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For any of you with an interest in Solar Power Satellite (SPS, or SSPS)
concepts, I finally received NASA Technical Memorandum copies of my papers "Reinventing the Solar Power Satellite" and "Peak Power Markets for Satellite Solar Power" from the Houston IAF Congress. (actually, they arrived in February, but I was out of town until now). It's NASA TM-2004-212743 If anybody wants a copy, let me know and I'll drop one in the mail. |
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Geoffrey A. Landis wrote:
For any of you with an interest in Solar Power Satellite (SPS, or SSPS) concepts, I finally received NASA Technical Memorandum copies of my papers "Reinventing the Solar Power Satellite" and "Peak Power Markets for Satellite Solar Power" from the Houston IAF Congress... NASA TM-2004-212743 Or, for those who prefer electrons, I realized it's available on the Glenn server as a PDF file: http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GLTRS/ browse.pl?2004/TM-2004-212743.html -- Geoffrey A. Landis http://www.sff.net/people/geoffrey.landis |
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Geoffrey A. Landis wrote:
Geoffrey A. Landis wrote: For any of you with an interest in Solar Power Satellite (SPS, or SSPS) concepts, I finally received NASA Technical Memorandum copies of my papers "Reinventing the Solar Power Satellite" and "Peak Power Markets for Satellite Solar Power" from the Houston IAF Congress... NASA TM-2004-212743 Or, for those who prefer electrons, I realized it's available on the Glenn server as a PDF file: http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GLTRS/ browse.pl?2004/TM-2004-212743.html As I understand it, your SPS plan is predicated on ground solar cells supplementing around local noon the SPS's peak power generating times at 0900 and 1600. The SPS transmits its power to the ground solar installation, which also would have rectennas to capture the microwave beamed energy. That's an interesting idea, but perhaps I'm missing something. Why beam microwaves at all? You have a perfectly good ground solar installation, and according to Henry Spencer PV cells are fairly efficient (~50%) if the wavelength is well matched to the type of cell, so a space-based dichroic mirror array might be an equally valid form of power beaming to the ground while reducing terrestrial heating as compared to a simple mirror. The design would likely look like the dihedral array in figure 9, albeit with the dihedral pointing in the opposite direction to bounce light to the ground installation. Eliminating the microwave transmitters would reduce orbital mass while reducing ground-based cost by doing away with rectennas, not to mention calming public fears about RF leakage outside the ground receptors. Comments? Francois. |
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![]() Geoffrey A. Landis wrote: For any of you with an interest in Solar Power Satellite (SPS, or SSPS) concepts, I finally received NASA Technical Memorandum copies of my papers "Reinventing the Solar Power Satellite" and "Peak Power Markets for Satellite Solar Power" from the Houston IAF Congress. (actually, they arrived in February, but I was out of town until now). It's NASA TM-2004-212743 If anybody wants a copy, let me know and I'll drop one in the mail. I'd like copies. Spacing out my e-mail, hoping to thwart spam-bots: h o p d @ c u n e w s . i n f o Hope you will put these papers on the web as you have some of your other papers. -- Hop David http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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![]() If anybody wants a copy, let me know and I'll drop one in the mail. Put me on the list, please. GEA |
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I was wondering if you worked out how high the price of oil has to be in
order for an SPS project to be profitable. "Geoffrey A. Landis" wrote in message ... For any of you with an interest in Solar Power Satellite (SPS, or SSPS) concepts, I finally received NASA Technical Memorandum copies of my papers "Reinventing the Solar Power Satellite" and "Peak Power Markets for Satellite Solar Power" from the Houston IAF Congress. (actually, they arrived in February, but I was out of town until now). It's NASA TM-2004-212743 If anybody wants a copy, let me know and I'll drop one in the mail. |
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Robert Lee wrote:
I was wondering if you worked out how high the price of oil has to be in order for an SPS project to be profitable. This is going to be as contraversial as the Drake equation. There are so many possible variables. What do you pick for launch cost? Is it $6000/Kg, or $30/Kg launched by some sort of tether. Are you using near-term 200W/Kg solar panels, or are you assuming thin-film manufacturing breakthroughs, solar-dynamic, or... What is the size of the recieving arrays, how close are they together, how big are they, can you use the land under them, do you need to keep aeroplanes out, ...... All of these are variables. It's quite easy to generate numbers that vary by a factor of at least a thousand. |
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Ian Stirling wrote in message ...
Robert Lee wrote: I was wondering if you worked out how high the price of oil has to be in order for an SPS project to be profitable. This is going to be as contraversial as the Drake equation. There are so many possible variables. What do you pick for launch cost? Is it $6000/Kg, or $30/Kg launched by some sort of tether. Are you using near-term 200W/Kg solar panels, or are you assuming thin-film manufacturing breakthroughs, solar-dynamic, or... What is the size of the recieving arrays, how close are they together, how big are they, can you use the land under them, do you need to keep aeroplanes out, ...... All of these are variables. It's quite easy to generate numbers that vary by a factor of at least a thousand. Do we use direct space launch, which would be the cheapest for a few GW, or do we go and capture NEOs, which would be much cheaper for a few Terawatts? |
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"Robert Lee" wrote in message .. .
I was wondering if you worked out how high the price of oil has to be in order for an SPS project to be profitable. Over what timeframe? |
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"Robert Lee" wrote in message .. .
I was wondering if you worked out how high the price of oil has to be in order for an SPS project to be profitable. Good question, because the price of oil is artificially low right now, even at $40/barrel. First, could somebody please compute a "realistic" price for oil, which includes the following factors: - cost of military to assure access to oil supplies - economic cost of vast balance of trade deficit If we generalize to all fossil fuels, including coal as well as oil, then there are other hidden costs: - cost of Mercury pollution to seafood - future cost of introducing emission controls for Mercury, Sulphur et al (presently blocked by the polluters) - healthcare cost and reduced life expectancy due to particulate air pollution and chemical air pollution - future cost of proposed CO2 remediation systems (e.g. underground CO2 storage and intercontinental network of pipelines) - future collateral cost of global warming Those are some of the biggies. I have never seen anybody present a holistic per barrel cost for oil. It is difficult for SPS to compete against the present phony price structure of fossil fuels whose prices are kept artificially low, and real costs hidden. |
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