Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth

Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6
composite images as having been officially processed for delivering to
us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our
investigative pleasure, whereas thus far such images are showing a
semi-thermal gradient ratio of .075 to 0.5, as representing a 6.67:1
ratio from the fully solar illuminated side to significant portions of
the nighttime atmospheric season as being considerably cooler.
Actually, some of the coolest zones are not worth 0.05, thus we're
talking 10:1 as being the maximum differential, that which doesn't
surprise myself one bit.

It's the transitions from daytime to tighttime and of the polar vortex
patterns that are the most reveiling.

In addition to whatever's of an unavoidably extra toasty atmospheric
season of daytime, as false colour depicted and as otherwise expected
it seems the much cooler nighttime season is covering a considerably
greater percentage of that atmospheric environment by something near
15%, with a great deal of thermal energy extraction taking place at the
poles. Since these images are a composite of UV through near-IR is why
there's no specific thermal gradient involved, other than the afforded
by the observed differential that's as great as 10:1 as based upon the
graphic scale included with each image. The actual thermal range of
daytime/nighttime differentials will likely soon follow unless FW
Taylor desides otherwise.

http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=...le=y &start=5
"The images (taken at 5 microns) were obtained at six different time
slots and different distances from Venus (top left: 12 April, from 210
000 kilometres; top cent 13 April, from 280 000 kilometres; top
right: 14 April, from 315 000 kilometres; bottom left:16 April, from
315 000 kilometres; bottom cent 17 April, from 270 000 kilometres;
bottom right: 19 April, from 190 000 kilometres), while the spacecraft
moved along a long ellipse around the planet. The separate images can
be downloaded here [ COB_01_geo.TIF, COB_02_geo.TIF, COB_03_geo.TIF,
COB_04_geo.TIF, COB_05_geo.TIF, COB_06_geo.TIF]."

BTW; there is also an interesting little item of less than one degree
that's seemingly operating above the cloud layer of that planet, that's
depicted as somehow much cooler than the surrounding atmosphere, being
too large for any artificial satellite that we could possibly have
accomplished. It's existing as though operating just above the equator
and near the 20 degree mark. Because it's within 6 out of 6 images, as
such I doubt that it's of an imaging glitch.
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Brad Guth

HG LINDBERG wrote:
Here is some Venus images taken from Old Earth, how needs a spaceship )
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm

h-g
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David Haworth,
Your April 18 and 19, 2006 images of Venus is impressive, as it's
showing the rest of us village idiots that the very interesting little
item as imaged by Venus EXPRESS that's not actually so physically
little, as cruising near the equator but clearly above the cloud deck,
is looking directly at good old mother Earth. Imagine that?
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060418.htm
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060419.htm

I also like your Venus and moon shots that goes to further prove that
even the limited DR of the NASA/Apollo unfiltered Kodak film wouldn't
have had any problems whatsoever if having included the likes of Venus,
as unavoidably situated above the physically dark(0.07 albedo) and
otherwise nasty moon of ours.

Your "2002 May 19 Nikon Coolpix 990 Digital Camera Image of Gemini,
Jupiter, Moon, Venus & Mars" as all within the same frame and exposure
is also quite impressive.

Got any idea why it's taking the ESA Venus EXPRESS team better than 2.5
months to process those terrific images? I tend to wonder as to what
other images they're not sharing with us.

Got anything of the Sirius star system in color, that which can be
composite placed side by side along with an identical exposure taken of
our moon?

BTW; "how needs a spaceship" ? (me too, as a rigid airship that the
likes of "tomcat" or perhaps China's aerospace will help engineer and
build for us, though I wouldn't discount India).
-
Brad Guth

Brad Guth wrote:

Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6
composite images as having been officially processed

So much for your whining about data suppression, kook.

for delivering to
us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our
investigative pleasure, whereas thus far such images are showing a
semi-thermal gradient ratio of .075 to 0.5, as representing a 6.67:1
ratio from the fully solar illuminated side to significant portions of
the nighttime atmospheric season as being considerably cooler.
Actually, some of the coolest zones are not worth 0.05, thus we're
talking 10:1 as being the maximum differential, that which doesn't
surprise myself one bit.

