either. I would dearly like to believe Oz's assertion that your theory is self consistent, but with unresolved inconsistencies such as the above, I find it impossible to do so. The answer to this question is in three parts. Firstly, for local stars we are looking at orbital motion in the Milky Way. The anomalous acceleration then shows up as an illusory increase orbital motion, not as a Doppler drift. The illusory motion is indeed quite substantial - c61km/s out of 220km/s. But it applies equally to the sun as to other stars, so that the illusory relative motion is much smaller, less than 1km/s for a star with an orbit within 200pc of the solar orbit. This is rather less than differences due to random variations in orbit, c10-20km/s, so it would be difficult to observe. It is of the right order of magnitude to explain anomalous parallax difference in Hipparcos, but that calculation is itself more complicated than I had thought so I will be taking my time over it. Secondly, for galaxies outside the local group the illusory motion shows up as a change to recession velocities due to expansion. Again this is quite substantial. I have it that the universe is expanding at half the currently accepted rate. Problem here is that we have no direct way to measure distance, and rely on the distance-redshift relation. The normal way to check this requires "standard candles", i.e. supernovae SN Ia. The observed magnitude, m, of each supernova is one measure of distance, red shift, z, is another measure of distance. By plotting the m-z relation we can compare the predictions of a given model to observation, and identify cosmological parameters. This is how the currently accepted concordance model with Omega~0.28 Omega_Lambda~0.72 is found. I have calculated the m-z relation in the teleconnection model and find that for a closed universe with Lambda=0 the fit with Omega~1.89, is slightly better than that of the concordance model. However the difference between the curves is very small. The weighting in favour of the teleconnection model is no more than about 65:55 from the combined Riess and Astier data sets. More data is required, particularly from supernova with z1.5. There is a project on the drawing board (SNAP) to find substantial numbers (1000s) of supernovae at redshifts up to z=2, which should be able to distinguish (barring systematic errors) but we are probably about 15yrs from getting any results. Finally, the prediction for anomalous (illusory) motion is that it takes place between measured states of position. If we can do a direct measurement of position (not involving Doppler or other wave function effects) this should cause wave function collapse and renormalise the quantum theory, resetting any doppler drift back to zero in the process. This would induce an apparent jump in motion as Pioneer, for example, would then be measured to be exactly where it ought to be neglecting illusory motion. Although we do not appear to have any means to measure position of Pioneer directly, over the large time scales you suggest, if it were possible to monitor Pioneer, I think at some times it would be possible to measure position to measure position to a degree of accuracy which would reveal these jumps (e.g. ranging to some level of accuracy would be possible, perhaps using the method you suggested, notwithstanding unknown response times on Pioneer). This last part of the explanation is possibly the most significant to your question, since it is in these apparent jumps in motion that the inconsistency is resolved. It would certainly be helpful to the teleconnection model if such jumps in motion could be found. In respect of Pioneer it seems to me that a new mission will be required to test this part of the theory. In respect of the rotation of the Milky way one also expects apparent jumps in motion, as the true rotation of the galaxy can potentially be measured directly over sufficient time scales. It is possible that this has actually been observed in VLBI observations of IM Pegasi, whose position was observed to jump by 2/3 its diameter over a period of one hour. http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cgi...10.1086/312026 Apparently three or four such events have been observed in the motion of IM Pegasi, but publication is not due till April next year. I am hoping that at that time enough data may be provided for analysis. If the teleconnection model is correct then improved observations over the next 15-20 years should reveal similar jumps in other stars. Milliarcsecond Change of IM Pegasi Radio Position in 1 Hour Coincident with Sharp Rise in Flux Density Author(s) D. E. Lebach, M. I. Ratner, I. I. Shapiro, R. R. Ransom, M. F. Bietenholz, N. Bartel, and J.-F. Lestrade Identifiers The Astrophysical Journal, volume 517, part 2 (1999), pages L43â~@~SL46 DOI: 10.1086/312026 Bibcode: 1999ApJ...517L..43L Abstract: Continuum VLBI observations at 3.6 cm of the RS CVn binary star IM Pegasi (HR 8703) for 16 hr beginning on 1997 January 16 revealed an apparent motion of the star's radio position that coincided temporally with a large relative change in its flux density. Specifically, a rise in flux density from 18 to 46 mJy in 1.4 hr coincided with a detected position change over that interval of (, )=(-0.68±0.15, 0.55±0.20) mas. The magnitude of this position change is much larger than can be explained by parallax, proper motion, and orbital motion and is about two-thirds the estimated angular diameter of the primary component of the binary. Regards -- Charles Francis substitute charles for NotI to email |
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