No Perfect Balance

There can be no perfect balances of forces. Lets go with gravity
and angular motion of the solar system. With great luck objects are
captured and find a mutual gravity point and revolve around each other.
Earth Sun,and Earth Moon . We think are in perfect balance. Not so.
There was a spacetime when the Moon was only 25,000 miles away. Now that
is 10 times closer than it is today. What that tells me is the energy
of angular motion is slightly stronger than gravity. That lots of stuff
was much closer to each other,and the solar system had more density. Now
with lesser density stuff is moving away from each other at a faster
rate.(Gravity weakens with distance) Lets take this idea all
the way out to our 10th planet. It is 3 times further from the Sun than
Pluto and it circles the Sun. However when we can take very accurate
distance we will find over time it is moving away from the Sun at a very
noticeable rate. What is my post telling? Its that structures in
orbit are making their orbits larger as I type. Solar systems are losing
density,and growing larger. Galaxies the same thing. The universe the
same thing. The Macro world is growing in size,and loosing density.
This begs the question. Is the micro world doing relatively the same
thing? Bert

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
There can be no perfect balances of forces. Lets go with gravity
and angular motion of the solar system. With great luck objects are
captured and find a mutual gravity point and revolve around each other.
Earth Sun,and Earth Moon . We think are in perfect balance. Not so.
There was a spacetime when the Moon was only 25,000 miles away. Now that
is 10 times closer than it is today. What that tells me is the energy
of angular motion is slightly stronger than gravity. That lots of stuff
was much closer to each other,and the solar system had more density. Now
with lesser density stuff is moving away from each other at a faster
rate.(Gravity weakens with distance) Lets take this idea all
the way out to our 10th planet. It is 3 times further from the Sun than
Pluto and it circles the Sun. However when we can take very accurate
distance we will find over time it is moving away from the Sun at a very
noticeable rate. What is my post telling? Its that structures in
orbit are making their orbits larger as I type. Solar systems are losing
density,and growing larger. Galaxies the same thing. The universe the
same thing. The Macro world is growing in size,and loosing density.
This begs the question. Is the micro world doing relatively the same
thing? Bert


Bert,

When moons revolve around their planet slower than the planet rotates,
angular momentum is transferred from the planet to the moons and they
move further away as the planet slows down. When moons revolve around
a planet faster than a planet rotates, then the planet's rotation will
speed up as the moons move closer. It's all done though the action of
tidal forces.

The Sun rotates faster than the planets revolve, so I would think there
should be some tendency for the planets to move further out, but I
think the effect is small.

You cannot generalize that all bodies in orbit are moving further out.

Double-A

In article .com,
"Double-A" wrote:

When moons revolve around their planet slower than the planet rotates,
angular momentum is transferred from the planet to the moons and they
move further away as the planet slows down. When moons revolve around
a planet faster than a planet rotates, then the planet's rotation will
speed up as the moons move closer. It's all done though the action of
tidal forces.

The Sun rotates faster than the planets revolve, so I would think there
should be some tendency for the planets to move further out, but I
think the effect is small.

Very small indeed. IIANM tidal effects are proportional to the cube of
the distance; that's why the Moon has the dominant influence on our
oceanic tides, despite the much stronger gravity of the Sun. Note that
none of the planets from here outward exhibit any resonance between
their orbital and rotational periods.

The Sun is not a rigid body, and I don't think it's heterogeneous enough
to have anything like the "mascons" that help tie the Earth and Moon, so
it's unclear to me how it would be able to transfer angular momentum to
a planet, even as near as Mercury. I guess the surface rotation around
the bulge at the solar equator would produce the strongest tidal
effects, but these would be weakened by 'competing' rotational rates
from other latitudes & depths, and by turbulent flow.

--
Odysseus

nightbat wrote

Odysseus wrote:

In article .com,
"Double-A" wrote:

When moons revolve around their planet slower than the planet rotates,
angular momentum is transferred from the planet to the moons and they
move further away as the planet slows down. When moons revolve around
a planet faster than a planet rotates, then the planet's rotation will
speed up as the moons move closer. It's all done though the action of
tidal forces.

The Sun rotates faster than the planets revolve, so I would think there
should be some tendency for the planets to move further out, but I
think the effect is small.


Very small indeed. IIANM tidal effects are proportional to the cube of
the distance; that's why the Moon has the dominant influence on our
oceanic tides, despite the much stronger gravity of the Sun. Note that
none of the planets from here outward exhibit any resonance between
their orbital and rotational periods.