Translation: Brad hasn't had time overprocess any digital images to
reveal the alien dirigibles yet.

It's the transitions from daytime to tighttime and of the polar vortex
patterns that are the most reveiling.

In addition to whatever's of an unavoidably extra toasty atmospheric
season of daytime, as false colour depicted and as otherwise expected
it seems the much cooler nighttime season is covering a considerably
greater FLUSH

So, no cities visible, Brad?

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Brad Guth wrote:

HG LINDBERG wrote:
Here is some Venus images taken from Old Earth, how needs a spaceship )
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm

h-g
"Brad Guth" skrev i meddelandet
oups.com...

David Haworth,
Your April 18 and 19, 2006 images of Venus is impressive, as it's
showing the rest of us village idiots that the very interesting little
item as imaged by Venus EXPRESS that's not actually so physically
little, as cruising near the equator but clearly above the cloud deck,
is looking directly at good old mother Earth. Imagine that?

That you are a kook? No imagination is needed, Brad.

http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060418.htm
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060419.htm

I also like your Venus and moon shots that goes to further prove that
even the limited DR of the NASA/Apollo unfiltered Kodak film wouldn't
have had any problems whatsoever if having included the likes of Venus,
as unavoidably situated above the physically dark(0.07 albedo) and
otherwise nasty moon of ours.

Just put down the keyboard and walk away, Brad.

Your "2002 May 19 Nikon Coolpix 990 Digital Camera Image of Gemini,
Jupiter, Moon, Venus & Mars" as all within the same frame and exposure
is also quite impressive.

Got any idea why it's taking the ESA Venus EXPRESS team better than 2.5
months to process those terrific images? I tend to wonder as to what
other images they're not sharing with us.

Oh, already back to the data suppression kooktheory.

Got anything of the Sirius star system in color, that which can be
composite placed side by side along with an identical exposure taken of
our moon?

After that, you can put a photo of P.T. Barnam with an identical
exposure in between the Moon and Sirius.

BTW; "how needs a spaceship" ? (me too, as a rigid airship that the
likes of "tomcat" or perhaps China's aerospace will help engineer and
build for us, though I wouldn't discount India).

When do you leave for Venus, Brad?
-
Brad Guth


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as designated by Brad Guth

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
-- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
-- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
-- Double-A on technology development

Brad Guth wrote:
Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6
composite images as having been officially processed for delivering to
us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our
investigative pleasure...

Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth;
two out of three ain't bad.


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I'm one of those village idiots expecting to see new science about
Venus as extensively being that of a geothermally impacted environment,
with the secondary affects being that of the atmospheric conditions
keeping the lid on much of that geothermal energy, plus unavoidably
having the solar energy influx that's as great as 2650 watts/m2 as a
contributing factor to the situation. I'm also expecting to see the
differential of the day/night energy balance as being in favor of
allowing more of the thermal energy to escape than not, thereby
allowing for the gradual cooling process of a planet that's of a newer
planetology study than previously thought possible.

Long before Venus EXPRESS, other's within team KECK had speculated as
to a significant energy imbalance, even having imaged the rather
extensive layer of oxygen that covers a significant portion of the
nighttime season, giving indications as to allowing for the cooling of
Venus, which means that either Venus is a relatively newish planet that
our solar system has acquired, or that it's a recovering planet from
being seriously impacted by some of the heaviest of meteor/asteroid
substances, with a remote third possibility of there being something
thermal nuclear involved.

It is highly probable that Venus is the best ever gold mine of minerals
and rare elements that are being made so easily accessible and
otherwise kept safely available as cloaked by the mostly clean and
obviously toasty dry CO2 layer of a very buoyant and protective
atmosphere. As such Earth sized planets go, the access to/from that
nighttime surface is by far the least technically challenging (meaning
that it's much easier than having to accomplish a similar task upon
Earth), and you certainly don't have to pack along much of any spare
energy for the task of sustaining such operations, processing and the
exporting of whatever substances.

Just by having such locally available resources of energy and that of
an environment that's so well shielded against solar and cosmic
radiation alone is simply the best possible news of what any such
accessible and nearby planet can offer, although with a 0.905 gravity
factor and having 65+kg/m3 of buoyancy to work with is certainly an
extra thick amount of icing on the cake.

Anytime you've got less gravity and a thicker atmosphere to work with,
as such it's technically a win-win situation for getting whatever
to/from that planet.

Anytime you don't have to pack along large amounts of physical
shielding is obviously going to be another positive mission
consideration that's worth a whole lot more than most critics are
willing to admit.

Anytime the local environment can provide megajoules, gigajoules and
even if need be terajoules of spare and renewable energy (that's
squeaky clean none the less), is an absolute multiple win-win on behalf
of just about everything imaginable.

If there's any ongoing question as to what's a seriously big mystery,
is that it's certainly not well understood nor obviously having been
appreciated as to why or how visiting ETs or locals couldn't have made
a go of it, as you'd have to be an absolute heathen of a dumbfounded
moron to not have taken advantage of what's so easily available.

This isn't to say that doing Venus is not a technically demanding
quest, especially if to be insisting upon someday going there in person
is obviously adding loads of insults to whatever injury of what
robotics would require. However, with local energy already being there
to behold, as such there's almost nothing that can not be surmounted on
behalf of accommodating our frail bodies that obviously can not
necessarily take the heat (especially by the season of daytime or
anywhere within volcanic mud/lava flows should be taboo), but otherwise
we can get ourselves adapted to the pressure. With an implanted sinus
shunt for improved intra cranial pressure (ICP) equalizing, it's
possible as to adapt ourselves to the changes in elevation pressure
that's worth as much as 4+ bar/km. Converting CO2--CO/O2 is just a
matter of applying energy for accomplishing that task (at that great
pressure our biological need for O2 might drop to 1% if the remainder
can be composed of H2). Accessing and thus extracting H2O from those
acidic nighttime clouds is simply another matter of applied physics and
utilizing well proven science, although surface mud flows should also
provide a viable resource of H2O, although perhaps bringing along a few
spare tonnes of H2O might not be such a bad idea for the first effort.

Of course, as already taking place (including efforts to terminate my
PC), you'll unavoidably take notice as to the usual topic/author
stalking, bashings and if possible the efforts of banishment upon any
honest topic that's related to the truth about planets and moons
(especially including Earth and of our moon), as being their Usenet
norm or mainstream status quo or bust criteria that's typically focused
upon being as anti-ET and as anti-truth as they can manage. The trick
is to pay little or no attention to their obvious levels of incest
mindset that only goes to prove, of what others and I have had to offer
is worth their attention.

Would the rest of you folks like to discuss the positive and thus
constructive possibilities, rather than join the gauntlet of flak
that's doing all it can in order to suppress whatever rocks thy boat?
-
Brad Guth

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:29:19 -0400, mike flugennock
wrote:

Brad Guth wrote:

....Who cares?

Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth;
two out of three ain't bad.

....Mike, you know better than to respond to Guthball. Just killfile
the willingly molested troll and put him out of our misery. PLEASE.

OM
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OM wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:29:19 -0400, mike flugennock
wrote:

...Who cares?

Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth;
two out of three ain't bad.

...Mike, you know better than to respond to Guthball. Just killfile
the willingly molested troll and put him out of our misery. PLEASE.

The sticking of one's mainstream infomercial saturated head into the
nearest disinformation-R-us space-toilet of your mainstream status quo
or bust mindset, that's otherwise badly overflowing with all of your
naysayism on a stick, isn't going to work, now is it?