The Sun is not a rigid body, and I don't think it's heterogeneous enough
to have anything like the "mascons" that help tie the Earth and Moon, so
it's unclear to me how it would be able to transfer angular momentum to
a planet, even as near as Mercury. I guess the surface rotation around
the bulge at the solar equator would produce the strongest tidal
effects, but these would be weakened by 'competing' rotational rates
from other latitudes & depths, and by turbulent flow.

nightbat

Very very good this Odysseus is being Captain nominated for
cadet status overwhelmingly. Officer Double-A congratulations for always
bringing out the best in loyal science group posters. Please continue
this excellent discussion and Odysseus elevation to preliminary elite
rank nomination duly log noted.

carry on,
the nightbat

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
...
There can be no perfect balances of forces. Lets go with gravity
and angular motion of the solar system. With great luck objects are
captured and find a mutual gravity point and revolve around each other.
Earth Sun,and Earth Moon . We think are in perfect balance. Not so.
There was a spacetime when the Moon was only 25,000 miles away. Now that
is 10 times closer than it is today. What that tells me is the energy
of angular motion is slightly stronger than gravity. That lots of stuff
was much closer to each other,and the solar system had more density. Now
with lesser density stuff is moving away from each other at a faster
rate.(Gravity weakens with distance) Lets take this idea all
the way out to our 10th planet. It is 3 times further from the Sun than
Pluto and it circles the Sun. However when we can take very accurate
distance we will find over time it is moving away from the Sun at a very
noticeable rate. What is my post telling? Its that structures in
orbit are making their orbits larger as I type. Solar systems are losing
density,and growing larger. Galaxies the same thing. The universe the
same thing. The Macro world is growing in size,and loosing density.
This begs the question. Is the micro world doing relatively the same
thing? Bert

Say, Beert, could it just be that the moon, over the past 4B years, acting
as Earth's vacuum cleaner, has accumulated a whole lot of space debris, thus
adding to its overall mass and increasing its centrifugal escape force to
the point where it recedes at 2.7 cm (or is it inches?) annually. You say
"what about the Earth"?? Well, most of the debris entering the Earth's
gravitational grasp will eventually burn up, upon entry of the atmosphere,
greatly reducing the amount of mass actually making it to the surface.

On the other hand, Mars at one time had 4 moons, two of which have already
spiraled into the planet and one of the two remaining ones is due to follow
in a few million years, a blink of the eye, in geological terms.

The latest calculations indicate that Mercury is on a slow drift towards the
Sun. However, the movement is so minute, that it'll never get there.
Rather, the Sun will reach it first, when it starts expanding outwards on
its way to Red Giant status, in about 5 - 6 B years hence.

nightbat wrote

G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
nightbat You are killing my ego Don't I get any praise? Double-A and
Odysseus came back with a part of my "Spin is in theory" (Nobel theory)
Best to keep in mind what appears like space pushing galaxies apart
might very well be the area of the very far out fringe of the universe
is spinning faster and faster and in this expanding area increasing its
strength much stronger than gravity. One could have a theory rotational
speed increases with distance relative to gravity weakening with
distance. I could put that down as another of natures balancing acts.
It fits Bert


nightbat

The Captain's job Officer Bert is to help maintain order and
boost egos when appropriate not sci fi mislead like some other
mainstream astro scientists we will not name. Your " Spin is In " theory
is correct only not how you are initially interpreting it. The
background field is the driving engine that Officer oc promoted and
donut configuration Wolter theoretically deduced. The field itself
presently is always in a state of kinetic potential displacement due to
non-uniform momentum state.

Our profound Maverick friends Newton and Einstein were clever but could
not deduce something that comparatively has never existed in our human
spacetimes ever. The missing frame of pure uniform momentum energy.

How is Ruth please send her my love?

ponder on,
the nightbat

In article , G=EMC^2
Glazier wrote:

nightbat You are killing my ego Don't I get any praise? Double-A and
Odysseus came back with a part of my "Spin is in theory" (Nobel theory)
Best to keep in mind what appears like space pushing galaxies apart
might very well be the area of the very far out fringe of the universe
is spinning faster and faster and in this expanding area increasing its
strength much stronger than gravity. One could have a theory rotational
speed increases with distance relative to gravity weakening with
distance. I could put that down as another of natures balancing acts.
It fits Bert

You are truly ****ing clueless.



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Hagar the Moon and Earth gaining mass going through space is a given.
But lets not forget increase in their mass is also an increase on their
mutual gravitational force. Still you could still have a good point
here,for the Moon is moving away from the Earth as I type. My increase
orbit size of planets ,Moons and all orbiting stuff comes from the fact
that once in orbit it is easier to fall away then to fall in (Takes less
energy) . Hagar that was not so horrible was it. Always think this
"IF you don't like me don't read me..If you like or dislike my post
discuss them as if they were written by your mother. Beert An extra
"E" fits when I'm drinking Bud(Like now) "CHEERS" Beert

nightbat Just came back from the Tandem house rehab,and put her star cap
on her head. She is being force feed. She is now in a little pain,and
that is my biggest fear. She loved your cap and wore it often,but now
she can't see or feel it on her head. She has stayed alive to show me
what I must do month'[s before the end. No one will clean my ****. No
one will force feed me. No one has to worry about my spacetime I know
what haS TO BE DONE

My mother would never write the crap that you do, BEERTbrain!

Saul Levy


On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:50:02 -0400, (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

Hagar the Moon and Earth gaining mass going through space is a given.
But lets not forget increase in their mass is also an increase on their
mutual gravitational force. Still you could still have a good point
here,for the Moon is moving away from the Earth as I type. My increase
orbit size of planets ,Moons and all orbiting stuff comes from the fact
that once in orbit it is easier to fall away then to fall in (Takes less
energy) . Hagar that was not so horrible was it. Always think this
"IF you don't like me don't read me..If you like or dislike my post
discuss them as if they were written by your mother. Beert An extra
"E" fits when I'm drinking Bud(Like now) "CHEERS" Beert