Venus has been very much so alive and certainly worth our discussing
the options that are available to those few of us that are still able
to think clearly outside the box. God forbid, you should try it
sometime.
-
Brad Guth

We see that our warm and fuzzy Art Deco has absolutely no problems with
trashing ESA's Venus EXPRESS. Another Jewish thing that's obviously
coded into his incest DNA.
-
Brad Guth

As rather oddly posted under "The Paranormal & Ghost Society", thereby
seemingly hocus-pocus to start off with; I tend to believe this
article is 100% of ongoing damage control, of efforts to exclude or
otherwise foil the most critical aspects of thermal and composition
readings of what the Venus EXPRESS mission was all about.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9123
Mirror jams on Venus Express spacecraft

There's nothing that's actually official from ESA as to any such "stuck
mirror". There's not even so much as an official link posted of
anything that's specifically derived from team 'Venus EXPRESS' that
reinforces this article as published by NEW SCIENTIST and copied by all
others, that's essentially as space.com owned and otherwise totally
controlled and/or moderated to death by the very same individuals that
are deeply invested into supporting everything that's NASA. It's as
though the PFS instrument manufacture is remaining as stealth as were
all of those supposed Iraqi WMD and the likes of Usama bin Laden.

NewScientist.com news service and the likes of Kelly Young are of
nothing but brown-nosed minions to the status quo, thus born-again
liars and of what's otherwise intellectually worse off than any Third
Reich. Their "disclaimer" as having been "Published by Reed Business
Information Limited" is basically nothing but another ruse from their
side of the pond.

New Scientist Limitation of liability:
"To the full extent permissible by law Reed Business information
Limited shall have no liability for any damage or loss (including,
without limitation, financial loss, loss of profits, loss of business
or any indirect or consequential loss), however it arises, resulting
from the use of or inability to use this website or any material
appearing on it or from any action or decision taken as a result of
using the website or any such material."

This basically means or represents that they can essentially publish
absolutely anything they damn well feel like, and no matters what can
not be held responsible in any way. (sounds exactly like Dick Cheney,
GW Bush and company)

BAA hasn't established what if anything the supposed PFS "stuck mirror"
that still offers us no official mechanical or any other documentation
as released from their Venus EXPRESS engineering and technical
applications team, as having to do with extracting specific pixel by
pixel thermal information from the ongoing thermal imaging process,
whereas as at worse it reduces specific target thermal resolution and
makes their imaging task somewhat less productive than what could
otherwise help in pinpointing those unusual thermal signatures of
specific geothermal hot spots. As such, it doesn't otherwise restrict
the greater capability of having established the thermal scale and
diversity that can still be sufficiently extrapolated, as to obtaining
the greater science from their recording of the mostly nighttime season
of atmospheric and cloud thermal differentials.

"PFS is designed to measure the chemical composition and temperature of
the atmosphere of Venus. It is also able to measure surface
temperature, and so search for signs of volcanic activity."

Unfortunately, it's rather technically so much easier to merely exclude
science by shutting down a given instrument reading from any given
mission if deemed appropriate by those encharge, and it certainly
wouldn't be the first nor the last time such moderation or scientific
instrument exclusion tactics have been employed. As for otherwise we'd
have been given the full mechanical specifications and drawings of that
mirror portion of their PFS instrument, so as to better appreciate as
to exactly how such absolute fools could have accomplished such an
obvious R&D error, as to foil such a primary part of their entire
mission.

With the very same PFS instrument onboard their Mars EXPRESS:
"The 'pendulum motor', used to drive various elements in the instrument
optics, was shown to be at fault. The recovery was made possible
through using internal instrument redundancy."
Yet nothing of any such specific instrument internal drawings or other
considerations given for the much newer Venus EXPRESS PSF effort, that
you'd think should have had whatever instrument revisions/upgrades
applied. Therefore, the best available surface temperature reading
capability is supposedly unable to comply to it's own standards, much
less accommodate the team effort as to what's most important about the
entire mission.

Oddly, the official ESA Venus EXPRESS "Status Reports" still have
nothing much to say about any supposed "stuck mirror". However, all
else is operating according to spec, as though the PFS instrument never
existed in the first place.
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Brad Guth